aka sue scheff jr.

[Kathy]

Well, I'd love to stay and play with you guys, but I really have other, way more important things to do.  My kids are waiting for me.  I'm sorry I didn't get to address everyone's post individually, but when I get more time, I'll be back, in the mean time, grown some balls and email me, for some one to one.   talk at ya later.  
Kathy (aka sue scheff jr.) :wave:

[Anonymous]

grown some balls

You grew some balls? That is kind of gross.

[Anonymous]

Yea, that sure is some fine talk "grow some balls", now isn't it?
S

[Anonymous]

Kathy must have infants. What other children are up at 4 AM?

[Kathy]

On 2006-05-04 08:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

grown some balls

You grew some balls? That is kind of gross."

LOL!  Now THAT was funny!  I sure as hell did write grown instead of what I intended (which of course was grow)  OOps.  I made way too many typos on my way out the door this morning.  And it wasn't 4am.  If any of you are familiar with this web site, it clearly statesthat all times posted are in pacific time.   And I am NOT on the pacific coast.

I originally was not going to respond to this anymore, but curiousity got the best of me and I did check back to see if there were any further smears of my name.  

And then I came across this post and it struck me really, really funny.   So being that it kind of put me in a jovial mood, I guess I'll address your accusations and critisicms.  Again I only have a short amount of time, so please forgive any typos. (LOL)  

Anyway.  I've been offering free information on the internet for 6 years nows.  I've paid out thousands of dollars getting the message out to people.  Never asking for fees or donations.  I'm starting to get in hot water from my family about spending money for this. So, I would like to have the site, at a minimum pay for itself, so I can continue to contribute to getting the message out there.

 My web site is always under construction and it takes a lot of time to get all the information I have up on the site.  I'd say it is about a quarter (25%) of the way done.

In the meantime, I have posted a few specific reports, of which I have already sent out to those who have requested them.  Free of charge.  I simply have a donation button, because it would be nice to have at least payment for the ink and postage if for nothing else. I have put a suggested donation amount, something that isn't mandatory, but is a fair request.

Next, I do NOT make any recommendations to programs. The research service is simply that,a service I offer (you could say on the side.)
 
Parents who are looking into programs tend to be either single or double working parents who don't have the time it takes to do indepth research about these programs, so I have offered to do this as service to these people, if they feel they don't have the time to do it themselves. The reason I say email me for a quote, is because if I have much of the information it will be either free or a lower fee, however, if  they ask me about a program or person I have never heard of and I have to do research from scratch and/or I have to pay to do some type of background check, they will have to front me that fee.

I get very specific requests, such as have you ever heard about x program? or y program?  Do you know if there are any bad reports about the programs, or people who run them?  If I already have any information handy, I'll email it to them, otherwise I have to just say no I haven't heard anything about that particular program, which often would be misconstrued as "that program must be ok."  So in order to have the opportunity to catch someone like that from simply deducing that no info means the program is ok, I'm willing to do the research for them, (especially if they don't have the time to do it) but I can not be using the little bit of cash I have to PAY THEM not to put their kid in a program.  That is just ridiculous!!!.  I need my expenses reimbursed.  

Why hasn't anyone complained about my offering web site services "FOR A FEE!"  I mean gosh, don't you think I should just provide web services to everyone who comes to my site for free as well?  No one says anyone who comes to my site HAS to purchase the research service.  They can do the research themselves, I actually prefer that they do, however, there are people who would rather pay someone else to do it for them, and what better person, then someone who has been watching this industry for years, and knows where to look and what to look for to get that information in the shortest period of time.  

Now there is one last option, if you guys want to help me pay for all my bills regarding the FICA site, then I won't have to charge anyone anything, I can just take for the FICA jar to do these researches for people.  

I really don't understand how anyone misconstrued what I offer on my site as being my charging parents to tell them where to put their kids.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  

I think a lot of hysterical groupthink happens on fornits.  Kind of reminds me of being in "group" in the program.  Who would have ever thought fornits would one day become "group" all over again.  

Well, hope this clears things up for you all, and if not, like I've said before, feel free to email me directly.  I'm very approachable.  I have no problems dealing with a problem head-on.  Of course this wouldn't be nearly as fun or dramatic as fabricating something on fornits.  So have it your way.  Post away on fornits or else, just email me.  

And who ever wrote this email, thanks for the laugh, that was funny!

Kathy :smile:

[Troll Control]

Anyway. I've been offering free information on the internet for 6 years nows. I've paid out thousands of dollars getting the message out to people. Never asking for fees or donations. I'm starting to get in hot water from my family about spending money for this. So, I would like to have the site, at a minimum pay for itself, so I can continue to contribute to getting the message out there.

Honestly, people, what is wrong with this?  How are we to compete with a multi-billion dollar industry with no infusion of capital of any kind?  Isn't that kind of thinking a bit Pollyanna?

