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« on: May 12, 2006, 11:56:00 PM »
Bravo, bravo! Any idiot foolish enough to follow this lunatic might want to report for a psycological evaluation forthwith.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2006, 12:09:00 AM »
Well hell - when you got program referral outfits popping up all over the Internet calling themselves parent and teen advocates ...
aw, never mind. Nobody gives a damn anyway, they're too obsessed with a certan kind of flying insect to see the forest for the trees.

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2006, 12:15:00 AM »
Then there's the self-proclaimed "advocates" who are so self-involved and attention needy, I had to make a special sign for them:

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2006, 12:20:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-12 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Is it just me or is there a lot of rotten two faced punks passing themselves off as advocates?



I get people asking me questions about what advocate group I support on occasion. I normally stay away from most mainstream groups. Every now and again I harrass Katfish over on Cafety, but that is just because she is hot looking and I am a pervert. Well also she is pretty darn smart certainly a lot smarter than me.



Still on more than one occasion I have been asked to provide my "wisdom" and experience to a particular cause. I think these folks need to wise up as to exactly how wise I am, but that is just my opinion. Anyway I always am left with the slight suspicion that group "A" thinks group "B" is a bunch of scum slurping primates just fresh down from the trees. Nothing specific mind you just the niggling suspicion that alot of these advocacy groups hate each other for whatever reason.



Maybe I am wrong, but none the less I am going to found my own Advocacy group.



It will be titled:



The Arseholes for Social Justice.



In order to qualify you must be an arsehole who is willing to be an arsehole about progressive social equality.



We will willingly chum up with satan if it gets the cause of progressive social change moved forward. If we feel bad about it later well that is what Jim Beam in large doses is for.



Hell if it helps we will even willingly sware off tobacco, sex, booze, red meat, and porno for like 20 minutes if it will help get a law passed to help kids in programs.



Ok the red meat part is excessive.





I think I have a point in all of this somewhere, but then again you never know with me. I do like to ramble incoherently alot.



Oh yeah the name is negotiable I am open to fresh ideas.

If All it takes is an infinite number of monkeys with type writers, then how come there's no Shakespeare coming out of AOL?
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2006, 05:03:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-12 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Then there's the self-proclaimed "advocates" who are so self-involved and attention needy, I had to make a special sign for them:



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If I ever feel like hacking ANOTHER PHPBBB website, I'd be sure to post that all over struggling teens  :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2006, 11:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-12 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Is it just me or is there a lot of rotten two faced punks passing themselves off as advocates?
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Maybe I am wrong, but none the less I am going to found my own Advocacy group.



It will be titled:



The Arseholes for Social Justice.



In order to qualify you must be an arsehole who is willing to be an arsehole about progressive social equality.



We will willingly chum up with satan if it gets the cause of progressive social change moved forward. If we feel bad about it later well that is what Jim Beam in large doses is for.



Hell if it helps we will even willingly sware off tobacco, sex, booze, red meat, and porno for like 20 minutes if it will help get a law passed to help kids in programs.



Ok the red meat part is excessive.


Man, TSW, I'm tellin' ya - I was just about ready to follow, but I'm afraid I'd be another two-faced advocate.  If I had to swear off tobacco, sex, booze and red meat for 20 minutes, I'd be a hippocrate in 10. I can completely give up the porn though... does that count for anything? :grin:

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2006, 11:56:00 AM »
1) TAUSA  Teen Advocates USA
Has a "mission statement"

"Teen Advocates USA is a non-profit children's rights education and public avocacy website dedicated to improving the status and well-being of children in our society through judicial, legislative, and social policy reforms."

3) ISAC  International Survivors Action Committee

"We believe that every child derserves to be treated with dignity and respect.
Our mission is to expose abuse, civil rights violations, and fraud perpetutated through privately-owned facilities for juveniles."

No Spank is not on the list; but this site has a mission statement:
http://www.nospank.net/purpose.htm
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2006, 12:04:00 PM »
CAFETY states its mission, too.

http://www.cafety.org.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
Read the "Home" section of CAICA very carefully. There's no MISSION STATEMENT there.

Wanna bet there will be some type of "Mission Statement" on CAICA very soon, though?

Wonder which one will be "copied?"
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2006, 12:19:00 PM »
CAICA's Home Page seems like a "dedication page" to Sue Scheff and PURE.
"TB reveiew, provided by Sue Scheff."
"Spring Creek, WWASP vs Scheff"
"Press Release: Sue Scheff & PURE Defeat WWASP"

What gives?
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2006, 02:01:00 PM »
I'm in. I absolutely am definitely in.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2006, 06:17:00 AM »
Giving up beer, red meat and porno would be hypocritical, afterall the things we are fighting for pretty much come down to the freedome of the individual to be themselves, even if they are imperfect.
We are fighting the myth of the perfect child
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see the children with their boredom and their vacant stares. God help us all if we\'re to blame for their unanswered prayers,

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2006, 06:53:00 AM »
We're fighting the "ME, NOW!" generation that grew up and applied that mentality to their parenting, IMHO.
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »
Perhaps the advocacy groups should spend all their time posting to an obscure forum that is meaningless to everyone but it's participants. The new organization should spend its time arguing with parents online and make fun of everyone I can.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2006, 01:05:00 PM »
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"Perhaps the advocacy groups should spend all their time posting to an obscure forum that is meaningless to everyone but it's participants. The new organization should spend its time arguing with parents online and make fun of everyone I can. "


It's funny the (transparent) efforts you people go to to stop others from saying things you don't want said.

You *could* just be a random troll.  Saw plenty of those way back in high school.  If someone was saying something they didn't want to hear, they'd use ridicule to try to shout it down.

If there wasn't something about what we're all saying and its real life effectiveness that was bothering you, you wouldn't be taking the time to try to discourage us.

That social pressure strategy does work with most people.  It shuts them up.  Thankfully, it doesn't work with activist types.

Just yesterday, I was able to tell some very receptive folks who didn't know what goes on at these places about the death at Thayer.  They were, rightly, appalled that nobody had been arrested.

It was a great conversation.  They talked about their pet issues, I talked about this one.  They will definitely remember what they learned talking to me, as I'll remember what I learned from them.

They have a close family member in a group home, in and out of institutions, because she has schizophrenia.  So they have a personal interest in the quality and ethics of care facilities.  They can relate on a highly personal level, they know it's important, and they're long time, experienced activists.

You can't beat that kind of networking.

I'm a long time, effective activist on another issue.  The experience is invaluable.

I'm glad we're making you so uncomfortable.  It means we're getting results.

All activists have to have some communications lines like Fornits to get the intellectual cross-pollination that makes us effective in our ongoing individual and small group attempts, elsewhere, to educate, to raise awareness, and to persaude.

So you hate it.  Good.  It's a great sign that it's working--whether you're a program insider trying to discourage, or just a heckler who's made uncomfortable by what we have to say.

Shaking people out of their comfort zone is how activists succeed at bringing about positive change.

Julie
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