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« Reply #315 on: April 26, 2007, 06:27:40 PM »
These are the only objectively verifiable facts so far in this thread:

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1. ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".

2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.

3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.

4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.



The other licensing issues will be hammered out through a state investigation. For now, all we can really be sure of is that ASR is already classified by the state as "Special Education" and that ASR fails to meet the minimum standards prescribed under law.

The other assertions will have to be examined by the state, although, historically speaking, these investigations result in so-called "TBS's" being forced to license as RTC's or RCF's, so the odds-on favorite is exactly that - that, at the end of the day, ASR will be forced to license or close like many others that followed the same path.

We'll have to see how it plays out...  


This is reasonable and accurate.
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« Reply #316 on: April 26, 2007, 06:47:23 PM »
Another fact about an ASR "diploma":

Massachusetts law requires that in order to recieve a legal, state issued diploma the student must take and pass the MCAS (Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System) tests.

ASR does not provide MCAS testing and therefore any "diploma they confer on a student is, by definition, not state sanctioned or recognized.
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« Reply #317 on: April 26, 2007, 08:30:03 PM »
Okay lets get back to it… just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha, … we don’t hear those claims anymore do we, wonder why?

Okay, lets take a look at your list again:

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1.ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".

Yes but they meet all the requirements as laid down by the state.

Here call:  Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

“Approval of Public and Private Day and Residential Special Education School Programs
(1) Approval from the Department. The Department may grant approval to public and private day and residential schools providing special education services (special education schools) in Massachusetts in order to ensure that a continuum of special education programs is available to Massachusetts students with disabilities. Approval shall be granted by the Department in accordance with the provisions of 603 CMR 28.09. Upon receipt of approval special education schools are eligible to enroll publicly funded Massachusetts eligible students.


ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply.  So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school.  But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private.  Call the number above.

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2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.

Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !!  oh no, what do we do now?

Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588


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3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.

no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….


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4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.


Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts.  Check it out they are a school:

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/search.asp ... e&town=114


So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS).  But how should the state handle this?  

 ---Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?  

 ---Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?  

 ---Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?

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« Reply #318 on: April 26, 2007, 08:55:45 PM »
Hey do any of the rest of you watch "The Office"?

Great show, I bring it up because I recently noticed how similar TheWho is to Dwight. Those of you who watch the show know what I'm talking about .

For example.

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just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha,

No Cindy, I provided the proof. You did nothing but try and take credit for it. As it stands however ASR has no licensed therapist on regular staff. They have three licensed social workers, the kids are forced to participate in therapy from unqualified staff.

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ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply. So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school. But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private. Call the number above.

So again you believe ASR is free to operate outside of the law. Is there anyway we could get a picture of you when you read theyve been forced to become licensed? Id really like to see that look on your face. As to no public funding, Cindy you are familiar with the No Child Left Behind Act correct? Has ASR recieved any funds as a result of it?

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Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !! oh no, what do we do now?

Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:

The link DJ provided has nothing to do with the teachers being licensed. Weve already spoken with the DOE. None of the teachers at ASR are apparently licensed. Call them yourself and verify.

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no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….

Cindy theyve had 10 years. What's the hold up?

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Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts. Check it out they are a school:

Again Cindy this link has nothing to do with diplomas. You yourself acknowledged they were never approved as a Special Education school. Therefore they arent actually a school and thus the diplomas are meaningless.


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So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS). But how should the state handle this?

This wasnt what you claimed earlier. Why the sudden change of heart?

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---Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?

The state never classified them as a hybrid. Which is why you cannot provide any proof suggesting as much. ASR claimed to be a special needs program that could apply for an exemption under the 30% rule. Again, call them up and verify if you like.

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---Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?

Sufficent requirements are already in place. ASR has just worked very hard to avoid them.

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---Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?


And how would you know that Cindy?

Looking forward to watching you evade all the tough questions again due to your own fear and cowardice.
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« Reply #319 on: April 26, 2007, 09:46:32 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Okay lets get back to it… just like when you said they had no licensed counselors…tsk tsk tsk…I had to provide the proof... you always make me do all the work, Ha,Ha,Ha, … we don’t hear those claims anymore do we, wonder why?