If you have a problem with this, maybe you could approach some wealthy donors to give the needed funds to Kathy.  At least you'd be helping.

For me personally, if I were getting paid the same rate as my job for doing "public service" here, I wouldn't need a job.  But my overhead is zero, so I don't need to be reimbursed.  Kathy does.  She has infrastructure to maintain and services to provide.

This seems basically like a cheap way to say "gotcha" to someone who's on the right side of the issue.  It makes no sense.

[Kathy]

On 2006-05-04 08:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yea, that sure is some fine talk "grow some balls", now isn't it?

S"

Fine talk, and fine typos.LOL.
 S?  What are you scared of? S is the best you can do to identify who you are.  So brave behind the anonymous name and the anonymity of the computer keyboard.  Carry on!  :lol:

[Kathy]

On 2006-05-04 10:16:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"

Anyway. I've been offering free information on the internet for 6 years nows. I've paid out thousands of dollars getting the message out to people. Never asking for fees or donations. I'm starting to get in hot water from my family about spending money for this. So, I would like to have the site, at a minimum pay for itself, so I can continue to contribute to getting the message out there.

Honestly, people, what is wrong with this?  How are we to compete with a multi-billion dollar industry with no infusion of capital of any kind?  Isn't that kind of thinking a bit Pollyanna?



If you have a problem with this, maybe you could approach some wealthy donors to give the needed funds to Kathy.  At least you'd be helping.



For me personally, if I were getting paid the same rate as my job for doing "public service" here, I wouldn't need a job.  But my overhead is zero, so I don't need to be reimbursed.  Kathy does.  She has infrastructure to maintain and services to provide.



This seems basically like a cheap way to say "gotcha" to someone who's on the right side of the issue.  It makes no sense.
"

Thank you so much for understanding, what I'm saying and what I am trying to do.  :tup:

[Anonymous]

Personally, I think Kathy should focus on web site design instead of instilling parents with a false sense of security about any given program ... like someone else we know ... and in fact, the same strategy used by most ed cons and parent-run referral services.  Read Maia's book which exposes this practice (FEAR MONGERING).

Bottom line is there are other ways to run a profitable website and-or earn money to pay for it's upkeep.

IMO, advocates who are against institutionalized child abuse are to be commended for holding the line -- not crossing over it.

 :smokin:

[Nihilanthic]

Yanno, I'll listen to you, Kathy, but the defensiveness from your postings is just adding to suspicion.

And no, Im not out for victims to attack. I also dont care how annoying I am to you, Im not here for a damned popularity contest.

You know what this is about. You know what happened and for how long in this country for this forum to even exist, and for all these people to have a reason to come here, such as yourself.

Now, if youre truly doing unbiased research, then Im sorry for my kneejerk reaction. I was just flabberghasted that someone would try to make a buck off this, but then again if you cant get advertising money or a donation, and its the average idjit parent with more money to blow than braincells left to kill, then I could see your reasoning.

So you say you wont do referrals? Just research on the program? Now, lets take a hypothetic here... what if they asked for research on a WWASPS program? Im assuming youd tell them about all of their sordid history and the abuse accusations and lawsuits, right?

If so, I have an apology to give you. I just still have a bad taste in my mouth from the PURE fiasco, as Im sure you could understand.

But, this does beg the question... what if you find one of those magical, hidden "good programs" that dont have any bullshit behavior modification, mind control, isolation, coersive, interrogation style 'therapy' and actually has real therapy?

Would you share that with everyone? Im sure TheWho would probably cream his pants, and for the sake of arguement (or an alternative) Ive been trying to find a 'good one' to mention as an example of how to do it right.

But, well, its your business and your actions, you can do what you want. Just please come to terms with why we all flipped we saw what looked like the birth of a new edcon - a lot of people get seduced by the money to be made here.

Again, if I jumped the gun, my apologies - I figured ID get it all clarified from yours truly before I formulated any final opinion on what youre doing.

[Troll Control]

Well, this is certainly more responsible feedback.

I guess my thinking is that if parents can get the unvarnished truth about a program rather than a salespitch and an advertisement, it's a good thing.  It's even better if this information is accompanied by the scientific data that show NONE of these programs work as intended.

Kathy, how do you handle this problem?  Should you give no investigative report and say "just say no" to all programs, or do you think, as I do, that you should provide a report and even if it reveals no overt abuse, throw in a caveat that the therapeutic model itself is bunk and junk regardless of who's running the program?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-04 10:05:00, Kathy wrote:

"

On 2006-05-04 08:04:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

grown some balls

You grew some balls? That is kind of gross."

LOL!  Now THAT was funny!  I sure as hell did write grown instead of what I intended (which of course was grow)  OOps.  I made way too many typos on my way out the door this morning.  And it wasn't 4am.  If any of you are familiar with this web site, it clearly statesthat all times posted are in pacific time.   And I am NOT on the pacific coast.



I originally was not going to respond to this anymore, but curiousity got the best of me and I did check back to see if there were any further smears of my name.  



