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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2006, 12:02:00 AM »
It is real, it was copy/pasted from struggling trolls.
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2006, 12:31:00 AM »
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Leslie, I worked at a winderness/residential program and there was a very similar situation with a mother and her son.  He would take any crumbs he could get from his father, and his mother, who did everything, was there for him and supported him through everything was always treated as the "enemy."  He blamed her for everything, even though the one time he lived with his dad, it lasted for two weeks before his dad sent him back to his mom.  Much of the way he treated and viewed his mom was through his dad's lack of responsibility - never being the support, only being the fun dad who goes on short fishing trips, etc... doing the easy stuff.  But the mom would continue to take him back, try to make things better, panic about his poor decisions, and be hurt by his criticsm of her.  I can't imagine how difficult that is as a mom who has put everything into her son, but she also had to come to the realization that he was an adult and she was allowing him to treat her that way.  She's very sweet and we're still in touch on occassion.  I'm not sure how her son is doing right now, but she's taking care of herself and that's the first message i think that needs to be sent.  he would play the game between her and her ex and make her feel bad about moving on because it created the triangle he needed to not grow up (his dad taking virtually no responsibility and his mom taking too much responsibility).  The sooner he learns that that game doesn't work, the better.  Again, i can't imagine how difficult it must be, but the best advice i can give is to show him that you're going to take care of yourself and not destroy your own social life and well being just for him to go on being a child.  if he doesn't want to live in a dorm, be straight forward with him - instead of focusing on it being a poor decision, tell him that if he's going to make that decision, it will bge his responsibility to find a job, figure out what to do, and grow up... and that you're not going to be his backbone.  That you support him and love him but you won't support him making poor decisions for himself... and show him that you're moving on.  If he has something to say about your boyfriend who he hasn't met, tell him you're happy and that's the end of the story.  if he persists just to get under your skin, tell him you're ending the conversation and hang up or walk away.  i wouldn't let the conversation go beyond the first comment he makes, because 1, it does no good to engage him in the conversation, and 2, I want you to take care of your own feelings as well.  i hope this helps.    


It is typical that the focus is on the parent's well being and not the child's. But this advice is bullshit.

Of course the boy is going to react negatively to any man in his Mom's house. That is the normal reaction with divorced parents. Despite the divorce, they still see their Mom/Dad being replaced and don't like it. This is a fear reaction. He fears how this may affect his place in your heart. He may not even be aware of this reaction and consciously think he doesn't like the newcomer. Just reassure the boy that your new man will not affect or negate your relationship with him. Reassure him he is still very important to you and let it go at that. Don't respond to any negative remarks he makes about your new man. Don't fee into it.

Don't over react to the boy siding with his Dad about the ticket mix up. This sounds like a minor miscommunication turning into something bigger than it is. Greg sounds immature, but hey, being out of social circulation at wilderness / TBS is likely to leave one socially backward. Just request the facts and if he brings up his Dad, say Dad has nothing to do with this, you just want reconfirmation of some flight numbers.

Focus on the positive. The kid wants to go to college and move on with his life. Encourage that. Encourage him in a positive way even when it means sucking it in sometimes and he will return the favor. You get what you give in any relationship. If you criticize, you will receive criticism. If you attack him, he will become defensive. If you react (over react) to his attacks towards you, you will only encourage him. You are the parent and must remain composed and in charge no matter what. That is how you gain the boy's trust. If you love and encourage, you will receive the same in response. That's just human nature. It's funny how we can treat family with less respect than we would treat total strangers.

When he starts college, tell him you love him and are proud of him. Tell him you know he will do just fine. That will mean more to him than the stupid car his Dad bribed him with. Your presence and Dad's absence at his graduation will also speak volumes.

Do not disengage yourself from your son's life. That will get you nothing. You will just lose each other.

And one last thing. Even when your son is saying, "I hate you!" Know this is just immature anger. He doesn't hate you. Show me a teenager that doesn't give his parents a difficult time and I'll show you a teenager that is not the epitome of mental health. Think of this as a challenge, not a disaster.
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« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2006, 08:06:00 AM »
"He doesn't hate you."

Yes he does.

I hate her, and I barely even know the cunt. How do you think he must feel?
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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2006, 10:30:00 AM »
Well, fortunately, not everyone is as disgusting, vulgar and hateful as you are.
Do you ever take a look at yourself and how you appear to others. What a sorry excuse for a person.
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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2006, 12:21:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-29 05:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

""He doesn't hate you."



Yes he does.



I hate her, and I barely even know the cunt. How do you think he must feel?"


Here at Fornit's we are very quick to forgive misbehaving youth because of the messed up way their parents treated them, but what about the messed up adults?

Yes, this Mom has issues. We are diagnosing these issues based on a posting or two. We could be misled.

