The Who

[RobertBruce]

Well, we are not in the analysis phase yet but it appears the presence of suicides in the TBS environment has abated.  Not sure of any assignment of root cause.  But either the schools have become more effective at helping these children or they are doing a better job of screening for signs of clinical depression and other high risk factors which can lead to suicide.
This is not a conclusion but merely an observation.


So, I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present to date
:
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s

Here are the actual numbers which Cindy claims to be using as his source.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindica ... le_1.1.asp


Somehow they don't match.

[Ganja]

No, it's Borat Obama.

Ha,Ha,Ha,...thats funny !!

 :rofl:  :rofl:

[RobertBruce]

Aha?come on DJ?tell us how you really feel?data is only as good as the source ?. I have collected mine from NCES and court decisions and links and data received here on fornits?..I am sorry the data doesn?t support your opinions.  They are only hard numbers at this point.  I am trying to be as clear as possible......I am not claiming the data to be representing the entire industry, just TBS's:

Here take a look what I have so far:

I am attempting to change the layout (so bear with me) to facilitate easier comparison from year to year and clarify where the source data comes from.  Here is a first cut.

Remember this applies only to TBS?s (not group homes and hospitals etc.)

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present
:
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,140 Homicides and 1,928 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,059 Homicides and 1,890 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,053 Homicides and 1,777 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  (No data accumulated as of today)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s

And somehow it doesnt match up with his earlier numbers either.

What happened Cindy?

[TheWho]

Bob you are a mess, you are all over the map.  Focus on one thing at a time and try to calm down.... I have explained this over and over to you.  You need to look at the NCES latest reports.  This is why your data is screwed up and unreliable.  We love your effort but your data just isnt reliable, please try to keep up:

The NCES Revised their numbers in 2006......
Here check out the latest link:

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindica ... e_01_1.asp

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present to date
:
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s

[RobertBruce]

Oh Cindy I've known all along?..I simply don't care??.There's that "we" again?..Oh so you've heard about google then Cindy?......Who exactly is "we" Cindy?........ There's that spin again Cindy??And if they are seeking all the pertinant information concerning options for their troubled teens than your information is useless!......

Bob, first of all calm down, you can use any data you want? use an asterisk or don?t use one, it doesn?t matter to any of us.  Your data is great!!  We love it!!  It adds meaning to our lives and we want you to continue and start working on the next year.  Parents are utilizing it to make decisions?it is obvious that it is helping kids all over.   I have received calls asking when you will be coming out with your next revision!!!

Oh wow. As a means of attempting to spin things even further you've gone so far as to edit my statements? Cindy I take each statement you make and respond to them one at a time, shooting down each and every one. You on the other hand apparently have to sort through multiple posts and mesh them into some sort of disjointed ramblings, all because youre obsessed with winning an argument you lost long ago. Give it up Cindy.

Let me give you an example of how a rational adult who isnt obsessed with winning or being right would address your post.

Bob, first of all calm down, you can use any data you want?

I know Cindy, but I unlike you prefer to stick with the truth. I'm also very calm, although I'm not sure you are. You may want to take another break. Maybe a little longer this time.

use an asterisk or don?t use one, it doesn?t matter to any of us.

Who is "us"?

Your data is great!!

I would use the term honest but you may call it whatever you like, I give you permission.

We love it!!

Who is "we"?

It adds meaning to our lives and we want you to continue and start working on the next year.

Again who is "we"? Also why would this add value to your lives since it goes against your agenda and pay check?

Parents are utilizing it to make decisions?it is obvious that it is helping kids all over.  

I know. Something you've never done.

I have received calls asking when you will be coming out with your next revision!

My next revision? Cindy I dont need to revise the data, I get it right the first time. Something you apparently judging by the above posts are having some trouble with. I am curious though, do these phone calls come from real people or imagined? If they are real how did these random people get your phone number?

[Anonymous]

So you're saying that they revived five hundred kids per year (and every kid in the TBS murdered by staff, apparently)?

NecroTech syringes must be cheap these days.

[Deborah]

A program that takes a kid into the woods to make him suffer is hardly different from a program taht keeps a kid locked up to make him suffer. It all boils down to "you are a bad kid, you will suffer until we say otherwise, do what we say or you'll suffer even more".

Its bullshit, its since been debunked, and even if it had not, the burden of proof would be on the programs to prove it works and justify their being held incommunicado and being "treated" involuntarily!

