The Politics of Advocacy.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-13 14:44:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Right then exactly what I thought. For the most part most of the organizations are not particularly goal driven.



By that I mean they have a uber long range vision with no specific set of short range goal.



Such As:



Specific Goal #1: Shut Down the Mr. Bubba Jones "We beatem good for you cheaply" Kid's Ranch. To effect this goal we will use grass roots advocacy, media attention, and local state and national political organizations to pass what appropriate legislations needed.





I see the general long term macroscopic thinking with none of the microscopic thinking on a short term basis needed to promote a gradual progressive change. Rather than trying to go for the all out kill, which some folks have been going after for decades with absolutely no success, why not specifically target a small facilitiy or attempt to get a specific piece of legislation passed?









and yeah Helena if you need the booze, red meat, and porno we can accomodate you somehow I am sure.

If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
http://lfb.com/?stocknumber=FF7485&code=10247' target='_new'>Thomas Jefferson

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Sounds a lot like what CAICA does. Best you create a mission statement so as not to be grilled as CAICA is, even though they appear to be making the most progress on the ground.

[Anonymous]

what pisses me off about caica on top of I Zhenders desperate self promotion and pettiness is her self promotion at the expense of progress like why the need for more petitions when already a petion been created?

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/endchildabuse/

when this one below already has (though small) 860 or so signatures, it's something. and yes, we all know petitions don't do much, but it doubly does near nothing when efforts conflict with the clear need to get the name IZ out there.

http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html


not to mention this legislation doesn't cover 1. regualted facilities or 2. boot camps run by the government, but she erroneously lists them on the side of the petition as if they do. And lists legitimate organizations as if she's affilitated.

It's just a confusing mess, confusing the issue, presented as if there's a level of compentency that doesn't exist which ends up harming progress in the long run because it makes as all look like imbeciles!

[katfish]

Incidentally, I started the second petition and I don't understand how duplicate efforts make any sense AT ALL.  

Regarding CAFETY... we don't have much laid out for people to work with as of yet, we're still in development, but if anyone has any input and/or feedback or wants to help out we'd appreciate it.

Thanks!  Kat

ps- thanks for the compliments TWG... you're a cutey too!!  And I have great admiration for your intellect and wit.   :nworthy:

And, the point made about the diff b/w  abuse at regulated facilities, boot camps and unreguatled faciliites and the role - or unrelated role- of EICA in those cases is a point I've been trying to extricate.  For some reason it hasn't stuck- but I do believe that misinformation is obviously not what we want to go for as advocates/avtivists, we will infact look like 'imbeciles.'  [ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-05-14 12:59 ]

[Anonymous]

not to mention this legislation doesn't cover 1. regualted facilities or 2. boot camps run by the government, but she erroneously lists them on the side of the petition as if they do.



It's just a confusing mess, confusing the issue, presented as if there's a level of compentency that doesn't exist which ends up harming progress in the long run because it makes as all look like imbeciles!

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Was wondering about that after reading on national youth rights forum, those subtle dfferences need to be understoond and made clear for effective advocacy.

[BuzzKill]

///Though on a serious note I have often wondered about a scholarship fund for kids who get kicked to the kerb by their hubba bubba parents after they are given the heave ho by whatever facility they come from.///

This has been talked about. I know at one point the folks at ISAC were thinking about a kind of rescue fund for the exit plan victims; and there was even some talk about the possibility of a scholarship fund.

It would be a very good thing to have a fund set aside to provide shelter and food and transportation to these kids who are dumped on the streets by the exit plans. We'd need to get the kid set up with a phone card to - so they could make phone calls, and hopefully contact family who would help.

We could inform the homeless shelters in the towns where they most often get dumped - maybe even get the local cops to help find them and tell them who to call for help - like a hot line for the exit plan victims.

Maybe get some local papers to run public service adds with the "exit plan victims" hotline number.

This is something the victims can help with - what did you do, where did you go - how could a message have best be gotten to you?

But its all just a dream. There simply isn't the funding.

Maybe if volunteers would put their name on a call list, to be contacted as the kids crop up - to help on a case by case basis? That would slow the process of getting help to the kid down - but maybe people would be more willing to do that?

[Deborah]

How might the program be required to give the kid contact numbers when they receive their exit plan?
Seems grossly abusive and neglegent (manipulative) to turn a program-dependent kid out on the street with pocket change and a bus ticket to an unknown city.
Hell, even prisoners are taken to half-way houses.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2006-05-14 21:06:00, Deborah wrote:

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How might the program be required to give the kid contact numbers when they receive their exit plan?

Seems grossly abusive and neglegent (manipulative) to turn a program-dependent kid out on the street with pocket change and a bus ticket to an unknown city.

Hell, even prisoners are taken to half-way houses."

Thats kind of the point Deb... make them depend on you for everything.

Then again I doubt you didnt realize that. Just pointing it out for the lurkers.