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« Reply #150 on: February 15, 2007, 03:03:40 PM »
Anecdotes do not constitute statistical efficacy, Who. This is widely known, and it's not going to fly here.
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« Reply #151 on: February 15, 2007, 03:11:19 PM »
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Anecdotes do not constitute statistical efficacy, Who. This is widely known, and it's not going to fly here.


I looked back at the other posts and didnt see any statistics there either.  Does this apply to everyone?
I was sharing my experience, why so pissy?
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« Reply #152 on: February 15, 2007, 03:51:14 PM »
You have no experience.
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« Reply #153 on: February 15, 2007, 04:00:22 PM »
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Anecdotes do not constitute statistical efficacy, Who. This is widely known, and it's not going to fly here.

I looked back at the other posts and didnt see any statistics there either.  Does this apply to everyone?
I was sharing my experience, why so pissy?


Because you said "If a kid shows up at football practice high or drunk and gets kicked off the team, then that will be a deterrent for the others.", which is an ASSERTION (with no basis other than anecdotal evidence) which you spoke in a conversation about deterrance, yet there is actual statistics proving that punishment-deterrance does not work.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what is it?
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« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2007, 04:48:49 PM »
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Anecdotes do not constitute statistical efficacy, Who. This is widely known, and it's not going to fly here.

I looked back at the other posts and didnt see any statistics there either.  Does this apply to everyone?
I was sharing my experience, why so pissy?

Because you said "If a kid shows up at football practice high or drunk and gets kicked off the team, then that will be a deterrent for the others.", which is an ASSERTION (with no basis other than anecdotal evidence) which you spoke in a conversation about deterrance, yet there is actual statistics proving that punishment-deterrance does not work.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what is it?


Its not just an assertion, this was an example of what I have experienced.  I didn?t base my opinion or conclusions based on this one event.  You believe something different and claim they are backed by statistics, that is fine, Niles.
I see it differently as do many other people.  Punishment is and has been an effective means to deal with kids especially in a group setting.  There may be more effective and less effective methods depending on the group or situation but as a whole punishment is effective...I just cant agree with you on this one.
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« Reply #155 on: February 15, 2007, 08:29:34 PM »
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Its not just an assertion, this was an example of what I have experienced.

It's not piss, it's rain! Its not JUST an assertion, its anecdotal!


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I didn?t base my opinion or conclusions based on this one event.

Yes you did.

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You believe something different and claim they are backed by statistics, that is fine, Niles.

Welcome to the educated world! Hint: that's how science works as well.

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I see it differently as do many other people.

You can't define what is true or not by consensus, that's called 'truthyness', or 'bullshit' depending on what tone you wish to use with the person who thinks that just because a lot of people think something is true, taht it is.

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Punishment is and has been an effective means to deal with kids especially in a group setting.

Says who, YOU? That is ANOTHER bullshit assertion! You're not an expert and you lack research or data to suggest that what you say is true, its just an empty statement. Just because someone says so does not make it true!

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There may be more effective and less effective methods depending on the group or situation but as a whole punishment is effective...I just cant agree with you on this one.


Who cares? You're obviously unable to debate or seperate fact from fiction, wishful thinking from hypothesis and you have no concept of data, data collection, or what empiricism is!
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« Reply #156 on: February 15, 2007, 08:38:36 PM »
wow this is a deep philosophical discussion ubt as with most of the conversations here nothing gets decided.  this place reminds me of the "argument shop" from monty python!!!!
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« Reply #157 on: February 15, 2007, 09:17:57 PM »
There is no decision to make except for TheWho's ability to accept fact and truth, or not.

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« Reply #158 on: February 16, 2007, 02:00:02 AM »
but it seems that there are no true facs here.  there is only heresay on both sides.  no one seems to have any true up to date facts abou this place.  i dunno but it seems all threads except for HLA seem ot off point
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« Reply #159 on: February 16, 2007, 02:01:22 AM »
Appadavits, decades of consistent accusations of abuse, closed programs with findings consistent with the accusations, psychological studies, links by association, and published deaths.

Hum, I guess those don't count?
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« Reply #160 on: February 16, 2007, 09:47:43 AM »
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wow this is a deep philosophical discussion ubt as with most of the conversations here nothing gets decided. this place reminds me of the "argument shop" from monty python!!!!


Yea, I know!!!  Parenting has been going on for thousands of years and now Niles insists he has proof it doesn?t work!!!  Where would any of us be if we were not held accountable for our actions?.. I don?t think we need to fund a study for that one!!
Punishment worked thousands of years ago and it works today?.you hit your brother you get time out??. You steal from the cookie jar you lose dessert?..you break a window, you have to pay for it!!!
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« Reply #161 on: February 16, 2007, 10:53:37 AM »
What the hell would you know about parenting, anyway? You had to pay other people to do it. Couldn't hurt your daughter enough yourself or what?
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« Reply #162 on: February 16, 2007, 10:56:03 AM »
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What the hell would you know about parenting, anyway? You had to pay other people to do it. Couldn't hurt your daughter enough yourself or what?



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« Reply #163 on: February 16, 2007, 09:59:33 PM »
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wow this is a deep philosophical discussion ubt as with most of the conversations here nothing gets decided. this place reminds me of the "argument shop" from monty python!!!!

Yea, I know!!!  Parenting has been going on for thousands of years and now Niles insists he has proof it doesn?t work!!!  Where would any of us be if we were not held accountable for our actions?.. I don?t think we need to fund a study for that one!!
Punishment worked thousands of years ago and it works today?.you hit your brother you get time out??. You steal from the cookie jar you lose dessert?..you break a window, you have to pay for it!!!


Nice try.

You said "punishments work". I said "prove it".

Still waiting.
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« Reply #164 on: February 16, 2007, 11:23:19 PM »
You're not asking the troll to post more fucked numbers, are you?

Asking a programmie for parenting advice is like asking a fish for running techniques.
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