The Who

[TheWho]

What he means to say is that there were 16 homicides in TBS during that time period. Simple type-o

I put it here so I could find it


pssssst.  ask Bob if he can produce just one name....... of the 16... they dont exist.

[RobertBruce]

Jerry McLaurin

There's one. So that brings us to 3 deaths in TBS's so far. Cindy would rather we didnt mention them, but the rest of us have a bit more respect for the dead.

[TheWho]

Jerry McLaurin

There's one. So that brings us to 3 deaths in TBS's so far. Cindy would rather we didnt mention them, but the rest of us have a bit more respect for the dead.

We havent found 1 yet....  where is the link for this?

[TheWho]

Sorry Bob,   You havent produced one name that meets the parameters....keep looking... remember to compare the time frame, if it was a TBS, and if it was a homicide or suicide.

I have reviewed every one of your entries and you failed to research them first, we didnt find a single match yet

[RobertBruce]

Awwww Cindy, but they do. Tell me why you think poor Jerry doesnt count? Along with of course Candace Newmaker and Sabrina Day?

[RobertBruce]

We havent found 1 yet.... where is the link for this?

Cindy youve already seen the link.

[TheWho]

Awwww Cindy, but they do. Tell me why you think poor Jerry doesnt count? Along with of course Candace Newmaker and Sabrina Day?

For one:  This occured at a private home!


http://tinyurl.com/2ksh58

[Nihilanthic]

V.Shapiro response:

My compliments go to the Academy at Swift River for having such successful program graduates as determined by the measures used in this study. Hopefully the center will be able to address some of the problem areas as indicated by the BASC scales, and will use my research as a starting point for many other outcome evaluations. These should include studies after longer follow up intervals, and a study to clarify whether family relations are in fact as good as the families report, or as problematic as the BASC implies. The implications of this research, however, extend well beyond the scope of ASR?s treatment program. I recommend that other residential treatment centers for adolescents also secure positive aftercare arrangements for their students and gradually allow students to test the values learned during treatment in the real world prior to a final discharge. My findings contradict the idea that making fundamental changes during late adolescence is nearly impossible (Loeber, 1991) and also dispel the myth that long-term treatment is detrimental to normal development. The most important finding of this study is that residential treatment for troubled adolescents has the potential to be extremely effective.

The findings of a STUDENT that says long term treatment is detremental and that you can't make fundamental changes?

Ok, sure, assuming you buy that....

In her own words she says it has POTENTIAL, but no proof that it is.

So why even say it?

[TheWho]

Bob, look at it this way.  If it was your goal to keep me busy running around looking up the false data you are feeding me... then you won !!!!  You managed to waste hours !!
You can go to sleep tonight feeling like a winner !!!!

We know that is important to you.......

[RobertBruce]

For one: This occured at a private home!

Cindy Cindy Cindy, calm down. I know you have to have your way but this nothing for you to get so upset over, you don't give a shit about these kids anyway. Dry your eyes and blow your nose and relax, then when you can use your big boy voice we can continue this conversation like grown ups.

In the meantime recognize the fact that one using wikipedia is not the most credible source but two even if the information is accurate this woman was hired from a theraputic institute for children. No way around that Cindy, it makes zero difference where the kid died, it was done under the supervision of a theraputic (unlicesned) nurse from a theraputic institute. Or do you agree with Sue Scheff that if a kid dies at the hospital as a result from injuries obtained a TBS the respondsibility is no longer that of the TBS?

Let us know Cindy.

[RobertBruce]

Bob, look at it this way.  If it was your goal to keep me busy running around looking up the false data you are feeding me... then you won !!!!  You managed to waste hours !!
You can go to sleep tonight feeling like a winner !!!!

We know that is important to you.......

Oh I go to sleep every night knowing I'm a winner Cindy, maybe someday you can know what that feels like. Highlighting your idiocy and ruining that credibility with parents you so desperatly crave, well that's just a bonus.

