Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

He didn't, Legg left. And left education for a long time.  I don't remember who stayed and for how long after.  Notably, though, many of the Gauld extended family (who are now staff, headmasters, etc.) were students at that time or shortly before.
L

[Ursus]

Personally I have no use for Gauld nor Legg.  They were both sadistic in their own peculiar and idiosyncratic ways.

It was an interesting impression that Lurker had regarding the financial aspects.  Certainly confirms the perception of many on Fornits of the Gauld family's real priorities with regards to educational ideals!

In my time, I am hard-pressed to remember any scholarship kids, although I believe they did take some during the summers.  Perhaps I was just not very "tuned in" to that aspect at the time.  Of course, the tuition was far less prohibitive then than it is now...

[Anonymous]

Ursus-
I forget when your time was.  When I was there, a fair number of kids (about 10%, I think, trending toward increasing #'s) came from recruiting programs in inner-city D.C., NYC and Boston.  Brought in some interesting kids. Plus, there were lots of faculty kids on scholarship.

L

[Ursus]

I remember a few kids from NYC in the summer, but few made it back for the regular year.  I think there was a lot of pressure on their families to come up with the cash from other sources than Hyde, and that wasn't always possible.  Whether or not Hyde gave them a scholarship depended a lot on their "attitude," and only bona fide converts qualified for that no matter how badly they might want to come for other reasons.

But I'm probably not the most accurate source to cite for that; as I mentioned earlier, I was a bit obtuse to that kind of info at the time.  And I must also say, the whole "Brother's Keeper" concept gave me the willies, so much so that it sorely dampened my friendships.  I figured I wouldn't need to say anything about anything I didn't know about, and that accentuated my innate shyness to an even greater degree than it had been to begin with.

Faculty kids always got scholarships and that was a most compelling reason to continue teaching there for certainly some of the faculty.  When the kid left, so did the parents.  Although I can remember one case in which it was not clear who left first, the parent or the kid!  Ha!

Email me or PM me about when I was there, the address is in my profile.

[Anonymous]

I remember a few kids from NYC in the summer, but few made it back for the regular year.  I think there was a lot of pressure on their families to come up with the cash from other sources than Hyde, and that wasn't always possible.  Whether or not Hyde gave them a scholarship depended a lot on their "attitude," and only bona fide converts qualified for that no matter how badly they might want to come for other reasons.

But I'm probably not the most accurate source to cite for that; as I mentioned earlier, I was a bit obtuse to that kind of info at the time.  And I must also say, the whole "Brother's Keeper" concept gave me the willies, so much so that it sorely dampened my friendships.  I figured I wouldn't need to say anything about anything I didn't know about, and that accentuated my innate shyness to an even greater degree than it had been to begin with.

Faculty kids always got scholarships and that was a most compelling reason to continue teaching there for certainly some of the faculty.  When the kid left, so did the parents.  Although I can remember one case in which it was not clear who left first, the parent or the kid!  Ha!

Email me or PM me about when I was there, the address is in my profile.

During my time at Hyde the "poster children," the ones who really bought into Hyde and were "on track" were often the faculty kids.  Rarely were the poster kids made up of the troubled teens that end up at Hyde because the parents ran out of options.  Hyde loved to parade the "on track" kids around as evidence of Hyde's wonderful effectiveness.  Thing is, Hyde didn't acknowledge that most of these kids didn't have major issues to begin with.  They were the cream of the crop.  Hyde didn't publicize the many disasters, the kids who melted down, ran away, got kicked out, were on 2-4 chronically, etc.  My impression is that Hyde was ill equipped to deal with truly troubled kids.  Cramming the attitude stuff down their throats seemed pretty naive to me, especially since many of these kids were coping with heavy psychiatric problems.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Lurker and kind Guest, for your votes of affirmation.  I am sure that if it wasn't the 30-year issue it would be something else.  Mike has a thirst for polemic that goes beyond any rational explanation, so I'm not even going to try.

What concerns me most about the pick-pick-picking is the undoubtedly chilling effect this particular issue might have on other posters and readers regarding their own experiences.  I've come across this same sentiment whilst trawling the archives here, the "get over it already" and the "there must be something wrong with you if you don't" mentality of some seemingly most robust psyches, and it simply smacks of petty intimidation.  Pretty similar, if you ask me, to the conformist mindset  I remember from Hyde.  And pretty sad, when you consider that we're really all in this together.

Yes, finding this Forum have been a gift.  A most life-affirming gift, at least for me.

I am not sure what is up with that.

