Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

No I get the context. What I mean is I don't know what his motivations are. I think he may be concerned about you. Brothers Keeper!

MMMmmm... right.  I am just overwhelmed by the caring and concern dripping from his words...

BTW, Emil (aka a-MEAL), I did check out the link you provided and was unable to determine the 3 methods of bear hunting mentioned in the article; that degree of detail seemed outside the focus of the Fish and Game crowd.  Outside of that, no mention was made of "baiting."  Personally, I rather abhor baiting; seems kind of unfair to the bear.  Probably shouldn't worry me, though, as them be black bears, and I am an ecru polar bear!  Hmmph!
 ::seg::  ::seg::  ::haloslips::

IT is great for the hunter:   dump a big pile of apples laced with bacon dripping, climb up in your tree stand and wait.
BANG
Bear Steak!   By jezum crow that some good eatin'  Lot better then raccoon.

Emil, from Egypt Me, Nightrate

The second way is like in Robinson Crusoe: get the bear to chase you up a tree, jump down, and shoot it as it climbs back down.

The third method of bear-baiting is like in the Sot-weed Factor: get the bear to chase you up a tree, jump down, and impale it up the ass with a long pointed stake as it climbs back down.

A concerned and caring friend

[Ursus]

Thanks for all the friendly and explicit detail, but I'd really appreciate it if you re-focused that kind of energy elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for all the friendly and explicit detail, but I'd really appreciate it if you re-focused that kind of energy elsewhere.

 Kind of hard to bear?

[Anonymous]

I do think there is a distinction between hunting for food and hunting for sport.

 By the Jesus it's both up here in Egypt.  It's like goin' down to the legion on saturday night.  Theres sport to it and there's a practical side too.  If you can get a woman to come home with ya she moight do some cookin for ya.

Emil Of Egypt Maine

[Anonymous]

 Peter L*** called me into the basement one late spring day.  He gave me an over coat and said "put it on."  IT was small for me but I put it on.  I said 'So?"   He said "put your hands in the pockets"  There were no pockets. and there were holes in the liners.  I took the coat off and looked at name in the label.  It belonged to this kid that was famous in the dorm as a chronic masturbator.  

So here is this kid that is going through the school year walking around in public masturbating, Nothing was done for this kid.  How many kids went through that place and never got the kind of attention they needed to deal with their problems?
Who on the staff had the skill to scratch the surface of a behavioral problem like that?

That kid was unnoteworthy in every way except for his problem. During one America's Spirit rehearsal he locked himself in a toilet stall shortly before his act and I was sent in to coax him out. In no time at all there were a crowd of us standing shoulder to shoulder in the john negotiating for his self-release. Mortified, and perhaps fearful of school-wide attention, he emerged trying to cover a large wet stain on his crotch. This botched scenario was followed up by a dorm meeting in which everyone including the faculty resident talked about masturbating. The meeting was frank and sincere but totally failed of its ostensible purpose of curing the kid of his problem.

[Ursus]

That kid was unnoteworthy in every way except for his problem. During one America's Spirit rehearsal he locked himself in a toilet stall shortly before his act and I was sent in to coax him out. In no time at all there were a crowd of us standing shoulder to shoulder in the john negotiating for his self-release. Mortified, and perhaps fearful of school-wide attention, he emerged trying to cover a large wet stain on his crotch. This botched scenario was followed up by a dorm meeting in which everyone including the faculty resident talked about masturbating. The meeting was frank and sincere but totally failed of its ostensible purpose of curing the kid of his problem.

I was unaware of this; it sounds like it happened shortly after my time, although I did participate in America's Spirit in its early stages and I do vaguely remember Peter L., so maybe I just had my head up in the usual clouds...

I can't imagine a meeting like that doing anything but making it worse. The walk back to that kid's room must have seemed the longest of his life, with everyone staring at him behind seemingly averted eyes...

I don't really know a whole lot about obsessive masturbation, but it would seem to me that the "problem" is usually not the masturbation, but something else.  And focusing on the sexual release aspect of it isn't going to do a damn thing about the real root of the matter.  What focusing on sexual behaviors of teenagers by singling them out in public does do is traumatize or stigmatize them in ways far more damaging than the original said sin.

