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« Reply #105 on: April 29, 2006, 07:32:00 PM »
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« Reply #106 on: April 29, 2006, 07:34:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:25:00, TheWho wrote:

"Just an after thought

  This forum could provide a better service to the parents who come here by doing this.

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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program.
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« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
All [parents]- not programs.
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« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »
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Potential? Maybe. Currently effective? According to Ms. Shapiros own findings, no. Her findings show very clearly that the participants' problems did not abate due to treatment and continued to be above the clinical threshold. This means that the presenting problems for which the patients were entered into treatment still exist at levels that require treatment, thusly proving that the treatment they received was ineffective in treating the presenting issues.

That?s why it is important for people to read the study, I provided the link.  Each person can come away with something different.  What I see is a very clear indication that these programs are effective.  I don?t want people to take my word for it or yours.

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It's your reference, but you have not interpreted the results correctly. You merely took the statement that TBS's may "potentially help" and turned it into "do help." The author never said that, nor do the statistical derivations support that conclusion. It is your conlusion, not hers.

No not potentially help, you should read it:  ?She said: The most important finding of this study is that residential treatment for troubled adolescents has the potential to be extremely effective

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Aside from this fact, the study model is very shaky, the population sample is entirely too small to be representative and is hand-picked by the facility and there is evident bias due to the fact that the patients and parents would be reluctant to report negative events for very obvious reasons.

This one I can not help you with, you will have to petition Colgate University for a peer review and work with them.  Maybe they will back down on their conclusions.  I don?t have the time to do this.

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As far as the authors are concerned, Marcus' findings are anecdotal and do not come from a representative sample and do not represent any clinical data while Szalavitz's come from anecdotal evidence from a legitimately sized temporally longitudinal sample and are buttressed by copious clinical research, which is abundantly cited in her work. So, if we're just comparing their work, Szalavitz' is entirely more legitmate.


So which one is the ?experienced degreed professional in psychiatry? that you were asking for to make them legitimate writers , in your previous post?


Anon, I think we are striving for the same thing which is the ?truth about the programs? but we just don?t agree on the path to get us there.
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« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:25:00, TheWho wrote:


"Just an after thought


  This forum could provide a better service to the parents who come here by doing this.


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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."


NOW you're talking!

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« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2006, 07:45:00 PM »
This is such a clusterfuck of a thread. The proper Trolls are gone, so wtf ever "TheWho" is supposed to be is spewing his nonsense.

That study done by whats-her-name was already debunked by yours truly! Its a waste of time to discuss again.

She had no control group, what she said the program utilized amounted to abuse in many instances, and she was unable to seperate the undue influence of the program on the responses given in the study, and due to a lack of a control group what effect the program had vs "growing up".

Or, in other words, she has zero proof it actually accomplished anything, it admittedly abused children, but she insists it could be effective treatment, despite the total lack of evidence.
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #111 on: April 29, 2006, 07:49:00 PM »
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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."


Ha,Ha, that is classic.  Whether you believe it or not (or want it) this forum is providing a service to parents.  But I do agree the communication is served on a platter of "profanity, anger and hatred".
I can see why some people don?t log-in, that?s a great post.
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« Reply #112 on: April 29, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:25:00, TheWho wrote:


"Just an after thought


  This forum could provide a better service to the parents who come here by doing this.


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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."


::boohoo::

Program parents are SUCH control freaks ... sigh, when will they ever learn?  Program survivors RULE.
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« Reply #113 on: April 29, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-29 16:25:00, TheWho wrote:



"Just an after thought



  This forum could provide a better service to the parents who come here by doing this.



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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."





NOW you're talking!



 :wstupid: Can we get over this nonsense already?
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« Reply #114 on: April 29, 2006, 07:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:


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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."


::boohoo::
Program parents are SUCH control freaks ... sigh, when will they ever learn?  Program survivors RULE."


That entire statement is nonsensical. Its nothing but an emotionally-charged dismissal of anything said on fornits contrary to the position of the anonymous poster making it.

1+1 is still 2 if I say "fuck". Being a ninny about perceived profanity doesnt make anyone right or wrong.
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« Reply #115 on: April 29, 2006, 07:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:45:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"This is such a clusterfuck of a thread. The proper Trolls are gone, so wtf ever "TheWho" is supposed to be is spewing his nonsense.



That study done by whats-her-name was already debunked by yours truly! Its a waste of time to discuss again.



She had no control group, what she said the program utilized amounted to abuse in many instances, and she was unable to seperate the undue influence of the program on the responses given in the study, and due to a lack of a control group what effect the program had vs "growing up".



Or, in other words, she has zero proof it actually accomplished anything, it admittedly abused children, but she insists it could be effective treatment, despite the total lack of evidence.

"
Hey Niles, welcome back, whats your connection here again? (only kidding)

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That study done by whats-her-name was already debunked by yours truly! Its a waste of time to discuss again.


If it was debunked I havent received the notification from Colgates' peer review, yet.  Oh, wait a minute I think you said you debunked it, oh thats different, okay lets throw that study away.

Where is your Study on ASR?  Thought so, anyway, any luck getting your GED?
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« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2006, 07:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:53:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:51:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-29 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:



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This forum isn't ever going to provide any service to anyone- much less parents. The foundation of this forum is that there are NO good programs. This message is promoted ad nauseum by profanity, anger and hatred of all programs who have ever even considered a residential program."




::boohoo::

Program parents are SUCH control freaks ... sigh, when will they ever learn?  Program survivors RULE."




That entire statement is nonsensical. Its nothing but an emotionally-charged dismissal of anything said on fornits contrary to the position of the anonymous poster making it.



1+1 is still 2 if I say "fuck". Being a ninny about perceived profanity doesnt make anyone right or wrong."


 :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

Of couse, kids who swear are at risk of being instutionalized while their parents use "nice" words to describe their joy in paying to have their child "ed-educated" by people with a high school education.
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« Reply #117 on: April 29, 2006, 08:05:00 PM »
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TheWho did sputter:


Anon, I think we are striving for the same thing which is the ?truth about the programs? but we just don?t agree on the path to get us there.


Riiiiiiight.

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« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2006, 08:05:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-29 16:59:00, TheWho wrote:

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On 2006-04-29 16:45:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"This is such a clusterfuck of a thread. The proper Trolls are gone, so wtf ever "TheWho" is supposed to be is spewing his nonsense.





That study done by whats-her-name was already debunked by yours truly! Its a waste of time to discuss again.





She had no control group, what she said the program utilized amounted to abuse in many instances, and she was unable to seperate the undue influence of the program on the responses given in the study, and due to a lack of a control group what effect the program had vs "growing up".





Or, in other words, she has zero proof it actually accomplished anything, it admittedly abused children, but she insists it could be effective treatment, despite the total lack of evidence.


"


Hey Niles, welcome back, whats your connection here again? (only kidding)



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That study done by whats-her-name was already debunked by yours truly! Its a waste of time to discuss again.



If it was debunked I havent received the notification from Colgates' peer review, yet.  Oh, wait a minute I think you said you debunked it, oh thats different, okay lets throw that study away.



Where is your Study on ASR?  Thought so, anyway, any luck getting your GED?

"


ASR v. WWASPS.  Two different brands of the same pork and beans.

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« Reply #119 on: April 29, 2006, 08:11:00 PM »
Nice one, Luke!

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