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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2006, 05:02:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-04 13:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Here we go again.  


Kathy what programs, as of today, are on your GOOD LIST?  The ones you could honestly tell a parent would be a safe program in which to enroll their child?


Better still, which program would you, yourself feel comfortable enrolling your own child in?


Name them."




Kathy - can we get an answer today?  I know you think this is all about "drama" but some people truly are concerned and would appreciate a response to these specific questions.



Thanks!



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I think I read in one of her responses that she doesn't recommend any programs and debunks the premise of all programs.

This is a slippery-slope argument saying that if she doesn't condemn every program then she supports some.  

I completely understand your reasoning that if there are no offical abuse records for a particular program then parents will take that as a "green light" or an endorsement - They will.

I still think it's better than not counterbalancing the propaganda that programs employ.  

And, for the record, I am against any out-of-home placement for any child that is not severely mentally ill (less than one percent of diagnosed psychopathology) unless it involves criminal detention for a serious and violent offense.
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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2006, 05:08:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-04 13:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here we go again.  

Kathy what programs, as of today, are on your GOOD LIST?  The ones you could honestly tell a parent would be a safe program in which to enroll their child?

Better still, which program would you, yourself feel comfortable enrolling your own child in?

Name them."


I don't have a "GOOD LIST"  I could honestly tell a parent that no programs are safe. There isn't a program out there that I would enroll my own children in.  And herein lies my point.... I would like this information to be known by many people out there.  This coming from someone who has been labeled a "troubled teen" and as someone who is also the parent of teens today.

Why in the hell do I feel like I'm being stood up and confronted by the group?  You guys are kinda creepin' me out.
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« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2006, 05:14:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-04 13:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-05-04 13:30:00, Kathy wrote:


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On 2006-05-04 11:28:00, Anonymous wrote:



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On 2006-05-04 11:14:00, Nihilanthic wrote:




"I think we're all just too damn cynical and hairtriggered here after the troll invasion and just the PURE/Whitmore shitstorm.









Since my post was anon Ill boil it down:




I'm perosnally sorry I didnt read it all the way through before making up my mind about what you're doing, Kathy. Im just too damn pessimistic for my own good.









Im also sorry I annoy you so much :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

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You are offering to do "program research" for a fee.  Your report on said program comes back either good, bad or ugly .. thereby influencing the parent who purchased (excuse me, commissioned) the report to form a certain opinion and/or conclusion.  Then what?



Which leads me to wonder if you have thought about offering a QUANITY DISCOUNT?  

**** HUH?**** Wtf does this post mean, please clarify....
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2006, 05:15:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-04 14:02:00, Kathy wrote:

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On 2006-05-04 12:56:00, TheWho wrote:


"Kathy, I think you have a site that may work.  An alternative to the Ed Cons is sorely needed.  You would need to be careful that you provide an honest service and your research is fair and balanced (this applies to any service) or you will lose you customer base overnight and word will get out very quickly.  Fornits would be a good source for some of your research but you would also have to balance it out with other sources.  





I don?t think you will get many people here to back you unless you agree that the parents get the message that all programs are abusive and your child will not benefit from any of them. It?s very difficult to get a balanced view here.





Niles, for example, made a few good points that would be helpful to you and your cause and showed signs of thinking independently, but the group was quick to point this out to him and he backed off and joined the popular position here.





My point is be careful who you accept money from.  If they are individuals that is fine, but if you accept money from a group, you take on their position also, it goes with the funding.





Good luck, sounds like a good venture, we may talk further.


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Thank you for a sane post. I must say you understand my position now of being an "alternative" to the "pro-program" edu-con.



My research is honest, I don't no how fair and balanced it is, as I try to provide the worst information I can find in order to combat the "testimonies" (of grateful kids and parents) along with the completely false sales pitches.



