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You're not asking the troll to post more fucked numbers, are you?Asking a programmie for parenting advice is like asking a fish for running techniques.
The Who is pretty darned narcissistic, and his self-focus is making it tough for information about ASR to actually be in the thread about ASR.Which I'm sure is just exactly what he wants.He's a troll.Julie
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""What the hell would you know about parenting, anyway? You had to pay other people to do it. Couldn't hurt your daughter enough yourself or what?
What the hell would you know about parenting, anyway? You had to pay other people to do it. Couldn't hurt your daughter enough yourself or what?
Quote from: ""TheWho""Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""What the hell would you know about parenting, anyway? You had to pay other people to do it. Couldn't hurt your daughter enough yourself or what?What don't you understand about the questions?
Well, you did put her directly into Rudy Bentz' hands and paid for it, so I can see where Milk would say you paid someone else to hurt your child, as Rudy is a seasoned child abuser with a long, long history, abundantly documented by vast and sundry people from coast to coast (literally).
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""Well, you did put her directly into Rudy Bentz' hands and paid for it, so I can see where Milk would say you paid someone else to hurt your child, as Rudy is a seasoned child abuser with a long, long history, abundantly documented by vast and sundry people from coast to coast (literally).Smearing people over here now? Still feeding your personal needs....See thats what I am saying DJ, stay focused on regulation and the kids....put your anger and hatred aside and focus on the task we talked about.
Oh, We didnt see this on the ASR web site so how can we believe it?I think this was your condition right? Ha,Ha,
Quote from: ""TheWho""Oh, We didnt see this on the ASR web site so how can we believe it?I think this was your condition right? Ha,Ha,I don't care what you believe. You already admitted to me that you know about the manslaughter and you still sent your kid to be abused by him.You're a great parent, Who. Good job.And my "condition" was that I would only use current staff listed on the website because that is the only data that ASR is holding out. You, on the other hand, just make it up as you go along...
Dysfunction JunctionProlific contributorJoined: 06 Mar 2005Posts: 2529Location: Measured Reason, USA Posted: 17 Apr 2007 21:11 Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TheWho wrote: Quote: We all know these places don't resemble high schools We do? Quote: For now, I'll have to go with the reports of attendees and a former staff member that there is indeed no phone to report abuse rather than your speculation about the matter. The staff member may be right, he knows more than I do if he worked there. I didn’t see where I was speculating, just passing along what I know. I don’t see a problem with their set up, personally, it seems to work well for the kids and the parents. I think what many kids would like is more phone time not privacy, is the feed back I have heard. If they feel they are being unfairly treated they should tell their parents when they talk to them. If someone feels this falls short of a standard it should be brought to someone’s attention to get it clarified, so they can be comfortable with it, I don’t see this as a big deal to resolve. OK, this is what I wanted to know and for you to enumerate. Even if it's illegal to treat children this way, it's fine with you. If you feel otherwise, then who better to resolve it than you? You are the one that has hooks in ASR - ask them for a response and post the abuse hotline number if they have one. "I know it's illegal, but I won't lift a finger to get it resolved or up to code"? What happened to caring about the kids' legal rights? Once more, it's the law that any child in treatment must have access to a free phone to report abuse. You are saying it's OK with you and you condone (or at least won't bother to look into it) that the children aren't being treated in accordance with the law. Thank you at least for admitting it to us._________________"Compassion is the basis of morality." -Arnold Schopenhauer
just thought this admission should be archived in the proper location. this was copied from another thread.QuoteDysfunction JunctionProlific contributorJoined: 06 Mar 2005Posts: 2529Location: Measured Reason, USA Posted: 17 Apr 2007 21:11 Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TheWho wrote: Quote: We all know these places don't resemble high schools We do? Quote: For now, I'll have to go with the reports of attendees and a former staff member that there is indeed no phone to report abuse rather than your speculation about the matter. The staff member may be right, he knows more than I do if he worked there. I didn’t see where I was speculating, just passing along what I know. I don’t see a problem with their set up, personally, it seems to work well for the kids and the parents. I think what many kids would like is more phone time not privacy, is the feed back I have heard. If they feel they are being unfairly treated they should tell their parents when they talk to them. If someone feels this falls short of a standard it should be brought to someone’s attention to get it clarified, so they can be comfortable with it, I don’t see this as a big deal to resolve. OK, this is what I wanted to know and for you to enumerate. Even if it's illegal to treat children this way, it's fine with you. If you feel otherwise, then who better to resolve it than you? You are the one that has hooks in ASR - ask them for a response and post the abuse hotline number if they have one. "I know it's illegal, but I won't lift a finger to get it resolved or up to code"? What happened to caring about the kids' legal rights? Once more, it's the law that any child in treatment must have access to a free phone to report abuse. You are saying it's OK with you and you condone (or at least won't bother to look into it) that the children aren't being treated in accordance with the law. Thank you at least for admitting it to us._________________"Compassion is the basis of morality." -Arnold Schopenhauer :cry: :cry: :cry: program supporters like this simply don't care if the kids are being treated illegally or not. it doesn't matter to them at all. this is a damning indictment of this program supporter. and it's very sad for his child and those that are still there that parents would turn a blind eye to the law.
You are correct, Robert.Quote"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said. It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.So this puts this issue to rest. Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it. Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation. You've incriminated them. They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!You were saying, Who? :roll:
"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said. It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.