[Nihilanthic]

Cindy does not know how stupid he sounds.

So let him continue!

[TheWho]

For one: This occured at a private home!

Cindy Cindy Cindy, calm down. I know you have to have your way but this nothing for you to get so upset over, you don't give a shit about these kids anyway. Dry your eyes and blow your nose and relax, then when you can use your big boy voice we can continue this conversation like grown ups.

In the meantime recognize the fact that one using wikipedia is not the most credible source but two even if the information is accurate this woman was hired from a theraputic institute for children. No way around that Cindy, it makes zero difference where the kid died, it was done under the supervision of a theraputic (unlicesned) nurse from a theraputic institute. Or do you agree with Sue Scheff that if a kid dies at the hospital as a result from injuries obtained a TBS the respondsibility is no longer that of the TBS?

Let us know Cindy.

If the child is attending a TBS and is hurt their, transported to a hospital and dies of the injuries caused at the TBS then I would think it would be counted as a TBS data not a Public sector.

 In the case of this little girl who died after receiving Attachment therapy, she was never in a TBS.  She traveled to a nurses house for treatment.  She never attended a Therapeutic boarding school.

I do care about this child, Bob, they are all important, but for comparision purposes we need to weigh these the same way the NCES did.

I dont think the people going thru the data at NCES come across a senario of say a kid who was forced to run around a track by his coach and he dies of a heart attack and the NCES guy says "hey look at this one, the judge called it a natural death but I think we shuold change it to homicide because I think the coach was responsible!!"  They cant and dont do that, they go by the judges ruling everytime and that is what we need to do.

[RobertBruce]

If the child is attending a TBS and is hurt their, transported to a hospital and dies of the injuries caused at the TBS then I would think it would be counted as a TBS data not a Public sector.

But its not Cindy thats the problem. These places self regulate and they sweep these things under the rug.

In the case of this little girl who died after receiving Attachment therapy, she was never in a TBS. She traveled to a nurses house for treatment. She never attended a Therapeutic boarding school.

Once again Cindy no one ever said she was. Tell me though what would you term what she was in? Afterall her parents contacted a theraputic institute and paid money to receive services from them. The girl was to be locked in for ten days and recieve therapy. What would you call it Cindy?

I do care about this child, Bob,

Obviously not.

they are all important

so long as they pay.

but for comparision purposes we need to weigh these the same way the NCES did.

and again you do not know how NCES weighed these deaths, thus you cannot comment on them.

I dont think the people going thru the data at NCES come across a senario of say a kid who was forced to run around a track by his coach and he dies of a heart attack and the NCES guy says "hey look at this one, the judge called it a natural death but I think we shuold change it to homicide because I think the coach was responsible!!"

Show me a situation similar to this in recent memory. Then we can address it. Also youre still ingnoring that most of the time the people respondsible for the deaths in the TBS's are never brought before a criminal trial. Since thats the case how can the judge ever rule on the matter?

They cant and dont do that, they go by the judges ruling everytime and that is what we need to do.

Again judges are seldom involved in the TBS cases at least on the criminal side. Don't you find it odd that of all the many cases over all the years of all the deaths there are so seldom criminal charges brought to bear on deaths that occur in TBS's. Doesn't that seem amiss to you or are you far to brainwashed?

[TheWho]

Again judges are seldom involved in the TBS cases at least on the criminal side. Don't you find it odd that of all the many cases over all the years of all the deaths there are so seldom criminal charges brought to bear on deaths that occur in TBS's. Doesn't that seem amiss to you or are you far to brainwashed?

Look, the data is taken from the criminal justice system reports.  If they are deemed, by the justice system, as Homicides or suicides (in this case) they are added, thats what the NCES does.

If no criminal charges are brought up after a kid has been killed in the public sector it doesnt show up either, in order to do this your way we would have to stand over the shoulder of every NCES person and second guess their decision.

When gathering information one needs to rely on the source and keep it standard throughout, in this case the justice systems records.