And then I came across this post and it struck me really, really funny.   So being that it kind of put me in a jovial mood, I guess I'll address your accusations and critisicms.  Again I only have a short amount of time, so please forgive any typos. (LOL)  



Anyway.  I've been offering free information on the internet for 6 years nows.  I've paid out thousands of dollars getting the message out to people.  Never asking for fees or donations.  I'm starting to get in hot water from my family about spending money for this. So, I would like to have the site, at a minimum pay for itself, so I can continue to contribute to getting the message out there.



 My web site is always under construction and it takes a lot of time to get all the information I have up on the site.  I'd say it is about a quarter (25%) of the way done.



In the meantime, I have posted a few specific reports, of which I have already sent out to those who have requested them.  Free of charge.  I simply have a donation button, because it would be nice to have at least payment for the ink and postage if for nothing else. I have put a suggested donation amount, something that isn't mandatory, but is a fair request.



Next, I do NOT make any recommendations to programs. The research service is simply that,a service I offer (you could say on the side.)

 

Parents who are looking into programs tend to be either single or double working parents who don't have the time it takes to do indepth research about these programs, so I have offered to do this as service to these people, if they feel they don't have the time to do it themselves. The reason I say email me for a quote, is because if I have much of the information it will be either free or a lower fee, however, if  they ask me about a program or person I have never heard of and I have to do research from scratch and/or I have to pay to do some type of background check, they will have to front me that fee.



I get very specific requests, such as have you ever heard about x program? or y program?  Do you know if there are any bad reports about the programs, or people who run them?  If I already have any information handy, I'll email it to them, otherwise I have to just say no I haven't heard anything about that particular program, which often would be misconstrued as "that program must be ok."  So in order to have the opportunity to catch someone like that from simply deducing that no info means the program is ok, I'm willing to do the research for them, (especially if they don't have the time to do it) but I can not be using the little bit of cash I have to PAY THEM not to put their kid in a program.  That is just ridiculous!!!.  I need my expenses reimbursed.  



Why hasn't anyone complained about my offering web site services "FOR A FEE!"  I mean gosh, don't you think I should just provide web services to everyone who comes to my site for free as well?  No one says anyone who comes to my site HAS to purchase the research service.  They can do the research themselves, I actually prefer that they do, however, there are people who would rather pay someone else to do it for them, and what better person, then someone who has been watching this industry for years, and knows where to look and what to look for to get that information in the shortest period of time.  



Now there is one last option, if you guys want to help me pay for all my bills regarding the FICA site, then I won't have to charge anyone anything, I can just take for the FICA jar to do these researches for people.  



I really don't understand how anyone misconstrued what I offer on my site as being my charging parents to tell them where to put their kids.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  



I think a lot of hysterical groupthink happens on fornits.  Kind of reminds me of being in "group" in the program.  Who would have ever thought fornits would one day become "group" all over again.  



Well, hope this clears things up for you all, and if not, like I've said before, feel free to email me directly.  I'm very approachable.  I have no problems dealing with a problem head-on.  Of course this wouldn't be nearly as fun or dramatic as fabricating something on fornits.  So have it your way.  Post away on fornits or else, just email me.  



And who ever wrote this email, thanks for the laugh, that was funny!



Kathy :silly:

Hopefully we wont have any further pissyfights like this, and Ill be sure not to react emotionally to something I read again here. Anyway, I got to go take my math finals, hopefully you'll read this. If not, Ill e-mail it.

Later, and good luck with your website.

[Nihilanthic]

DAMMIT I was sure I was logged in. That was me above.

[Kathy]

On 2006-05-04 10:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Personally, I think Kathy should focus on web site design instead of instilling parents with a false sense of security about any given program ... like someone else we know ... and in fact, the same strategy used by most ed cons and parent-run referral services.  Read Maia's book which exposes this practice (FEAR MONGERING).



Bottom line is there are other ways to run a profitable website and-or earn money to pay for it's upkeep.



IMO, advocates who are against institutionalized child abuse are to be commended for holding the line -- not crossing over it.



 :smokin:











"

How in the heck do you figure I am instilling parents with a false sense of security about any given program? That doesn't make any sense?  You obviously didn't read what I wrote about how just saying no I don't have information on a program can be misconstrued as the program is ok, which is what I do not want.  Your arguments don't make any sense!  

And as for your "bottom line" that their are other ways to run a profitable website and/or earn money to pay for it's upkeep, I'd like to hear your suggestions, cause I obviously haven't figured that out yet!!! Kathy

[Anonymous]

What makes Kathy Moya think she is qualified to dispense information to parents either for a fee or a "suggested donation"?  Is she an adolescent psychologist?  An adolescent behavioral healthcare expert?  This is ridiculous.  If you really want to help parents and kids, stop enabling the parents to put their child (and their bank account) in the hands of people who think they can tell heaven from hell.

 :flame: