I can't imagine any parent sending their kid to a program af

[Troll Control]

I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.

Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."  

Strictly avoiding checking facts?  Can't "admit a mistake"?  LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...

[Anonymous]

Why don't you niggers take this outside? We don't want any trouble here..

[Troll Control]

:lol:   Now THAT would turn into a bloody mess.

[teachback]

::bwahaha::  ::bangin:: ::rocker::  :skull:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :wave:

[AtomicAnt]

...We do lack enough clinical studies, I agree, but until such time we need to rely and judge the performance of the schools based on their output and alumni.

DJ, spend a day reading on the ?Straight forum? and then compare that to some of the more progressive TBS?s today, fences are coming down, no restraints, kids are allowed to grow at their own pace, family involvement, field trips, post stay plans and follow-up. Progress can be measured in ?orders of magnitude?. But as you said ?Are they clinically effective??, We will have to wait for the studies to be completed to get that answer. In the mean time it is important to keep talking to the kids who have attended as a way to keep our finger on the pulse. Fornits is a source for some of this feed back.

I don't think you can judge a program based on its output. I have said this over and over. The efficacy thing sucks. Outward behavior does not indicate inward mental health.

I judge the programs solely by the methods used. If the methods are unethical, they should be stopped. It's that simple.

As far these 'progressive TBSs' are concerned, I would say they have only honed their methods to mask the inherent inhumane treatment they are doling out. If they exist at all that is.

Tough love is just a flawed concept from the start. These kids need the love part, but these programs emphasize the tough part. They got it backwards. A child that feels loved and valued by his/her parents and community won't become a 'troubled teen' in the first place. A 'troubled teen' doesn't deserve to be broken, nor is it necessary.

[Anonymous]

Your MUTHAH can't judge a program based on its output, muthafukka.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-06-07 08:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.



Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."  

Strictly avoiding checking facts?  Can't "admit a mistake"?  LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...
"

I guess we're not going to see any retractions.  The Who must believe that it's fine to impose a double-standard on others, which is typical of a program parent.  These type of people NEVER admit to doing or being wrong, it's always someone else's fault or the other party DESERVED IT.  Sheesh.  Just goes to show that for people like that the end justifies the means.

[TheWho]

On 2006-06-08 06:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-06-07 08:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


"

I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.





Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."  

Strictly avoiding checking facts?  Can't "admit a mistake"?  LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...

"

I guess we're not going to see any retractions.  The Who must believe that it's fine to impose a double-standard on others, which is typical of a program parent.  These type of people NEVER admit to doing or being wrong, it's always someone else's fault or the other party DESERVED IT.  Sheesh.  Just goes to show that for people like that the end justifies the means."

When your right, your right.  So now lets log-in DJ, this is silly.

[Anonymous]

Damn: quit taking up space:
This is like a 4 year old saying,
Did so...did not..did so..did not..did so.
If you don't have anything to say WHO, then STF up for ONCE!

[Anonymous]

On 2006-06-08 06:53:00, TheWho wrote:

When your right, your right.  So now lets log-in DJ, this is silly."

Yeah why don't you two go get a room so you can "log in" to each other? :rofl:

[TheWho]

On 2006-06-08 07:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Damn: quit taking up space:

This is like a 4 year old saying,

Did so...did not..did so..did not..did so.

If you don't have anything to say WHO, then STF up for ONCE!"

I agree and thats my point, its off topic, silly and immature.  Lets get back to the subject which was "Would parents send a kid to a program after reading fornits?"

[Anonymous]

On 2006-06-08 07:35:00, TheWho wrote:


I agree and thats my point, its off topic, silly and immature.  Lets get back to the subject which was "Would parents send a kid to a program after reading fornits?""

Hey, I'm all for that.   But can't you at least this once just admit that you were wrong in accusing DJ of making the anon posts?

[Anonymous]

OK.
Of course a parent would send a kid to a program after reading fornits.
Why? Because any parent who says they are considering placing their child in a program is  attacked with a vengeance on fornits, shown no respect, called vile names. This parent is already in emotional turmoil, and is seeking help. When attacked, rather than being offered help- the parent hears none of the good advice offered.
Then these desperate parents turn elsewhere, and the people at "elsewhere" pretend to be on this parent's side, pretend to care, pretend to understand. The child ends up in a program.

[Troll Control]

Wow, Who.  Admitting doing wrong and then doing the same wrong thing in the same breath.  What an improvement  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Yes, Fornits gets nasty.  It's the only unmoderated, uncensored site dealing with the teen help industry.  There are many others on both sides that have moderated forums.  Why can't there be room for a single completely open forum?  I understand very well that a lot of parents get turned off by some of the shit posted here but many others choose to ignore the crap and do dig for the important stuff.  Many don't ever post but do spend time reading.  I can think of at least 5 kids off the top of my head that have been pulled as a direct result of parents reading here AND other places.  I still keep in contact with two of them.  I'm finding that the ones who truly seek out the truth don't just take what someone on Fornits or any other site at face value.  They read, follow links, go to other sites, research on their own and very often find out that these 'deranged, disgruntled, druggy ass kids' are spot on with their descriptions of their treatment.....no matter how crudely the message is written.