ASR

[Troll Control]

Aww....  Don't cry and change the subject!  My credibility isn't an issue, yours and ASR's are!  Ha, ha, ha...

You claimed licensed teachers, now back it up!  Their names have already been published by ASR (get mad at them for putting it out there, not me!), so just prove what you're saying by linking their license numbers to their names!

I'll be waiting for your proof!  Thanks!  Ha, ha, ha...

[TheWho]

The guest just provided a link to the requirements which shows you dont need a Masters degree to teach in Massachusetts.  You were proven wrong, again.  You seem to be the one upset.

ASR has licensed teachers, we have called and verified.  If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

It appears ASR is in good standing with the state because there are no complaints against them.

These are the facts, there has been no evidence to the contrary.

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AnonWho:

You need a lesson in debate and philosophy.  It's never a requirement to prove a negative!  I would think someone who claims a college education should know that!  Ha, ha, ha...

However, you are unable to provide a shred of evidence to support your claim, other than "I called ASR" :roll:   For shame, holding out an alleged call to a non-verifiable source as "proof" - you wouldn't do well in court, sir!

Anyway, as was said before, and as posted above, the rules for licensure are clear and the state maintains the databse of licensed teachers, and none of ASR's teachers are licensed!

Like I said, if you have objectively verifiable evidence, just post it and I'll concede the point.  If you really want me to stop saying ASR has only unlicensed teachers on their payroll simply provide their license numbers!

I'll be waiting for your next evasion and be ready to help you refocus!  Take your ritilin, finish your morning scotch and post the license numbers!  Ha, ha, ha...

[TheWho]

You need a lesson in debate and philosophy. It's never a requirement to prove a negative!

Yes it is , If you make the claim.

Let me give you an example: (I have a suspicion who you are and may not understand the logic, but here goes)

Say, you stated that every teacher in the town of Newton Massachusetts were unlicensed.  The onus isn’t on me to prove you wrong and do research on every teacher.  You will have to back up your claims or abandon them.

The same with ASR.  They are a high school in Massachusetts, they give out diplomas like any other high school.  If someone feels they have no licensed teachers they need to provide that information.  I am not even sure why anyone would make up such a story to begin with.  It is unfounded and a smear against the school.

I have provided numbers for the parents to call to verify this, there is no reason to convince each other

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AnonWho:

You need a lesson in debate and philosophy.  It's never a requirement to prove a negative!  I would think someone who claims a college education should know that!  Ha, ha, ha...

However, you are unable to provide a shred of evidence to support your claim, other than "I called ASR" :roll:   For shame, holding out an alleged call to a non-verifiable source as "proof" - you wouldn't do well in court, sir!

Anyway, as was said before, and as posted above, the rules for licensure are clear and the state maintains the databse of licensed teachers, and none of ASR's teachers are licensed!

Like I said, you won't because you [/i]can't[/i]!

Demanding proof of a negative is a logical fallacy.  Back to school for you!  Ha, ha, ha...

Like I said, if you have objectively verifiable evidence, just post it and I'll concede the point.  If you really want me to stop saying ASR has only unlicensed teachers on their payroll simply provide their license numbers!

I'll be waiting for your next evasion and be ready to help you refocus!  Take your ritilin, finish your morning scotch and post the license numbers!  Ha, ha, ha...

[Troll Control]

Ooopsie!  Caught with your pants down again!  Ha, ha, ha...

The fallacy of appealing to lack of proof of the negative is a logical fallacy of the following form:

"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."

It is asserted that a proposition is true, only because it has not been proven false.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:      

Back to (an accredited :wink: ) school for you!

[RobertBruce]

Now this is interesting.

ASR never applied for this status and therefore the laws and regulations beyond this do not apply. So they are classified, by the state, as a Special ed school. But never sought approval in order to receive public funding because they want to stay private. Call the number above.

There's TheWho verifying ASR was never approved as a special education program. Yet when I look at the ASR website it had this to say.

The School operates under the approval of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Education through the Mohawk Trails Regional School District, and is a candidate for accreditation through the New England Association of Schools and Colleges.

Now how can they be approved and not approved at the same time? Let me guess, a hybrid? Or perhaps ASR is lying to the parents about the fact they were never approved as anything.

