The Who

[TheWho]

No, it's Borat Obama.

Ha,Ha,Ha,...thats funny !!

:rofl:  :rofl:

I think I'll use this as a band name!
Borat Obama... I like it!

You should find a good avatar for him.

[Ganja]

Borat or Obama?

[TheWho]

Borat or Obama?

Obama's face wearing Borats bathing suit or carrying his suitcase....Ha,Ha,.

[Deborah]

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)

No you're not. You (ya'll?) have no idea what you're doing. If you had any inkling, you'd be using data from the CDC. NCES data, if accurate is only for deaths during school hours.
You're wasting people's time and Ginger's bandwidth with your ignorant shinanigans. Wish she'd delete all the flooding (multiple postings ad naseum of the same information).

[TheWho]

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)

No you're not. You (ya'll?) have no idea what you're doing. If you had any inkling, you'd be using data from the CDC. NCES data, if accurate is only for deaths during school hours.
You're wasting people's time and Ginger's bandwidth with your ignorant shinanigans. Wish she'd delete all the flooding (multiple postings ad naseum of the same information).

You should read it, Deborah, the data is for at school and away from school (CDC data).  I will add a note indicating the data comes from CDC also and provide a link for those who are interested.

Source:
Data on homicides and suicides of youth ages 5-18 at school and total school-associated violent deaths are from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 1992?2005 School-Associated Violent Deaths Surveillance Study (SAVD), partially funded by the U.S. Department of Education, Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools, previously unpublished tabulation (May 2006); data on total suicides of youth ages 5-18 are from the CDC, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System Fatal (WISQARS(tm) Fatal) 1999-2003, retrieved July 2006 from http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars; and data on total homicides of youth ages 5-18 for the 1992?93 through 2003?04 school years are from the Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) collected by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and tabulated by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, preliminary data (July 2006).

[RobertBruce]

Cindy there are still a number of questions floating around out there that so far youve been to scared to answer.

Any chance youre feeling a little braver today?

[TheWho]

Cindy there are still a number of questions floating around out there that so far youve been to scared to answer.

Any chance youre feeling a little braver today?

Sure, I never pass on an honest question,  there have been a ton of posts lately, go ahead....

[TheWho]

Deborah, no need to be so hostile!!  If you want clarification on the data just ask me or read the links I provide.  I added the CDC note so it will better clarify the sources of the data.
I do thank you for pointing it out, it seems you dont work well in a group situation.  I have asked for peoples input and am willing to help if you want to expand into post TBS reporting as you mentioned, but y0u need to understand that collecting data can be a tedious and ever evolving task and updates are to be expected.  If you see anything else that may assist in clarifying the data, please let me know

Here take a look at this and see if it better clarifies the sources:

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present to date
:
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s


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God Dammit, you've got to be kind!
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.  "God Bless You Mr. Rosewater:"

[RobertBruce]

Sure, I never pass on an honest question, there have been a ton of posts lately, go ahead....

Are you lying or just being delusional again? These questions have been up for days.


1. If these kids were not killed by staff members how did they die?

2. If you had a child in your care and he died in the same manner as some of these other kids would you likely be charged with anything?

3. Do you find it odd that of all the deaths that occur in the private theraputic sector charges are seldom brought?

4. If someone was hurt or killed in your factory would you deal with in the same manner these places deal with the deaths that occur in their premises?

5. Who is the "we" and "us" you continue to refer to in your postings?

6.Since you claim that public schools don't have staff members who runs them?

7. What have you done specifically that has helped these kids in a direct way?

[Ganja]

1. If these kids were not killed by staff members how did they die?

2. If you had a child in your care and he died in the same manner as some of these other kids would you likely be charged with anything?

3. Do you find it odd that of all the deaths that occur in the private theraputic sector charges are seldom brought?

4. If someone was hurt or killed in your factory would you deal with in the same manner these places deal with the deaths that occur in their premises?

5. Who is the "we" and "us" you continue to refer to in your postings?

6.Since you claim that public schools don't have staff members who runs them?

7. What have you done specifically that has helped these kids in a direct way?

1. Maybe they died of boredom.

2. Probably.

3. I don't find this odd at all, so long as the right ppl are greased.

4. Hell no, I'd give them a pair of cement shoes.

5. Maybe he's referring to Daltrey & Townsend.

6. Corrupt bureaucrats.

7. Turned the kid on to some WEED.

[TheWho]

I almost went with Ganjas answers but decided to take a shot:

1. If these kids were not killed by staff members how did they die?

I guess if they were not killed by staff members it must have been someone else.

2. If you had a child in your care and he died in the same manner as some of these other kids would you likely be charged with anything?

In some cases, yes and others no, I am not really set up to watch kids.  There are many different scenarios

3. Do you find it odd that of all the deaths that occur in the private theraputic sector charges are seldom brought?

No,  the public sector may see the same thing, but I really don?t know.  I would have to look at each case and I am not an expert.

