ASR

[TheWho]

Anyone that has been in a debate or pulled their chair up to a meeting may understand or recognize that something is missing........ take a look at the last several pages .........Give it a few minutes ... Take your time............................................................................................................................................ Okay times up, what did you see?  Nothing?.... you mean the table is empty?   No requirements?  No documentation?  So what are they all referring to, what law?  We have all been listening to chin music all day.  People citing this happened, this is required, that is required.  But when asked to provide the requirements we hear crickets.  They all know ASR meets the requirements and the laws of Massachusetts. They are trying to use laws that apply to a mental hospital and apply it to ASR , which they are not.


Bottom line, take what you read here and ask the school when you call and say you heard it on Fornits, don’t panic they didn’t hang up on you, they need to clear their throats maybe....... and then ask away.  They will clear up any concerns you have.

[RobertBruce]

Desperation in its purest form.

[psy]

Anyone that has been in a debate or pulled their chair up to a meeting may understand or recognize that something is missing........ take a look at the last several pages .........Give it a few minutes ... Take your time............................................................................................................................................ Okay times up, what did you see?  Nothing?.... you mean the table is empty?   No requirements?  No documentation?  So what are they all referring to, what law?  We have all been listening to chin music all day.  People citing this happened, this is required, that is required.  But when asked to provide the requirements we hear crickets.  They all know ASR meets the requirements and the laws of Massachusetts. They are trying to use laws that apply to a mental hospital and apply it to ASR , which they are not.


Bottom line, take what you read here and ask the school when you call and say you heard it on Fornits, don’t panic they didn’t hang up on you, they need to clear their throats maybe....... and then ask away.  They will clear up any concerns you have.

and make sure you tell them you're recording the conversation...  then the silence will be genuine.

[Troll Control]

We reviewed the law.  Here's the update (moved from another thread):

You are correct, Robert.

"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.

It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.

This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.

So this puts this issue to rest.  Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it.  Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation.  You've incriminated them.  They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!

You were saying, Who? :roll:

What Who says makes a lot of sense.  ASR was cited by OCCS for breaking the very law TheWho says they are in compliance with.

It is funny though to watch him sink down into the abyss of meaninglessness.  He has no relevence at all.  He's been caught out there with documented evidence that ASR has already been busted by the state for restricting communications of juveniles without a court order.  It's cut and dried - no "interpretation" or "research" or "examination" is required.  ASR was already busted for it and now Who has a big poopy in his diaper and is throwing a fit because he was proven to be lying yet again.

Grow up, Who.  And change your didy - it stinks!

[TheWho]

He's been caught out there with documented evidence

The old, Documented evidence without the documents statement.  This is getting old....show us the Documents

[Troll Control]

He's been caught out there with documented evidence

The old, Documented evidence without the documents statement.  This is getting old....show us the Documents

Ha,Ha,Ha...  I'm not going to do your busy work.  If you have documents that show otherwise, post them.

We have already established these facts and I think everyone is comfortable with where we're at in this debate:

[/u]"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."[/u]

Sorry, Who, but these are the facts.  I guess you can take it up with OCCS and investigator Lieberman and try to change the records Ha,Ha,Ha...

[Troll Control]

Ha,Ha,Ha...  I'm not going to do your busy work.  If you have documents that show otherwise, post them.

We have already established these facts and I think everyone is comfortable with where we're at in this debate:

[/u]"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."[/u]

Sorry, Who, but these are the facts.  I guess you can take it up with OCCS and investigator Lieberman and try to change the records Ha,Ha,Ha...

I know you get mad mad about this, Who, but you can't change history and the state's records to suit your agenda...Ha,Ha,Ha.  You'll have to take this up with the state if you don't like their ruling, not fornits!  Do your own work, I'm not going to do it for you.  Ha,Ha, Ha...

[TheWho]

This is so typical when they have no evidence:

The old, Documented evidence without the documents statement. This is getting old....show us the Documents

[Troll Control]

The evidence is that ASR has already been cited for it.  They're repeat offenders!

[TheWho]

The evidence is that ASR has already been cited for it.  They're repeat offenders!