My family had issues, too. My Mom was mentally ill and spent time in mental hospitals during my childhood. As a child, this was devastating to me and had profound effect on my development. Mom was laughing at jokes I could not hear and talking to people I could not see. It is not funny when you're five. Was it my Mom's fault? I don't think so.

Maybe Greg needs to understand some things about his Mother. She has panic attacks and takes medications for psychological issues. Maybe he needs to come to understand that these can be real issues, they have nothing to do with him, and he get past his own anger and deal with it. Greg is 18, an adult, it's time for him to take on that role.

My family was negligent in that there was no counseling or explanations to the kids. The adults pretended everything was fine. They tried to protect us (the kids) by hiding what they could from us. It was a poor strategy. As a result, I did not learn the specifics about my Mom's illness until I was an adult and did not develop a good relationship with her until I was in my 30s.

I'm not a shrink, but at least I'm trying to help. What are you doing?
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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2006, 12:41:00 PM »
Bad parent, and the kid suffers... happens all the time, and they make up the market for these shitholes in the first place.
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2006, 07:59:00 PM »
From the armchair perspective the issue here isn't so much that the dad is going to be replaced
it is that Greg is going to be replaced. She developed the same kind of relationship with the son that she did with the dad. The reason he backs his father is because she was unable to protect herself in a physically and psychologically abusive relationship. Therefore she was unable to protect him. She sacrificed the emotional health of her child becuase of her neediness. Greg replaced the dad in tending to this womans emotional needs but with only the resources of a child. The thing he despises is her weakness and vulnerability. Greg was doubley abandoned, by both his mother and his father. His mother emotionaly abandoned him, and his father physically abandoned him. Greg knows what kind of men this woman attracts. He has seen it all his life. Why should he want to give up his power and meet his replacement? Why should this man be any differant than what she has attracted before? What I would say is that at least the mother met Gregs physical needs. That counts for something. The father is absolute SCUM.

She ought to read Neurosis and Human Growth by Karen Horney, particularly "The Appeal of Masachism." This mother needs to be in therapy as many times a week as she can afford.
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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2006, 10:01:00 PM »
Well...
People keep telling me I'm too nice; always giving people the benefit of the doubt.
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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2006, 08:04:00 AM »
Thanks Atomic Ant, I totally agree with you, with just about everything you say to me, and I appreciate your taking the time to write back to me.  Interestingly enough, I am the only one going to his High School graduation, his Father is not going, now I think that is bad.  
Thanks again!
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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2006, 08:11:00 AM »
"The father is absolute SCUM"  Yes he is!!  

Also, there is no need for the son to meet the new bf, since the son is never going to live where the mom does, they will prob. never meet, and she is never getting married again.  Her son is extremely important in her life and will always be.
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« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2006, 12:12:00 AM »
Your pain makes me hungry! I'm hungry for pain! Your death is mine motherfucker! Don't even try to escape! Because you're mine! You are all mine! You're all in my thoughts! I will peel you like a potato! I will take out your brains and throw them to my dogs! Oh shit, you're gonna die! I'm gonna peel off your toenails like they were... cupcakes! Like they were... twinkies! You're dead, motherfucker! My life is nothing but to kill you! Revenge is mine! My words make you wanna scream like a dead dog dying from anger-- and pain-- of a dead dog! Uhhhhhh... We're gonna kick some ass tonite, motherfucker! Life! Life is mine! I take you with me! I take you, I crumble you up, I wad you into a little ball! Death picks it's teeth with your head! Life! Life is mine! Yup! Revenge is mine! My war jacks off when it sees your revenge! My war is not alone! It's the only war! Anytime you get your ass down here, kick my ass, no problem! My life is better! Don't fuck with me whatsoever! Yup! Revenge is mine! I take it and I leave it! But this one, motherfucker, is mine! And you're not gettin' it! You're the one that's gonna pay this time, buddy! No prob!
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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2006, 09:53:00 AM »
Please focus more on grammar next time. It hurt my eyes to read your posting.
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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »
You are the one who needs the help asshole. Fuck off.
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« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2006, 01:58:00 PM »
Who are speaking to? I'm the nigger, btw.
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« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2006, 02:23:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-31 05:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thanks Atomic Ant, I totally agree with you, with just about everything you say to me, and I appreciate your taking the time to write back to me.  Interestingly enough, I am the only one going to his High School graduation, his Father is not going, now I think that is bad.  

Thanks again!"

Is the father not going because he objects to the TBS thing or is it his wife that doesn't want him to? Did he give a reason?

Because I still stand firmly against the tough-love, TBS approach, I would be very reluctant to show any kind of support for it. If, God forbid, my ex sent my child into one of these places I would do everything possible to remove the child and gain custody. I doubt I would attend any of the school's functions except as pretext to gain access to my child to remove him.

That said, I cannot stress enough how important it is for parents to support and encourage the successes in their children's lives.
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