Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

"...given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best..."  Joe Gauld 2002

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt that written after the Dubinsky case even?

[Anonymous]

"...given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best..."  Joe Gauld 2002

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt that written after the Dubinsky case even?

Yes. Would you defer to Hyde's judgment if they told you that the sexual harrassment of your child is a growth issue?

[Anonymous]

"...given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best..."  Joe Gauld 2002

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt that written after the Dubinsky case even?

    You would have to be a pretty shit parent to have this to be true.

"We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best"

  If that is true you should consider sterilization.

[Ursus]

From: "Isn't Hyde Ever Wrong?"

Since society is presently very ignorant about this powerful truth about human growth, the human cocoons we are constructing around our children are sloppy and porous, and often compromise a child's best growth:

• Society does not realize the depth of a child's animal instincts of self-gratification and subjective fears and desires, and thus doesn't fully help the child transcend them;
• Families don't recognize their incredibly interwoven nature and how much family dynamics can compromise a child's best growth;
• Societal and family ignorance have created a huge and powerful youth culture that reaffirms children's animal instincts and resists their human transcendence.

Hyde generally deals with kids who have been unusually influenced by those three factors, and, unfortunately, at a late point in their adolescent gestation period. So to counter this, Hyde creates a very intensive growth cocoon focused on character development that seeks to help students: 1) transcend their animal instincts; 2) combat negative family dynamics, and 3) create a new youth culture committed to each student's best.

Since kids--and their parents--have been far more immersed in this counter growth culture than has Hyde, Hyde can be far more objective about how to best address the true growth needs of kids.[/i]

It sounds almost as if he blames the parents, and the kids, but not Hyde... Hyde is too objective to conscientiously allow events like the Thurrell and Dubinsky transgressions to occur.  That is really the fault of "a child's animal instincts of self-gratification and subjective fears and desires" along with the failure of parents, perhaps due to ignorance, to curb said animal instincts.

[Ursus]

I know it sounds incredible to say this, but I really do think Hyde -- through the lens of Gauld's vision -- assigns blame to the students for what happened to them.

I know that this was clearly the case in the Thurrell incident.  They were very angry with SF, far angrier than they were with Thurrell.

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg saying in sch mtg: the TWO of them compromised the schools integrity.

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg saying in sch mtg: the TWO of them compromised the schools integrity.

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg saying in sch mtg: the TWO of them compromised the schools integrity.

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

  How about a 30 YO teacher sells crack to his student whom he is entrusted to care for and provide moral leadership to?

[Anonymous]

Society does not realize the depth of a child's animal instincts of self-gratification and subjective fears and desires, and thus doesn't fully help the child transcend them;

  Who helped Larry, Bob and Joe transcend them?  They did not do a good job.  Bow Wow ?

Standing on the corner with the lowdown blues
A great big hole in the bottom of my shoes
Honey let me be your salty dog

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

Look it here Sal, I know you
Run down stocking and a wore out shoe
Honey let me be your salty dog

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

Down in the wildwood sitting on a log
Finger on the trigger and an eye on the hog
Honey let me be your salty dog

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

Well I Pulled the trigger and the gun set go
The shot gun over in Mexico
Honey let me be your salty dog

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

Salty down now

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

Let me be your salty dog
Or I won't be your little man at all
Honey let me be your salty dog

 Transend that!

[Ursus]

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

A 17yo using crack...  Did the kid ever use crack before?  Is the kid a habitual crack user?  Did the kid even want to buy the crack, or was the kid talked into it?  Did the kid even know exactly what crack is?  

A lot of considerations do factor in, from a moral standpoint, I guess.  From a legal standpoint it is much simpler, usually.  There are different standards for juveniles than for "adults" for good reason.

Is it different for sex?  I would say so, personally.  You're talking about elements of a person's body that are intrinsically linked to their identity and concept of self-worth.  Shattering that generally has more long term repercussions than a few instances of illegal drug experimentation in one's youth does.

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg saying in sch mtg: the TWO of them compromised the schools integrity.

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

How about a 30 YO teacher sells crack to his student whom he is entrusted to care for and provide moral leadership to?

Odious. But you evade the question.

[Anonymous]

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

A 17yo using crack...  Did the kid ever use crack before?  Is the kid a habitual crack user?  Did the kid even want to buy the crack, or was the kid talked into it?  Did the kid even know exactly what crack is?  

A lot of considerations do factor in, from a moral standpoint, I guess.  From a legal standpoint it is much simply, usually.  There are different standards for juveniles than for "adults" for good reason.

Is it different for sex?  I would say so, personally.  You're talking about elements of a person's body that are intrinsically linked to their identity and concept of self-worth.  Shattering that generally has more long term repercussions than a few instances of illegal drug experimentation in one's youth does.

Then SF is waived of all responsibility. As Joe said, she is simply a maggot unable to transcend animal instincts.

[Ursus]

Was sex consensual?  How do you define "consensual?"

Did the kid ever have sex before?  no
Did the kid habitually engage in sex?  no
Did the kid even want to have sex?  no
...or was the kid talked into it?  possibly
Did the kid even know exactly what having sex entails? probably not.  I don't think she had even seen a penis in person before.

A lot of considerations do factor in, from a moral standpoint, I guess. From a legal standpoint it is much simpler, usually. There are different standards for juveniles than for "adults" for good reason.

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg saying in sch mtg: the TWO of them compromised the schools integrity.

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

How about a 30 YO teacher sells crack to his student whom he is entrusted to care for and provide moral leadership to?

Odious. But you evade the question.

 17 smokes crack:  illegal  ever where in the US
  17 year old has consensual sex: illegal in some jurisdictions in the US legal in others  legal in Me
30 YO has consensual sex with 17 YO: illegal in Me for the 30 YO, legal in Iowa, legal in France

[Anonymous]

17 smokes crack: illegal ever where in the US
17 year old has consensual sex: illegal in some jurisdictions in the US legal in others legal in Me
30 YO has consensual sex with 17 YO: illegal in Me for the 30 YO, legal in Iowa, legal in France

Deffine consensual sex.  R U saying its ok to rape a student?!!!!