The Who

[Troll Control]

It takes extrordinary measures to show the extrordinary lengths to which The Who will go to cover up the obvious fact that he's a liar.  I gave him days of ample opportunity to quote a source or admit he had none.  You see the result.



Pure, unadulterated, absolute evidence to show that The Who makes up "data" to appear as if he knows something about the subject matter, which he obviously does not.



BTW, what's wrong with holding The Who accountable?  Why are you mad at me?  he's the one responsible for this event.  He could have been a man about it and just admitted it, but he's a worm, not a man.

historical perspective of the who just making up data, all the way from page 8 of this thread.  been at it a while, huh? :rofl:

[Troll Control]

On 2006-06-26 10:59:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


"The Who today:

"I just don?t think anyone can state how many professionals in the world agree with you, DJ. It is an impossible task, let it go. There is no way to support it, I don?t believe any one can."

The Who at the beginning of his little lying spree:

Posted: 2006-06-22 14:54:00  





"You had approx 130 people sign the petition well lets say 150 to give you the best edge. There are probably 10,000 professionals in the U.S. (I know you compared your position to the whole world, but I dont have time nor the inclination to humor you). So you have 1.5 % of the professionals sign the paper. So if you had 1.5 % ( that agree with you) that leaves 98.5% that don?t. I would call that an over whelming majority."

Ooops!  Just a little more lying in response to your other lies :lol:





YOU ARE PATHETIC.








_________________


"Compassion is the basis of morality."





-Arnold Schopenhauer

Still waiting for you to explain your complete reversal of your position.

made up this data too, who?  10,000 mental health professionals in the us?  98.5% of these people support programs?  man, you sure do make up a lot of figures!

[hanzomon4]

In 1999 37,456 kids were killed by their teachers in public school.

In thirty years of operation not a single kid has ever been harmed in a TBS.

FACT

Please tell me you're joking The Short List

[Oz girl]

::troll::  ::troll::

[Troll Control]

I think that's just a little mockery of Whooter.  No troll is that obvious.  Except maybe Whooter himself... :wink:

[hanzomon4]

Ok, cause I was about to say............

[TheWho]

There has been considerable criticism on the data table that we have been building and others who believe we should expand it to include all deaths, which we are attempting to do.

The criticism is directed at the accuracy the table brings.  I would like to defend the table by saying it has been built year by year and posted here with visibility for all to add their input, as anyone who has been reading along can testify.  I have asked for anyone to point out if they believe a data point is inaccurate or if they have any input to add.  I have sited my resources for each category at the bottom of the table.  If anyone believes I have omitted anyone please speak up and provide the info so it can be correctly added and I will update the table.
I encourage criticism, but constructive criticism will benefit us all as we can work together to complete this and expand.

[TheWho]

There was a suggestion made to expand this data to include all deaths, so I have found the CDC site which carries this information but the last publish date I can find is 1996.  Does anyone know if more current data exists which is categorized by age groups?


July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides  and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides  (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open, 72 sources reviewed, mostly emails and news articles)*
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July 1, 2004 thru June 2005  

The data from the NCES is incomplete at this time.  They are reporting an increase in suicide rates (at school) of over 100% from the previous year, but this is still in line with normal fluctuations from year to year and is below the 2002-2003 year levels.

Outside a TBS:   Data not posted as of 2/20/2007
 Inside a TBS    Data not posted as of 2/20/2007

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s

[RobertBruce]

There has been considerable criticism on the data table that we have been building and others who believe we should expand it to include all deaths, which we are attempting to do.

The criticism is directed at the accuracy the table brings.  I would like to defend the table by saying it has been built year by year and posted here with visibility for all to add their input, as anyone who has been reading along can testify.  I have asked for anyone to point out if they believe a data point is inaccurate or if they have any input to add.  I have sited my resources for each category at the bottom of the table.  If anyone believes I have omitted anyone please speak up and provide the info so it can be correctly added and I will update the table.
I encourage criticism, but constructive criticism will benefit us all as we can work together to complete this and expand.

Cindy I'm suprised, the words "work together" aren't two things you would normally stick together. Let's see how well you do.

I've given you numerous examples of deaths throughout the PTS. Youve discounted almost all of them. I would be willing to set them aside for the moment and look at them seperately if you could simply give me a reason as to why you believe they should be. A reason other than "we discussed it at a secret meeting" that of course no one attended.

[TheWho]

I have gone thru each person you gave me Bob and they did not fit the parameters, if I was in error I will admit it and place the name...I can explain each one to you if you like.  We are looking at Therapuetic boarding schools.  If there is a name that you feel fits this category then lets add it.... no one more than me wants this to be accurate.

[Troll Control]

PLEASE stop asking WHO questions; or he/she/it will never go away. Who gives a rat's ass what this person answers? It's lies and makes no sense.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

true.

[Anonymous]

Why is everyone so mean to The Who? He's got a right to his opinions, doesn't he?

[RobertBruce]

I have gone thru each person you gave me Bob and they did not fit the parameters,

I understand that Cindy, what you fail to understand is that the only person involved in creating these parameters was you. No one else had any input, yet you expect us all to abide by your rules.

It doesnt work that way.

We are looking at Therapuetic boarding schools

No right now you are looking at Theraputic boarding schools. So far youve been so unwilling to establish parameters with anyone else that people are simply tuning out what you have to say on the matter. I'm only discussing it  with you now because you expressed interest in working together. I'm curious to see how willing to do that you really are. My money at this point is betting that you can't handle it.

[TheWho]

I have gone thru each person you gave me Bob and they did not fit the parameters,

I understand that Cindy, what you fail to understand is that the only person involved in creating these parameters was you. No one else had any input, yet you expect us all to abide by your rules.

It doesnt work that way.

We are looking at Therapuetic boarding schools

No right now you are looking at Theraputic boarding schools. So far youve been so unwilling to establish parameters with anyone else that people are simply tuning out what you have to say on the matter. I'm only discussing it  with you now because you expressed interest in working together. I'm curious to see how willing to do that you really are. My money at this point is betting that you can't handle it.

I have always just been looking at TBS's, Bob.  I have been taking a look at the safety of TBS's vs the public sector.  After this we can move on to Wilderness or Bootcamps if that suits everyone.  I would eventually like to cover the entire industry so we have a complete picture.

[Troll Control]

Why is everyone so mean to The Who? He's got a right to his opinions, doesn't he?

Yes, but he states that his opinions are facts, which people object to pretty strongly.  Go back and read this thread.  He makes up "data" and yammers on about it for 20 pages, gets proven wrong over and over, then changes his original premises and the cycle starts over.  He's worn out quite a few people at this point.