4. If someone was hurt or killed in your factory would you deal with in the same manner these places deal with the deaths that occur in their premises?

Probably follow what ever procedures are in place.  If we had in-house personnel we would utilize them first and then call in the authorities (911) if it was beyond what we could handle

5. Who is the "we" and "us" you continue to refer to in your postings?

A group of concerned parents, I cant really give names?.

6.Since you claim that public schools don't have staff members who runs them?

Principle, principles staff, admins, teachers, counselors etc.  I would consider them staff.  If I said otherwise I correct it here.

7. What have you done specifically that has helped these kids in a direct way?

Well to name a few:
I have donated to local causes which help kids directly and indirectly.
I have worked with kids directly to get them help.
I have worked with parents in my area and on fornits to get kids headed in the right direction.
I am working on collecting data which will hopefully expose the areas which are harmful and areas which are not harmful to kids.

[RobertBruce]

I guess if they were not killed by staff members it must have been someone else.

Who then? And why werent they brought up on charges?

In some cases, yes and others no, I am not really set up to watch kids. There are many different scenarios

Such as? What would be one such scenario in which you would be brought up on charges?

No, the public sector may see the same thing, but I really don?t know. I would have to look at each case and I am not an expert.

Fine. Lets look at the kid who was sat upon by the 300lbs asst. counselor at Eckert. Should he have been brought up on charges?

Probably follow what ever procedures are in place. If we had in-house personnel we would utilize them first and then call in the authorities (911) if it was beyond what we could handle

I didnt ask you how you would handle it I asked you if you would handle it in the same manner as they do.

A group of concerned parents, I cant really give names?.

Concerned about what? Are they posters here on fornits? If so why dont they come to your defense? If not why are you posting the information on here babbeling on when no one buys what youre selling? Wouldnt it be easier if you simply did the research on your own and then presented it to these "concerned parents" so you can reinforce your agenda? All of which could easily be done off of fornits. Not that it matters I personally dont believe you, and I dont think many others will either.

Principle, principles staff, admins, teachers, counselors etc. I would consider them staff. If I said otherwise I correct it here.

Fair enough.

I have donated to local causes which help kids directly and indirectly.

Most people have, that has nothing to do however with these kids.

I have worked with kids directly to get them help.

Again so have most people, this again has nothing to do with these kids.

I have worked with parents in my area and on fornits to get kids headed in the right direction.

In what you perceive to be the right direction you mean. No garruntee that it is the right direction by any means.

I am working on collecting data which will hopefully expose the areas which are harmful and areas which are not harmful to kids.

Well youre doing a terrible job of it I've got to tell you. All youve managed to do so far is dismiss the deaths of kids that dont go along with your agenda.

[TheWho]

Who then? And why werent they brought up on charges?

Not sure, I don?t know these people personally or followed their case.

Such as? What would be one such scenario in which you would be brought up on charges?

If I shot someone while they were tied up and submitted a video of it to the police.

Fine. Lets look at the kid who was sat upon by the 300lbs asst. counselor at Eckert. Should he have been brought up on charges?

No, I think the nutritionist should be charged for feeding the asst. too much?.remember this is America.

I didnt ask you how you would handle it I asked you if you would handle it in the same manner as they do.

Of course not, I am not the owner of the school or have the same resources they do.  I would handle it differently.  If I had a school I would utilize the established procedures set up for that instance if none existed I would go with what I knew to be best for the child.

Concerned about what? Are they posters here on fornits? If so why dont they come to your defense? If not why are you posting the information on here babbeling on when no one buys what youre selling? Wouldnt it be easier if you simply did the research on your own and then presented it to these "concerned parents" so you can reinforce your agenda? All of which could easily be done off of fornits. Not that it matters I personally dont believe you, and I dont think many others will either.

The Kids
Some
Some do
Because I think I can help some of these kids
No, I think others could benefit too
That?s okay

Most people have, that has nothing to do however with these kids.

I disagree

Again so have most people, this again has nothing to do with these kids.

Yes it does

In what you perceive to be the right direction you mean. No garruntee that it is the right direction by any means.

Agreed, no guarantees either way.

Well youre doing a terrible job of it I've got to tell you. All youve managed to do so far is dismiss the deaths of kids that dont go along with your agenda.

Well, considering the source, I take that as a pat on the back.  Thanks.  What you call dismiss, I call not fitting the parameters.  Eventually they will be counted when we get to their category.

[Ganja]

No, I think the nutritionist should be charged for feeding the asst. too much?.remember this is America.

 :rofl:

[Deborah]

You should read it, Deborah, the data is for at school and away from school (CDC data).  I will add a note indicating the data comes from CDC also and provide a link for those who are interested.

I have read it, and there is a discrepency between the numbers provided by NCES and CDC.
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
See what you get.