[Anonymous]

 Peter L*** called me into the basement one late spring day.  He gave me an over coat and said "put it on."  IT was small for me but I put it on.  I said 'So?"   He said "put your hands in the pockets"  There were no pockets. and there were holes in the liners.  I took the coat off and looked at name in the label.  It belonged to this kid that was famous in the dorm as a chronic masturbator.  

So here is this kid that is going through the school year walking around in public masturbating, Nothing was done for this kid.  How many kids went through that place and never got the kind of attention they needed to deal with their problems?
Who on the staff had the skill to scratch the surface of a behavioral problem like that?

That kid was unnoteworthy in every way except for his problem. During one America's Spirit rehearsal he locked himself in a toilet stall shortly before his act and I was sent in to coax him out. In no time at all there were a crowd of us standing shoulder to shoulder in the john negotiating for his self-release. Mortified, and perhaps fearful of school-wide attention, he emerged trying to cover a large wet stain on his crotch. This botched scenario was followed up by a dorm meeting in which everyone including the faculty resident talked about masturbating. The meeting was frank and sincere but totally failed of its ostensible purpose of curing the kid of his problem.

  "Unnoteworthy?"   I think he had a very interesting sense of humor.  I am sure having a bunch of kids embarrass him was much better then having some one with a clinical back ground  form some plan to deal with his behaviour.  Yes have Jack or Rodger smash his glasses that will help.

[Anonymous]

I can't imagine a meeting like that doing anything but making it worse.

If I were that kid, I'd probably take comfort in the false sense of equality and sympathy created by that seminar. But as I said, the seminar was ineffectual in solving his problem. Based on two years of empirical observation, I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him. My hypothesis is that those who really believe in Hyde and give themselves over to it are those who get torn apart after graduation.

[Ursus]

I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him.

And the ultimate wielder of that power is the seminar "moderator" and host, Hyde.

[Anonymous]

If I were that kid, I'd probably take comfort in the false sense of equality and sympathy created by that seminar. But as I said, the seminar was ineffectual in solving his problem. Based on two years of empirical observation, I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him. My hypothesis is that those who really believe in Hyde and give themselves over to it are those who get torn apart after graduation.

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

[Anonymous]

If I were that kid, I'd probably take comfort in the false sense of equality and sympathy created by that seminar. But as I said, the seminar was ineffectual in solving his problem. Based on two years of empirical observation, I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him. My hypothesis is that those who really believe in Hyde and give themselves over to it are those who get torn apart after graduation.

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

A description of love?  Perhaps in a David Lynch movie.

[Anonymous]

If I were that kid, I'd probably take comfort in the false sense of equality and sympathy created by that seminar. But as I said, the seminar was ineffectual in solving his problem. Based on two years of empirical observation, I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him. My hypothesis is that those who really believe in Hyde and give themselves over to it are those who get torn apart after graduation.

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

A description of love?  Perhaps in a David Lynch movie.

Are you comparing Bath to Twin Peaks: those you trust the most are those you should trust the least and those who will hurt you the most? Ask Laura Palmer and Annie.

Seriously, isn't love about telling all? If you've been there, you know it puts you in the clouds.

[Ursus]

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

Yeah, but... I think if the object of your affection sent you out on work crew too many times, and made you compose essays on your sins, and humiliated you in public to the point of feeling suicidal, you'd wise up pretty quick that she doesn't exactly have your best interests in mind.  Not so at Hyde (speedy realization).

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Excerpted From:
Pathology as "Personal Growth":
A Participant-Observation Study of Lifespring Training
Psychiatry, Vol 46, August 1983
By Janice Haaken, Ph.D. and Richard Adams, Ph.D.

The interpretive framework adopted here is supported by several psychoanalytic premises concerning group behavior. In discussing the relationship between ego functions and group behavior, Freud noted that "intensification of the affects and the inhibition of the intellect" characterized "primitive groups" (1959 p20). Primitive groups promote the blurring of ego boundaries and psychological merger with the group leader, who serves as an ego ideal for group members. By projecting ego and superego functions, e.g. the regulation and control of impulses, into the leader, members may express infantile aggressive and libidinal drives normally held in constraint (Kernberg 1980 p212). This psychological state may be described as regressive in that it is reminiscent of the experience of early childhood--the oceanic experience of oneness with the all-good, protective parent who mediates between the child's immediate needs and the external world.

