Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Why the differences in approach between the Thurrell/Dubinsky affairs and the Coach M  naked body-fat-testing debacle?  Coach M was pretty well pilloried by the whole school in front of his family, in one of the most excruciating seminars I can remember.

[Jesus H Christ]

Why the differences in approach between the Thurrell/Dubinsky affairs and the Coach M  naked body-fat-testing debacle?  Coach M was pretty well pilloried by the whole school in front of his family, in one of the most excruciating seminars I can remember.

  In individual cases it easy to manipulate the victims via shame/blame.  It is typical for victims to internalize and blame themselves. It would have been hard to blame all the females in the school for doing what they were told.  
The witch trail was a tried and true tradition, one at which the puppet master knew how to work the crowd.  A community catharsis was provided. The community moved on without the prying eyes of the outside world.  Perhaps if Congressman Ryan had come Koolaide would have been served.  Could you imagine if that hit the papers?  Wait what am I saying?  Sumner's wife owned the Maine papers and a couple of TV stations.
 It is interesting that the person who blew the whistle and refused had a reality reference that was different then the student body in general.  I would guess that there was some doublethink among the Inner Party else the refuser would have committed a doublebad thoughtcrime and would have been sent to joycamp.


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[Anonymous]

In individual cases it easy to manipulate the victims via shame/blame. It is typical for victims to internalize and blame themselves. It would have been hard to blame all the females in the school for doing what they were told.
The witch trail was a tried and true tradition, one at which the puppet master knew how to work the crowd. A community catharsis was provided. The community moved on without the prying eyes of the outside world. Perhaps if Congressman Ryan had come Koolaide would have been served. Could you imagine if that hit the papers? Wait what am I saying? Sumner's wife owned the Maine papers and a couple of TV stations.

God, that is so true!  You are brilliant!  And just like the scene of Mr W..  Always wondered about Sumner's wife, didnt seem his type..

[Jesus H Christ]

In individual cases it easy to manipulate the victims via shame/blame. It is typical for victims to internalize and blame themselves. It would have been hard to blame all the females in the school for doing what they were told.
The witch trail was a tried and true tradition, one at which the puppet master knew how to work the crowd. A community catharsis was provided. The community moved on without the prying eyes of the outside world. Perhaps if Congressman Ryan had come Koolaide would have been served. Could you imagine if that hit the papers? Wait what am I saying? Sumner's wife owned the Maine papers and a couple of TV stations.

God, that is so true!  You are brilliant!  And just like the scene of Mr W..  Always wondered about Sumner's wife, didn't seem his type..

  You mean she was a woman?  Just kidding.  I liked Sumner gay or not.  I have thing for tweed jackets with leather elbow patches.

[Anonymous]

Why the differences in approach between the Thurrell/Dubinsky affairs and the Coach M  naked body-fat-testing debacle?  Coach M was pretty well pilloried by the whole school in front of his family, in one of the most excruciating seminars I can remember.

  In individual cases it easy to manipulate the victims via shame/blame.  It is typical for victims to internalize and blame themselves. It would have been hard to blame all the females in the school for doing what they were told.  
The witch trail was a tried and true tradition, one at which the puppet master knew how to work the crowd.  A community catharsis was provided. The community moved on without the prying eyes of the outside world.  Perhaps if Congressman Ryan had come Koolaide would have been served.  Could you imagine if that hit the papers?  Wait what am I saying?  Sumner's wife owned the Maine papers and a couple of TV stations.
 It is interesting that the person who blew the whistle and refused had a reality reference that was different then the student body in general.  I would guess that there was some doublethink among the Inner Party else the refuser would have committed a doublebad thoughtcrime and would have been sent to joycamp.


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Cute . . . but perhaps "the refuser" was the only one who had Mom and Dad close at hand.  If parents weren't kept at a distance, Hyde kids might not be so easily manipulated.

[Jesus H Christ]

One of the steps that is required for a set up like Hyde to work is the sense of isolation and dependence.  Notice I did not say cult.  Since she grew up there her situation was unique.  Distance has not been an impediment to communication for some time.  Why didn't any of these girls call their mothers?  Because the authority of the Hyde community interposes in between parent and child.  I learned that first hand at my interview.  Every one knew it.  "Do not question your doctor," the man said.  If the doctor says get naked then get naked. In this case the doctor and the parent were one and the same.  Short Circuit.

[Jesus H Christ]

Hey girls,

  The next time hyde staff makes a pass at you tell him to lay down on the floor.   Then do this:

http://www.bigmattress.com/images/How%2 ... t%20in.mpg

[Jesus H Christ]

Hey girls,

  The next time hyde staff makes a pass at you tell him to lay down on the floor.   Then do this:

http://www.bigmattress.com/images/How%2 ... t%20in.mpg

   This has always been my advice to my daughter.  She has done it too!  I am very proud of my girl.  She does not put up with any shit from guys.