Okay, lets take a look at your list again:

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1.ASR is classified by the state. They are classified as a "Special Education School".

Yes but they meet all the requirements as laid down by the state.

Here call:  Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

“Approval of Public and Private Day and Residential Special Education School Programs
(1) Approval from the Department. The Department may grant approval to public and private day and residential schools providing special education services (special education schools) in Massachusetts in order to ensure that a continuum of special education programs is available to Massachusetts students with disabilities. Approval shall be granted by the Department in accordance with the provisions of 603 CMR 28.09. Upon receipt of approval special education schools are eligible to enroll publicly funded Massachusetts eligible students.


ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply.  So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school.  But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private.  Call the number above.

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2. ASR does not employ any licensed teachers nor any special educators, so they remain "unapproved" by the state.

Big one… ASR employees licensed teachers !!  oh no, what do we do now?

Check it out for yourselves, there is a phone number you can call:

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588


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3. ASR does not appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's comprehensive review for 2007 which indicates their "partnership" with the district has ended in 2007.

no, just means they haven’t talk about it yet , nice try though….


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4. ASR remains unaccredited and is legally barred by the state from issuing state sanctioned diplomas.

Wrong again……ASR hands out diplomas via the laws of the state of Massachusetts.  Check it out they are a school:

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/search.asp ... e&town=114


So the only thing that remains is how to define ASR. We all know they are a Therapeutic Boarding school (TBS).  But how should the state handle this?  

 ---Should they continue to classify them as a “Special education school” with special status (Hybrid)?  

 ---Should they define requirements specific to TBS’s?  

 ---Should they allow them to operate the way they have been for the past decade (considering there are no complaints from the students or parents)?

.


You forgot "Private Boarding School"
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« Reply #320 on: April 27, 2007, 03:40:30 AM »
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SOMETimes I want you to know when to quit , guest you have prooved that ASR is operating without being qualified to do anything and is in violation of the law


its settled. to conitnue this back and forth just distracts from that. litterally- it moves away from the points that have been made and rehashes the issue in different words...its done
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« Reply #321 on: April 27, 2007, 08:29:15 AM »
TheWho exhibits desperation in its purest form.  The last refuge of guilt is denial...

Sorry, Mr. Who, but the state verifies that you're lying!  Ha, ha, ha...
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« Reply #322 on: April 27, 2007, 08:39:24 AM »
Yes, but the truth can be heard thru one phone call.  I called and the teachers are licensed, as thewho said.  Also the school is in good standing with the state.  No violations or complaints.

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588
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« Reply #323 on: April 27, 2007, 08:52:27 AM »
Not true!  A quick call does verify something, but that something is the fact that not a single teacher on staff is licensed.  Don't try to bullshit anyone!

Also, in order to be licensed, one must have a master's degree in the subject to be taught and teachers cannot be cross-utilized because it's a license violation.

ASR's teachers are all cross-utilized and don't have master's degrees in the subjects they teach.  Not to mention not a single one has a license on file or an interim license.

My wife is a licensed teacher in Conn, Mass and NY.  Her licenses are on file and quite easiliy verified.

Please name the teachers you claim are licensed and provide their license numbers.  If you don't, we can assume you're lying about it.
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« Reply #324 on: April 27, 2007, 08:58:40 AM »
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Not true!  A quick call does verify something, but that something is the fact that not a single teacher on staff is licensed.  Don't try to bullshit anyone!

Also, in order to be licensed, one must have a master's degree in the subject to be taught and teachers cannot be cross-utilized because it's a license violation.

ASR's teachers are all cross-utilized and don't have master's degrees in the subjects they teach.  Not to mention not a single one has a license on file or an interim license.

My wife is a licensed teacher in Conn, Mass and NY.  Her licenses are on file and quite easiliy verified.

Please name the teachers you claim are licensed and provide their license numbers.  If you don't, we can assume you're lying about it.


Are you nuts?  Who is going to put someones name and licensed number on the internet without their permission except someone like Deborah?
If anyone wants to find out about a school or their teachers all someone needs to do is call the DOE in the state or the high school and inquire.
Its not information you verify on fornits.
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« Reply #325 on: April 27, 2007, 09:06:11 AM »
It's public record, darling.  That's sort of the REASON for having licenses to teach, isn't it?  To make public record of qualifications?And all of their names are already posted on the internet on ASR's website!  Direct you anger at ASR for posting those names, not fornits.  So silly and untruthful of you!