Show the citation then and lets end this already.  People are starting not to believe you.

[Troll Control]

I already provided the link to the news story.  If you want to call the reporter and the Valley Advocate liars, take it up with them.  Massachusetts does not provide online databasing, so it can't be had over the internet.

Sorry, but the facts are facts.  OCCS visited ASR and found two violations, as reported in the article.  One for humiliating behavior modification, sleep deprivation and physical punishment and one for restricting communications.

If you don't like the results of their investigation, then go to OCCS and complain.  I'm just the middleman providing the newspaper article.  My credibility is not an issue.  You are saying you don't believe the reporter (nobody asked for a retraction!).  Write her an email or call her and confront her if that's what you need to do.

Read it yourself and tell Ms. Kraft you don't believe her.

http://cafety.org/index2.php?option=com ... f=1&id=279

[Troll Control]

So this is where we're at on this issue.  Unless somebody can provide evidence that the reporter is lying, we'll have to go with it.

I think everyone agrees that ASR did break the law and was cited for breaking it (except TheWho, who's in iraq looking for the WMD's!  Ha, Ha, Ha...just kidding)

Ha,Ha,Ha...  I'm not going to do your busy work.  If you have documents that show otherwise, post them.

We have already established these facts and I think everyone is comfortable with where we're at in this debate:

[/u]"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."[/u]

Sorry, Who, but these are the facts.  I guess you can take it up with OCCS and investigator Lieberman and try to change the records Ha,Ha,Ha...

I know you get mad mad about this, Who, but you can't change history and the state's records to suit your agenda...Ha,Ha,Ha.  You'll have to take this up with the state if you don't like their ruling, not fornits!  Do your own work, I'm not going to do it for you.  Ha,Ha, Ha...

[psy]

So this is where we're at on this issue.  Unless somebody can provide evidence that the reporter is lying

Well gee.. Don't cha think ASR would have sued em for Libel if the information was incorrect... it's not like programs hesitate to do that...  Just check out dchfans...

[TheWho]

So this is where we're at on this issue.  Unless somebody can provide evidence that the reporter is lying

Well gee.. Don't cha think ASR would have sued em for Libel if the information was incorrect... it's not like programs hesitate to do that...  Just check out dchfans...

Well your right, psy, thats why it doesn’t add up.  No one has seen this report yet.  If a school does get citied it puts them on the "Fast Track" for follow-up inspections if a problem is found and they are put under a microscope.  If any violations did occur it was probably at start-up (as most of them are because often they are not familiar with the details of the local requirements when they set-up shop) and quickly adjusted to bring them within requirements.  But if changes were not made "Over night" we would of heard more about these allegations.


Just doesn’t pass the sniff test for me……………  But I will wait to see what evidence is brought to the table.

[Troll Control]

I already provided the link to the news story.  If you want to call the reporter and the Valley Advocate liars, take it up with them.  Massachusetts does not provide online databasing, so it can't be had over the internet.

Sorry, but the facts are facts.  OCCS visited ASR and found two violations, as reported in the article.  One for humiliating behavior modification, sleep deprivation and physical punishment and one for restricting communications.

If you don't like the results of their investigation, then go to OCCS and complain.  I'm just the middleman providing the newspaper article.  My credibility is not an issue.  You are saying you don't believe the reporter (nobody asked for a retraction!).  Write her an email or call her and confront her if that's what I want you to do.

Read it yourself and tell Ms. Kraft you don't believe her.

http://cafety.org/index2.php?option=com ... f=1&id=279

This is the evidence.  Two citations for two major laws on one visit.

We have come to agreement that these events did happen, as reopted by the Valley Advocate.  If someone is looking to disprove these facts, they're going to need some documentation showing this report is incorrect.  Until that emerges, we'll go with what we know for sure already - two citations for breaking the law in regard to students' rights.

Don't lose sleep over it Who...Ha,Ha,Ha....You seem really agitated that you can't rewrite history, but you'll have to learn to deal with it in a more healthy way.  This obsession you have for posting stuff with no information that refutes this report is wearing on you.  Have a drink.......Relax........Take it easy.... Ha,Ha,Ha....