[Anonymous]

One of the steps that is required for a set up like Hyde to work is the sense of isolation and dependence. The authority of the Hyde community interposes in between parent and child.  I learned that first hand at my interview.  Every one knew it.  "Do not question your doctor," the man said.

$$$ E pluribus unum. In Gauld we trust. $$$

[Ursus]

One of the steps that is required for a set up like Hyde to work is the sense of isolation and dependence... Why didn't any of these girls call their mothers?  Because the authority of the Hyde community interposes in between parent and child.  I learned that first hand at my interview.  Every one knew it.  "Do not question your doctor," the man said.  If the doctor says get naked then get naked.

Someone mentioned some time ago that Hyde was trying to get a two-year commitment from parents at the time...  I suppose it is harder to "get" Hyde when you are just there for a year.  Notice how none of these instances happened when the girls "just arrived."

See also Gauld's piece "Isn't Hyde Ever Wrong?" (click for link).

I'm not trying to suggest any nefarious pre-meditation on the part of Hyde School.  I am sure that having to deal with the aftermath of the Thurrell and Dubinsky transgressions cost everyone plenty a headache.  But I doubt that Thurrell and Dubinsky would have been able to get away with as much as they did, had the kids' self-protective instincts been intact.  

When I was there, we were definitely taught that faculty were the next thing closest to God, or Gauld, as it were.  Although it seems ludicrous to contemplate at this stage in our lives, back then, it wasn't such a far stretch.  If a kid is already very much of a mind to respect authority to begin with, to undergo that extra bit of indoctrination that Hyde heaps on makes for a circumstance quite ripe for exploitation by those with less than noble intent.

(This does not address, of course, Hyde's responsibility to take action once circumstances came to light, but that is for another post...)

[Anonymous]

One of the steps that is required for a set up like Hyde to work is the sense of isolation and dependence... Why didn't any of these girls call their mothers?  Because the authority of the Hyde community interposes in between parent and child.  I learned that first hand at my interview.  Every one knew it.  "Do not question your doctor," the man said.  If the doctor says get naked then get naked.

Someone mentioned some time ago that Hyde was trying to get a two-year commitment from parents at the time...  I suppose it is harder to "get" Hyde when you are just there for a year.  Notice how none of these instances happened when the girls "just arrived."

See also Gauld's piece "Isn't Hyde Ever Wrong?" (click for link).

I'm not trying to suggest any nefarious pre-meditation on the part of Hyde School.  I am sure that having to deal with the aftermath of the Thurrell and Dubinsky transgressions cost everyone plenty a headache.  But I doubt that Thurrell and Dubinsky would have been able to get away with as much as they did, had the kids' self-protective instincts been intact.  

When I was there, we were definitely taught that faculty were the next thing closest to God, or Gauld, as it were.  Although it seems ludicrous to contemplate at this stage in our lives, back then, it wasn't such a far stretch.  If a kid is already very much of a mind to respect authority to begin with, to undergo that extra bit of indoctrination that Hyde heaps on makes for a circumstance quite ripe for exploitation by those with less than noble intent.

(This does not address, of course, Hyde's responsibility to take action once circumstances came to light, but that is for another post...)

Judging from a post yesterday of a girl who was there with Dubinsky, the girls' self-protective instincts were intact, but the school's protective instincts were not. Don't underestimate students, or overestimate Hyde. The fondled girl addressed her complaints to the school; when nothing was done, she sensibly addressed them to her parents. The parents sued, and it's even possible that Hyde has learned a lesson about the consequences of ignoring student complaints of sexual harrassment on the part of faculty. But perhaps now I am overestimating them.

[Ursus]

You may possibly be right about the Dubinsky case.  I think, from what I have heard, that Hyde received several complaints about him before things got as bad as they did.  And the parents, at least the mother, did get very involved in the case.

This does not appear to be the case for what happened to Ms F.  Her parents were but barely involved in the school from what I remember.

However, there had been at least one or two complaints about Thurrell prior to the incident in question.

Don't forget, that this was another time, and people (including most but not all kids) are probably a bit more savvy about having their self-protective instincts overridden than they were then.  I still consider it a great danger to try to supplant parental interests with that of the school's.

[Ursus]

The fondled girl addressed her complaints to the school; when nothing was done, she sensibly addressed them to her parents.

Note that the school did not notify the parents of the girl's complaints when she brought it to the school's attention.

[Anonymous]

I still consider it a great danger to try to supplant parental interests with that of the school's.

Pity the child with mentally ill parents and Hyde School. S/he's caught between a rock and a hard place.

[Ursus]

I still consider it a great danger to try to supplant parental interests with that of the school's.

Pity the child with mentally ill parents and Hyde School. S/he's caught between a rock and a hard place.

No Shit.  But I think just being duped by all the slick PR and avowed ideals is plenty sufficient; one doesn't need to be mentally ill to be taken in by them.  And what of parents who are from another country and/or culture?  Try wrapping your imagination around that one.