Caught another little liar in a whopper!  Ha, ha, ha...  Nice try though!
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« Reply #326 on: April 27, 2007, 09:11:28 AM »
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Who is going to put someones name and licensed number on the internet without their permission except someone like Deborah?


TheWho (you :D) posted the names of the social workers right in this thread!  Didn't see you getting mad when you thought it was to your advantage...  Ha, ha, ha...

The REAL reason you won't post them is because you can't!  Ha, ha, ha...  So desperate and untruthful...
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« Reply #327 on: April 27, 2007, 09:17:49 AM »
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Not true!  A quick call does verify something, but that something is the fact that not a single teacher on staff is licensed.  Don't try to bullshit anyone!

Also, in order to be licensed, one must have a master's degree in the subject to be taught and teachers cannot be cross-utilized because it's a license violation.

ASR's teachers are all cross-utilized and don't have master's degrees in the subjects they teach.  Not to mention not a single one has a license on file or an interim license.

My wife is a licensed teacher in Conn, Mass and NY.  Her licenses are on file and quite easiliy verified.

Please name the teachers you claim are licensed and provide their license numbers.  If you don't, we can assume you're lying about it.


someone is not being truthful again, I have to do all the work.. you dont need a Masters degree.  
Parents, you cannot believe anything you hear on this thread.  Each and every time I need to research and expose the lies.

Here take a look, only a Bachelors degree is needed:

http://www.doe.mass.edu/Educators/e_lic ... ection=k12
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« Reply #328 on: April 27, 2007, 09:42:17 AM »
Ha, ha, ha...  Too much!  This is for a temporary or initial license and is only one of menay requirements that you conveniently ommitted!  Ha, ha, ha...

See:
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Professional License - An educator license issued to a person who has met the requirements for an Initial license, completed a Performance Assessment Program or an appropriate master's degree program, and met other requirements.

Once again, these nitpicky items would only matter, if ASR had licensed teachers!

Honestly, what difference is there if none are licensed anyway?  You can't provide any proof of licensure at all, even though it's public record!  Let's try to stay on topic...  Ha, ha, ha...

These are the actual requirements:

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Massachusetts general requirements
     Possession of an Initial license for this field and at this grade level.
     At least three full years of employment under the Initial license including completion of a one-year induction program with a mentor and 50 hours of mentored experience beyond the induction year.
     
One of the following:
      For those who have completed any master's or higher degree or other advanced graduate program, not described in 603 CMR 7.04 (2) (b) 5, b, in an accredited college or university, the completion of an approved non-degree 12 credit Professional licensure program for this field and at this grade level. or
Completion of an approved district based program for the Professional License sought as set forth in 603 CMR 7.03(2) (b) 1, a. or
Completion of a master's degree program or other advanced graduate program in the academic discipline appropriate to the license sought in a graduate or professional school other than education in an accredited college or university. or
Programs leading to eligibility for master teacher status, such as those sponsored by the National Board for Professional Teaching Standards and others accepted by the Commissioner for this field at the appropriate grade level. or
Possession of a Professional teacher license in another field or
Completion of an approved master's degree program or other advanced graduate program for this field at the appropriate grade level. or
For those who have completed any master's or higher degree or other advanced graduate program, not described in 603 CMR 7.04 (2) (b) 5, b, in an accredited college or university, the completion of 12 credits of graduate level courses in the academic discipline appropriate to the instructional field of the Professional license sought; these may include credits earned prior to application for the license. or
Completion of a Department-sponsored Performance Assessment Program for this field at the appropriate grade level.


https://www4.doemass.org/elar/licensure ... .next=next

Again, none of this "academic discussion" changes the fact that none of ASR's teachers hold licenses!  Ha, ha, ha...

Now quit yer cryin' and face the facts!
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« Reply #329 on: April 27, 2007, 09:44:40 AM »
I dont believe you.  Post her name and licensed number here on fornits so we can verify you are telling the truth.
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