Niles,
Take a deep breath and head to the Aspen forum. SUWS is now being marketed as treatment for Aspergers.

[RobertBruce]

Bob you are a mess, you are all over the map.

Am I? I'm just responding to whatever nonsense you through out there so I guess that would suggest by your logic that it is in fact you who are the mess. Clean yourself up.

Focus on one thing at a time

I'm focused on whatever nonsense you put out there, if you cant keep up then I suggest you slow down.

and try to calm down

Cindy Ive explained to you I am calm. Or havent you noticed that it is you on the defensive?

.... I have explained this over and over to you.

Yes youve babbled on about many things Cindy, but since you change your mind so much I've given up hope on you remaining consistent.

I want you to look at the NCES latest reports.

Ive looked at them Cindy, many many times. Apparently closer than you have.

This is why your data is screwed up and unreliable.

My data has included all the deaths related to the discussion and has remained consistent since I began collecting it. Yours on the other hand changes at the drop of a hat apparently. Not something people will consider reliable at all Cindy.

We love your effort but your data just isnt reliable

There's that "we" again Cindy. When are you going to accept that people in your head just don't count. As to my data well again you've been told that your opinion doesnt matter. My data appears reliable to the people who need it. I'm wondering though did a different personality take over since your last post?

I mean here the last person controlling Cindy had this to say:

Parents are utilizing it to make decisions?it is obvious that it is helping kids all over.

Now its a different tune, is this just another example of your inconsistency or should I start calling you Cybil instead of Cindy?

please try to keep up:

Cindy I was done with the first two sets days ago. Youre the only one holding up the class because youre having to go back and redo everything.

The NCES Revised their numbers in 2006......
Here check out the latest link:

So the NCES changed all their numbers? Which ones are accurate?

[TheWho]

So you're saying that they revived five hundred kids per year (and every kid in the TBS murdered by staff, apparently)?

NecroTech syringes must be cheap these days.

No not cheap at all, lactose, although, it was announced this morning that Necro Tech buildings had some of their NecroNet terminals activated, and now it is possible to manufacture revive syringes there??? even if they are dirt cheap it would be a waste because Most of them had brain rot and it would be a waste of syringe anyway.

[TheWho]

So the NCES changed all their numbers? Which ones are accurate?

Ha,Ha,Ha... They are all accurate and I am not going to give you the answer this time (Do your homework).  Read the web site, review the data.  If you are using it to support your assumptions you should understand it intimately before utilizing it...otherwise you are not helping anyone and just fooling yourself...
Let me know when you figure it out...

[RobertBruce]

Got it.

The information is unreliable.

No need for you to cite it further.

[Nihilanthic]

A program that takes a kid into the woods to make him suffer is hardly different from a program taht keeps a kid locked up to make him suffer. It all boils down to "you are a bad kid, you will suffer until we say otherwise, do what we say or you'll suffer even more".

Its bullshit, its since been debunked, and even if it had not, the burden of proof would be on the programs to prove it works and justify their being held incommunicado and being "treated" involuntarily!

Niles,
Take a deep breath and head to the Aspen forum. SUWS is now being marketed as treatment for Aspergers.

What. The. FUCK.

I need to go build a catapult to launch actual PhD's on the SUWS "campus" or something... naturally packed with paracutes of course.

SUWS is in NC, right? I should call up a old friend of mine, DOCTOR Neeley...

[Troll Control]

.300WinMag.  Nice rifle.  I own one myself.  Best used at a distance though, Gookie - slow rate of fire and a small magazine...

[Troll Control]

Bob, these are the latest numbers.  Try to keep up!

From the period between when TheWho's mother whelped him and today:

Outside TheWho's head:-----There was one voice

Inside TheWho's head:-----There were several voices

Of the "Inside" Voices:    One told TheWho to eat lead paint, One told TheWho to refer to ASR, Two told TheWho "Nobody's better than you!" and an undefined cacophony of several told TheWho to wear a diaper and watch "Mommy Dearest" seven times a day.***

***Dataset still open

So, what we have so far is one seriously demented psych patient rambling on about data.

[Ganja]

No, it's Borat Obama.

Ha,Ha,Ha,...thats funny !!

:rofl:  :rofl:

I think I'll use this as a band name!
Borat Obama... I like it!