[Ursus]

Thank you, Lurker and kind Guest, for your votes of affirmation.  I am sure that if it wasn't the 30-year issue it would be something else.  Mike has a thirst for polemic that goes beyond any rational explanation, so I'm not even going to try.

What concerns me most about the pick-pick-picking is the undoubtedly chilling effect this particular issue might have on other posters and readers regarding their own experiences.  I've come across this same sentiment whilst trawling the archives here, the "get over it already" and the "there must be something wrong with you if you don't" mentality of some seemingly most robust psyches, and it simply smacks of petty intimidation.  Pretty similar, if you ask me, to the conformist mindset  I remember from Hyde.  And pretty sad, when you consider that we're really all in this together.

Yes, finding this Forum have been a gift.  A most life-affirming gift, at least for me.

I am not sure what is up with that.

 :lol:  :lol:   While composing that during a lull, the discussion picked up and changed, so that when it was submitted, it appeared to be completely out of context!  You'll have to go back to earlier today to understand its context.  Entire exchange occurred today, but I think there were a few pages filled...

[Anonymous]

I remember a few kids from NYC in the summer, but few made it back for the regular year.  I think there was a lot of pressure on their families to come up with the cash from other sources than Hyde, and that wasn't always possible.  Whether or not Hyde gave them a scholarship depended a lot on their "attitude," and only bona fide converts qualified for that no matter how badly they might want to come for other reasons.

But I'm probably not the most accurate source to cite for that; as I mentioned earlier, I was a bit obtuse to that kind of info at the time.  And I must also say, the whole "Brother's Keeper" concept gave me the willies, so much so that it sorely dampened my friendships.  I figured I wouldn't need to say anything about anything I didn't know about, and that accentuated my innate shyness to an even greater degree than it had been to begin with.

Faculty kids always got scholarships and that was a most compelling reason to continue teaching there for certainly some of the faculty.  When the kid left, so did the parents.  Although I can remember one case in which it was not clear who left first, the parent or the kid!  Ha!

Email me or PM me about when I was there, the address is in my profile.

During my time at Hyde the "poster children," the ones who really bought into Hyde and were "on track" were often the faculty kids.  Rarely were the poster kids made up of the troubled teens that end up at Hyde because the parents ran out of options.  Hyde loved to parade the "on track" kids around as evidence of Hyde's wonderful effectiveness.  Thing is, Hyde didn't acknowledge that most of these kids didn't have major issues to begin with.  They were the cream of the crop.  Hyde didn't publicize the many disasters, the kids who melted down, ran away, got kicked out, were on 2-4 chronically, etc.  My impression is that Hyde was ill equipped to deal with truly troubled kids.  Cramming the attitude stuff down their throats seemed pretty naive to me, especially since many of these kids were coping with heavy psychiatric problems.

  My daughter got a pair of really nice track shorts out of the lost and found the other day.  It got me thinking about this kid that was there back in the day.
  Peter L*** called me into the basement one late spring day.  He gave me an over coat and said "put it on."  IT was small for me but I put it on.  I said 'So?"   He said "put your hands in the pockets"  There were no pockets. and there were holes in the liners.  I took the coat off and looked at name in the label.  It belonged to this kid that was famous in the dorm as a chronic masturbator.  

 So here is this kid that is going through the school year walking around in public masturbating, Nothing was done for this kid.  How many kids went through that place and never got the kind of attention they needed to deal with their problems?
Who on the staff had the skill to scratch the surface of a behavioral problem like that?

[Ursus]

My daughter got a pair of really nice track shorts out of the lost and found the other day. It got me thinking about this kid that was there back in the day.
Peter L*** called me into the basement one late spring day. He gave me an over coat and said "put it on." IT was small for me but I put it on. I said 'So?" He said "put your hands in the pockets" There were no pockets. and there were holes in the liners. I took the coat off and looked at name in the label. It belonged to this kid that was famous in the dorm as a chronic masturbator.

So here is this kid that is going through the school year walking around in public masturbating, Nothing was done for this kid. How many kids went through that place and never got the kind of attention they needed to deal with their problems?
Who on the staff had the skill to scratch the surface of a behavioral problem like that?

Were the staff aware of this kid's predilection?  I almost hope not, because the way they would have focused on it and made him "confess," would have only made it worse.  Certainly there was no one there who could have done anything but make life an even worse hell than it already was.

Was your friend Peter Love?

