Thus far you have again and again attempted to connect completely unrelated facts to prove some bizzare conclusions.
Thus far I have connected statements made by you to prove some apparent points and highlight the glaringly obvious contradictions within your standpoint. The most obvious one - and the one you completely failed to address ? being?: Hitting children does not teach them anything. Contrary to what you persistently claim, slapping children is not going to solve any of societies problems.
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse. You further claim that because I was slapped in the mouth and spanked on the ass I gravitated towards negative situations and therefore perpetuated a cycle of violence when I worked at a TBS.
Ok now why should I respond to such utter tripe? Even a friggin moron could figure out that the two events are completely unrelated.
Ok first off... Did you even read my post? I never 'claimed' that the two WERE related; I merely suggested it as a possibility. Suggestions are not claims. Why you've attacked the one thing that I clearly and explicitly said was purely a POSSIBILITY, and not something I claimed to be fact, is beyond me. Like I already said? "I?m not saying you?re wrong on this...?
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse.
Where did I say this? Please point it out to me. The only times I even mentioned the word abuse was in reference to drug users (abusers) and the abuse that occurs within the programs. Don't go jumping to conclusions. I don't consider a slap on the wrist 'abuse'. However, even if I did, you are still missing the point. Which is:
HITTING CHILDREN DOES NOT TEACH THEM ANYTHING!
Nor does it prevent crucifixes being dunked in piss or children being sent to terror camps. What you clearly fail to understand is that many of the children within these programs had just the type of stern-iron-fist-parenting that you advocate. Yet, you claim that this type of upbringing is what?s needed to keep them out of the programs. Do you see how obtuse this appears? I find it amazing that someone with such primitive ideas even knows how to use a computer. Healing societies ills ? or at least curbing teenage problems - does not simply come down to parents slapping their children when they are out of line. This IS your stance on the matter, am I correct?...
....That's the spirit.. Didn't say break him in two, but damn.. society has gotten so consquence free from all the absurd p.c. stupidity no wonder so many kids go wrong.
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids
And...
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
I'll say it again? Many of the children within these camps were raised using the parenting methods that you think will keep them out.
Second you claim that kids who beat the hell out of each other on the playground is exactly like kids who beat the hell out of each other in a program. First of all you are so wrong its not even funny. Another wild claim strung together to prop up your dead ass stupid arguement. Kids in a public school are not subjected to group consquences hence they do not have the same motivations as kids in a program. Kids in a program perform a group beat down not out of respect for their counselors, but more out of self preservation. They feel out of desperation that if they do not resort to physical violence on a peer then they will suffer for his actions via group consquences. Kids at school are motivated by entirely different reasons
Wrong! First of all, I was saying that a public school where kids are permitted to ?take the law into their own hands? in order to silence ?troublemakers? is essentially no different than what occurs in a program. In other words: a school where children are given sovereignty to beat another child en masse as a ?consequence? for breaking the rules or misbehaving is in no way dissimilar to the way programs operate. Yet this type of public school is, after all, what you seem to be yearning for?
?When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
??OH no.. poor jonny got beat up on the play ground at school for mouthing off to his teachers. Gee... no shit Jonny.. stop mouthing off then
If you support this kind of system within public education, I can hardly see why you would be so against the programs. Promoting and advocating that it?s acceptable for children to beat up kids who ?mouth off? and misbehave will only result in program-esque public schools. I was not, as you stupidly assumed, claiming that kids in public schools are not subject to group consequences. However if you want to argue that?
?You are wrong here also. Kids in public schools are subject to group consequences. It?s far more concentrated and severe in programs but it occurs in public schools nonetheless. It happens quite frequently and is usually the product of a penalty known as ?collective punishment?. Teachers use it regularly. When one child misbehaves the whole class is punished as a collective. Sometimes the ?innocent? children will harass, taunt and abuse the troublesome ?guilty? child in a misguided, or perhaps subconscious, attempt to prevent future penalties.
Anyway, this is all besides the point? Let?s get back to the main discussion which you completely avoided. It goes like this: Spanking/slapping/hitting children DOES NOT prevent them from misbehaving. It DOES NOT teach them anything. IT DOES NOTHING! The funny thing of course, is that I have used an individual (you) who claims that physical punishment prevents problems to prove that it doesn't. Ah, the irony... Anyway here is the stuff you completely ignored...
According to you, hitting children is beneficial and can ?teach? them ?lessons?. For example: Hit children if they cuss so that they shall no longer cuss. Here is what you said...
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
First of all in never slapped a kid in my life. If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry, but never have I slapped or spanked kids in a program. .
?Fuckwad, dipshit, limp dicks, Fuck no!, fuck, fucked up, etc etc?
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
Here are the obvious conclusions that most rational, logical, sane people will make using the above comments...
So, beating children teaches them to behave and become better adults? According to the above quote you yourself were beaten as a child for cussing, were you not? Now, correct me if I?m wrong, but you also condone the use of violence in order to teach children ?lessons?. Now you can re-read your posts and tell me if you really learnt your lesson about cussing? I suggest you go at once to your mother and ask for another beating! Your lesson was clearly, plainly and obviously not learnt.
*Good parenting, according to you, is what?s required to end the programs.
*Good parenting, as far as you?re concerned, involves beating children if they misbehave to teach them a lesson.
*You had, by your definition, ?good parents? since they beat you when you cussed.
*Your parents? beatings taught you nothing as you continue to cuss.
*Therefore you?ve totally contradicted your own rule!!
*...Thus proving that beating children to teach them a 'lesson' doesn't do a damn thing!
There was also this little nugget of wisdom that you neglected to rebut...
Firstly, you said this...
My so called "cycle of violence" is more of this Al Gore Douche Bag liberalism in living color.
...and I replied with the blatantly obvious...
You are wrong. The cycle of violence is evident in your very own words. You were beaten as a child for cussing and you choose to beat your own children should they ever cuss. However, being beaten clearly never taught you that cussing is bad as you continue to cuss. Go ahead, beat your children when they cuss and then take a look at yourself to see where it?ll get them. Nobody learns a single thing! The only thing you?re left with IS a cycle of violence. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also, from what I can gather you seem to have complete disdain for drug dealers, correct?
If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs
And yet you completely avoided my thoughts on the inherent contradictions within your stance on drug dealers and the program detainees...
?So you do know what happened to him? What did he deserve? You must keep in mind that although you profess to dislike the programs for what they do to detainees, many of the kids within them are drug dealers, drug users and drug abusers. These programs exist for kids purportedly involved with drugs. Yet you claim drug dealers deserve worse than ?being disappeared?. Unless ?disappear? does in fact mean that he got a trip to France your statement implies that they should be in the programs being abused and beaten and perhaps - if you?re really lucky ? ?disappeared?. The implication with this is that the programs must be good; as they deal with the supposed drug dealers you hate so much. Again, there is a massive hole in your reasoning
And...
Or conversely, that the drug dealer you so despised was, like you, ?thrust into a desperate situation at the time? when he felt he ?had no other options?? What separates your mistakes from his? Why should you be so deserving of special treatment? Does your compassion only extend to yourself?
Please respond to everything I say next time. It saves me having to re-post everything and saves everyone else from re-reading it. I have responded to your statements so why do you circumvent mine?