Thanks for your help in exposing this Cindy. Youve finally contributed something.

[RobertBruce]

ASR teachers

DuBois, Dan

Perry, Eve

Towles, Michelle

Onafowokan, Abi

VanderHeld, David

Allen, D. Keller

Lahoski, Jennifer

Wolk, Joshua

Wallender, Jon

Williams, Greg

And there we have it. All the teachers at ASR. It appears that several of them do have their Masters. The question now becomes are any of them licensed?

[RobertBruce]

Yes, but the truth can be heard thru one phone call.  I called and the teachers are licensed, as thewho said.  Also the school is in good standing with the state.  No violations or complaints.

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588

Cindy why are you talking about yourself in the third person again? Get help for this soon. I think your MPD is really starting to become a major issue.

As to your other personalities claim it is again erroneus. Perhaps youve read the article thats been posted here a few times? The one which details complaints that were made against ASR to the state.

Read up on it and then get back to us.

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ASR teachers

DuBois, Dan

Perry, Eve

Towles, Michelle

Onafowokan, Abi

VanderHeld, David

Allen, D. Keller

Lahoski, Jennifer

Wolk, Joshua

Wallender, Jon

Williams, Greg

And there we have it. All the teachers at ASR. It appears that several of them do have their Masters. The question now becomes are any of them licensed?

Don't forget the masters degrees must be in the subject being taught.  I don't believe that's the case with any of these people, but you'd need to verify through the ASR website.  For example, one has an engineering degree and teaches math.  This is disallowed under licensure rules.

Also, ASR does not appear in the MTRSD Comprehensive Report for 2007 so it appears they aren't any longer affiliated.

[TheWho]

It took everyone long enough to get to this point (its like going 10 miles to get to the end of a 1 mile road), but many people tried to take us off topic.
We had to go thru the same thing to settle the fact that ASR has licensed counselors, so here we are again.

So lets conclude:

The School operates under the approval of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Education through the Mohawk Trails Regional School District, and is a candidate for accreditation through the New England Association of Schools and Colleges.

So their school is approved by the state as a high school as mention above.  Part of the approval process is to verify, as a minimum, that the educators meet standards, which they do if approval was given.  They are able to give out diplomas and 100% the children who graduate from ASR move on to the college of their choice.  Pretty impressive statistics.

So as far as the state is concerned ASR is meeting or exceeding all the requirements put before them.  If anyone suspects a teacher is not suitable for their position a complaint should be filed with the DOE and they will follow-up.
Presently there are no complaints against ASR.

[Troll Control]

TheWho said:

"So their school is approved by the state as a high school as mention above. Part of the approval process is to verify, as a minimum, that the educators meet standards, which they do if approval was given. They are able to give out diplomas..."

Actually, the state classifies them as a "special Education School," not a "high school," and they are not on the approved list.  In fact, they're the only Special Education School in the entire state that remains unapproved!  Nce try though, ha, ha, ha...

See ASR's unapproved status here:

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588

As far as diplomas are concerned, anyone can give one out!  But the fact is that ASR is an unaccredited school and is legally barred from issuing state diplomas.

Can you smell the desperation???

[Troll Control]

And they no longer appear in the Mohawk Trails Regional School District's Comprehensive Report for 2007, so it looks as if that "affiliation" has been terminated...

[TheWho]

Thewho is right.  The link you provided shows clearly that ASR teaches grades 9, 10 , 11 and 12 just like any other high school in the state.

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588

Look at the bottom where the State of Massachusetts states what grades are offered.  Last time I checked  grades 9 thru 12 was considred high school.

[Troll Control]

Well, since you are TheWho, it seems silly to refer to yourself in the third person, ha, ha, ha, but it's informative to know you need to pretend to be multiple people (or, is it as RB said and you have MPD, or as Cassandra said, and you are just an extremely heavy drinker? :wink: ).

But, whatever.  No matter.  Since ASR claims to teach 9, 10, 11, and 12 then I guess I can accept your claim that they are an Unapproved Special Education High School, even though the state just calls them an "Unapproved Special Education School".

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/home.asp?m ... t=2&o=2588

Glad we got that settled!  Ha, ha, ha...