Regression, however, does not inevitably imply pathology. From a psychoanalytic perspective, many healthy and adaptive forms of human activity, such as falling in love (Grunberger 1979 pp5-6) and artistic achievement (Kris 1964 p28), require the capacity to regress. When falling in love, one must be able to experience temporary states of psychological merger with another person and artistic achievement often involves access to impulses and irrational of primitive fantasies. In addition, the ability to work in groups or to engage in collective forms of social action requires the capacity to merge with the group ideals and group interests. The critical distinction in determining pathology in group members concerns the extent of regression--i.e., the dominance of primitive fantasies or impulses and the level of ego control maintained. By ego control, we mean the capacity for reality testing, for mobilizing adaptive defenses, for distinguishing between internal and external events, and for bringing affective states under rational control.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/lifes ... ring4.html

[Anonymous]

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

Yeah, but... I think if the object of your affection sent you out on work crew too many times, and made you compose essays on your sins, and humiliated you in public to the point of feeling suicidal, you'd wise up pretty quick that she doesn't exactly have your best interests in mind.  Not so at Hyde (speedy realization).

-----------------------------

Excerpted From:
Pathology as "Personal Growth":
A Participant-Observation Study of Lifespring Training
Psychiatry, Vol 46, August 1983
By Janice Haaken, Ph.D. and Richard Adams, Ph.D.

The interpretive framework adopted here is supported by several psychoanalytic premises concerning group behavior. In discussing the relationship between ego functions and group behavior, Freud noted that "intensification of the affects and the inhibition of the intellect" characterized "primitive groups" (1959 p20). Primitive groups promote the blurring of ego boundaries and psychological merger with the group leader, who serves as an ego ideal for group members. By projecting ego and superego functions, e.g. the regulation and control of impulses, into the leader, members may express infantile aggressive and libidinal drives normally held in constraint (Kernberg 1980 p212). This psychological state may be described as regressive in that it is reminiscent of the experience of early childhood--the oceanic experience of oneness with the all-good, protective parent who mediates between the child's immediate needs and the external world.

Regression, however, does not inevitably imply pathology. From a psychoanalytic perspective, many healthy and adaptive forms of human activity, such as falling in love (Grunberger 1979 pp5-6) and artistic achievement (Kris 1964 p28), require the capacity to regress. When falling in love, one must be able to experience temporary states of psychological merger with another person and artistic achievement often involves access to impulses and irrational of primitive fantasies. In addition, the ability to work in groups or to engage in collective forms of social action requires the capacity to merge with the group ideals and group interests. The critical distinction in determining pathology in group members concerns the extent of regression--i.e., the dominance of primitive fantasies or impulses and the level of ego control maintained. By ego control, we mean the capacity for reality testing, for mobilizing adaptive defenses, for distinguishing between internal and external events, and for bringing affective states under rational control.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/lifes ... ring4.html

Those are my ideas. Why aren't these guys citing me?

Forget work crew and all that. Let the control be a willing subject, fed up with the past and ready for reform. You're saying, or at least your articles is, that if Hyde limited the extent of ego regression, then it could work.

[Anonymous]

If I were that kid, I'd probably take comfort in the false sense of equality and sympathy created by that seminar. But as I said, the seminar was ineffectual in solving his problem. Based on two years of empirical observation, I contend that those seminars do not solve anyone's problems. What seminars do achieve is the transfer of information from the individual to the group. And because that information is essentially one's selfhood, that information is power. When an individual relinquishes information to the group, in the form of public confession, he relinquishes a share of his power to the group. A seminar weakens an individual while, at the same time, it strengthens the group's hold on him. My hypothesis is that those who really believe in Hyde and give themselves over to it are those who get torn apart after graduation.

I'm not saying that this is a bad dynamic per se. Isn't it a description of love? Love is very empowering.

A description of love?  Perhaps in a David Lynch movie.

Are you comparing Bath to Twin Peaks: those you trust the most are those you should trust the least and those who will hurt you the most? Ask Laura Palmer and Annie.

Seriously, isn't love about telling all? If you've been there, you know it puts you in the clouds.

Actually I was thinking of Eraserhead or Blue Velvet.  
I don't know what Love is but I know what it isn't.  Love isn't exposing your inner self to a group.  I love my wife.  I don't tell her everything.  I love my kids, but I don't tell them how often I masturbate or what I think about when I do, for example.  They say Jesus loved us so he let him self get nailed to a tree.  I don't love any of you that much.  You all gonna have to die for your own sins if it is up to me.