[Ursus]

During my time at Hyde the "poster children," the ones who really bought into Hyde and were "on track" were often the faculty kids. Rarely were the poster kids made up of the troubled teens that end up at Hyde because the parents ran out of options. Hyde loved to parade the "on track" kids around as evidence of Hyde's wonderful effectiveness. Thing is, Hyde didn't acknowledge that most of these kids didn't have major issues to begin with. They were the cream of the crop. Hyde didn't publicize the many disasters, the kids who melted down, ran away, got kicked out, were on 2-4 chronically, etc. My impression is that Hyde was ill equipped to deal with truly troubled kids. Cramming the attitude stuff down their throats seemed pretty naive to me, especially since many of these kids were coping with heavy psychiatric problems.

In my time, Gauld liked to say that the more troubled kids had "more potential."  I think the extreme difference between the before and after pictures gave him a bigger ego rush.  Of course, those kids that had the biggest such difference often went right back to the before picture once they had been out for awhile.  They didn't get the help they needed at Hyde, they had just changed their behavior in response to their environment.

[Anonymous]

My daughter got a pair of really nice track shorts out of the lost and found the other day. It got me thinking about this kid that was there back in the day.
Peter L*** called me into the basement one late spring day. He gave me an over coat and said "put it on." IT was small for me but I put it on. I said 'So?" He said "put your hands in the pockets" There were no pockets. and there were holes in the liners. I took the coat off and looked at name in the label. It belonged to this kid that was famous in the dorm as a chronic masturbator.

So here is this kid that is going through the school year walking around in public masturbating, Nothing was done for this kid. How many kids went through that place and never got the kind of attention they needed to deal with their problems?
Who on the staff had the skill to scratch the surface of a behavioral problem like that?

Were the staff aware of this kid's predilection?  I almost hope not, because the way they would have focused on it and made him "confess," would have only made it worse.  Certainly there was no one there who could have done anything but make life an even worse hell than it already was.

Was your friend Peter Love?

IT would be hard to believe they did not know about him.  Yes p e t e L o v e. Just try not to make innocent people googlabe.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Lurker and kind Guest, for your votes of affirmation.  I am sure that if it wasn't the 30-year issue it would be something else.  Mike has a thirst for polemic that goes beyond any rational explanation, so I'm not even going to try.

What concerns me most about the pick-pick-picking is the undoubtedly chilling effect this particular issue might have on other posters and readers regarding their own experiences.  I've come across this same sentiment whilst trawling the archives here, the "get over it already" and the "there must be something wrong with you if you don't" mentality of some seemingly most robust psyches, and it simply smacks of petty intimidation.  Pretty similar, if you ask me, to the conformist mindset  I remember from Hyde.  And pretty sad, when you consider that we're really all in this together.

Yes, finding this Forum have been a gift.  A most life-affirming gift, at least for me.

I am not sure what is up with that.

 :lol:  :lol:   While composing that during a lull, the discussion picked up and changed, so that when it was submitted, it appeared to be completely out of context!  You'll have to go back to earlier today to understand its context.  Entire exchange occurred today, but I think there were a few pages filled...

No I get the context.  What I mean is I don't know what his motivations are.  I think he may be concerned about you.  Brothers Keeper!

[Ursus]

No I get the context. What I mean is I don't know what his motivations are. I think he may be concerned about you. Brothers Keeper!

MMMmmm... right.  I am just overwhelmed by the caring and concern dripping from his words...

BTW, Emil (aka a-MEAL), I did check out the link you provided and was unable to determine the 3 methods of bear hunting mentioned in the article; that degree of detail seemed outside the focus of the Fish and Game crowd.  Outside of that, no mention was made of "baiting."  Personally, I rather abhor baiting; seems kind of unfair to the bear.  Probably shouldn't worry me, though, as them be black bears, and I am an ecru polar bear!  Hmmph!
 ::seg::  ::seg::  ::haloslips::

[Anonymous]

No I get the context. What I mean is I don't know what his motivations are. I think he may be concerned about you. Brothers Keeper!

MMMmmm... right.  I am just overwhelmed by the caring and concern dripping from his words...

BTW, Emil (aka a-MEAL), I did check out the link you provided and was unable to determine the 3 methods of bear hunting mentioned in the article; that degree of detail seemed outside the focus of the Fish and Game crowd.  Outside of that, no mention was made of "baiting."  Personally, I rather abhor baiting; seems kind of unfair to the bear.  Probably shouldn't worry me, though, as them be black bears, and I am an ecru polar bear!  Hmmph!
 ::seg::  ::seg::  ::haloslips::

IT is great for the hunter:   dump a big pile of apples laced with bacon dripping, climb up in your tree stand and wait.
BANG
Bear Steak!   By jezum crow that some good eatin'  Lot better then raccoon.

Emil, from Egypt Me, Nightrate

[Ursus]

I do think there is a distinction between hunting for food and hunting for sport.