Why isn't the information fair and balanced? (First, I tell people up front that I am not fair an balanced but trying to prove that "programs" aren't effective therapy and don't work. In other words, trying to be a voice for the kids who WON'T be believed!) I do this because I have been in a program and I know what goes on in the program and the lies the counslors, clients and administrators tell in order to either to get more clients, or simply because they have been brainwashed to truly believe in their "powers." Fornits is never a source of information for me at all.  I use many other real and primary sources.  



I don't expect to get anyone here to back me, never did expect to or care to.  However, I also never expected to be intentionally attacked by "friendly fire."



I haven't accepted money from anyone so far. (Which is what makes this thread even more laughable) I wish these people would get their facts straight before going witch-hunting.... but then again, they wouldn't be hunting witches if they were so inclined to get the facts first, now would they?"


What cracks me up is all the research in the world (free or not) can't protect kids from an industry that thrives on enabling their parents to label their kid a misfit and ship them off somewhere.  This fear-mongering as a means of promoting personal agendas is helping the industry, not harming it.

Good luck Kathy, I don't envy you for the road you are about to travel for there truly are better (and far less risky) ways to make a few bucks.

That's not drama, or being mean-spirited either.  It's some free, friendly advice.  Take it or leave it.  

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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2006, 05:18:00 PM »
Kathy, critique and criticism is the way the real world works - in programs, its just accepted, and if you try to counter it, the group criticises YOU, not what youre saying, to humiliate you and pressure you into shutting up, and eventually capitulating to it (if not actually coming to believe it). But, well, you know that.... moving on...

Im not trying to do that, and Im not so sure everyone here is, though those who feel youre in it for bucks will have a personal beef with you accordingly - Hell, wouldnt YOU be pissed at someone masquerading to be an advocate and just getting edcon money ala $ue?

I sure would. But, youre not, so this nothing more than a misunderstanding that got blown totally out of proportion. I dont think anyones trying to single you out, but when a group of people dislikes the actions of another, the group dynamic (prolly instinctually) is to single them out, and humiliation or other negative emotions is the result. Programs take advantage of that as I said above, and you know very, very well - criticism is BAD, and NEGATIVE, so dont do it, just accept what people tell you.

Blah blah blah.

But the, of course, TheWho has to troll, even HERE...

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Niles, for example, made a few good points that would be helpful to you and your cause and showed signs of thinking independently, but the group was quick to point this out to him and he backed off and joined the popular position here.


Uh, doofus, as soon as I grasped what she was actually setting out to do, I changed my opinion accordingly. Im NOT a groupthink kind of person, if anything Im a gadfly who gets off on thinking for myself. I do, however, agree with transparency and accountability for all parties with their hands in this - even Kathy. If wanting some good faith, transparency, etc, basically no more than Id ask of anyone else doing this is falling into "group think" in your mind then you have some serious issues.

BTW, what is the 'popular opinion' Im supposed to be adhering to here? That shes gonna be an edcon? Ive clearly stated otherwise. I mis understood and moved on. Youre attacking ME, and not the facts here, programmie. Cut it out.

But, then again, why the hell are YOU telling anyone about the good or bad about groupthink?  :roll:

UGH. Well, Kathy, when certain people show up in a thread it does turn into the fuckin program all over again, now doesnt it?

Ill try to find better ways to bring up criticism in the future without making it feel like Im attacking the person who made the points I need to cretique in the future, because Im not trying to set out to put someone on the defensive. You did seem a little defensive yourself, but then again, if it was because of my actions, then its my fault, not yours.

So, lets see if we can MOVE ON already, everyone?
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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2006, 05:21:00 PM »
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What cracks me up is all the research in the world (free or not) can't protect kids from an industry that thrives on enabling their parents to label their kid a misfit and ship them off somewhere. This fear-mongering as a means of promoting personal agendas is helping the industry, not harming it.

Good luck Kathy, I don't envy you for the road you are about to travel for there truly are better (and far less risky) ways to make a few bucks.

That's not drama, or being mean-spirited either. It's some free, friendly advice. Take it or leave it.


We really need to avoid trying to attack eachother when we make these points. I thoguht the point was to AVOID being another fucking interrogation chamber? Havent we had enough of that for those of us who went through a few months of years of hell?

Here... Kathy, why not make a disclaimer that they should read regarding how a lot of programs simply create emotional distress by making up shit the parents should be afraid of, such as slippery slope type nonsense regarding drugs, jailtime, ending up dead, being a whore, or whatever, and that just having a 'misfit' kid isnt grounds to put them in a program, nor is that something a program (or anything) can 'fix', besides simply growing up?

Yanno, basically so they can understand the only thing these places do is just make them conform and do as told using confrontational shit (like this thread, just in person and much more intense!) and other mind crap to maek them submit?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2006, 05:21:00 PM »
Kathy, I think the big question (have you answered it?) is whether or not you are going to make the reports available to everyone after you are paid to do them.
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« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2006, 05:34:00 PM »
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Here... Kathy, why not make a disclaimer that they should read regarding how a lot of programs simply create emotional distress by making up shit the parents should be afraid of, such as slippery slope type nonsense regarding drugs, jailtime, ending up dead, being a whore, or whatever, and that just having a 'misfit' kid isnt grounds to put them in a program, nor is that something a program (or anything) can 'fix', besides simply growing up?


I agree, in bold letters just as  parent is entering your site !!

Good advice, smile.
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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2006, 05:36:00 PM »
You guys, I'm typing as fast as I can to respond to all your posts.  I'm simply not going to get to all of them.  I just finished writing up a huge post to include a response to everyone, and the screen flipped over to the main page, causing me to lose everything I had just typed.  So basically I'm going to end my part in this thread like this....

If you have any more TRUE concerns, email me at ficainfo @ kathymoya . com  I'll be happy to respond to you if you don't write to me anonymously.  Being anonymous and trying to actually make some headway on an issue truly don't go hand in hand.  It's been fun.  See ya! :smile:
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« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2006, 05:37:00 PM »
Yeah, well I'm  going to start a business where parents can pay me to investigate the multi-million dollar teen referral business and the PEOPLE who work in it.  Yessiree - now that's what parents really need to know. WHO CAN THEY TRUST? Ed Cons, Program Referral Services, Parents-Helping-Other-Parents, Advocates, Program Survivors, etc.  

No need to contact me for a quote either.  Each report costs $100.00 and it's the best money a parent will ever spend.  Guaranteed, no need for a disclaimer because the truth is the best defense.

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« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2006, 05:44:00 PM »
I get the feeling I'm being avoided...
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« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2006, 05:52:00 PM »
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"Yeah, well I'm  going to start a business where parents can pay me to investigate the multi-million dollar teen referral business and the PEOPLE who work in it.  Yessiree - now that's what parents really need to know. WHO CAN THEY TRUST? Ed Cons, Program Referral Services, Parents-Helping-Other-Parents, Advocates, Program Survivors, etc.  



No need to contact me for a quote either.  Each report costs $100.00 and it's the best money a parent will ever spend.  Guaranteed, no need for a disclaimer because the truth is the best defense.



 :silly:

I'm just kidding, this is a spoof.  Or is it?  Hmmm.  300 bucks x 30?  That's some serious gas money and um, well, there are a lot of desperate parents out there in need of my services.

Back later, I need to get myself a domain name.
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2006, 05:54:00 PM »
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"I get the feeling I'm being avoided..."


I hope not, it was a very good question.  Maybe I want you to privately email KM?

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« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2006, 05:56:00 PM »
I just did.

This is the critical question- is she really needing to pay for what she does, or is she just out for money?
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« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2006, 06:00:00 PM »
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"I get the feeling I'm being avoided..."




I hope not, it was a very good question.  Maybe I want you to privately email KM?



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LOL, it did it again.  Fornits, I mean.  Changed my words.  I actually (swear to god) typed, maybe "you need to privately" ... and it came out I WANT YOU TO.  

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