Rats are scurrying....

[Anonymous]

HLA isn't suffering because of Fornits, unless some members have started some massive information campaign they haven't been telling about.

HLA is suffering because of its own massive incompetence, lack of money management ability, corruption, etc. Maybe even a few secretive lawsuits/settlements nobody has told anyone about.

[Anonymous]

Amen to that. They are also suffering due to
their "therapeutic" model of Behavior Modification.  When we enrolled our child we did
not have a clear picture of what this meant spe-
cifically.  We did, however, believe that our
child's specific problems would be addressed in
order for him to make true progress.  After all
he is not Pavlov's dog.  On one occasion, in
reals, the kids were asked to reveal which one of them had caused a problem.  Staff stated they knew but wanted the individual to speak up.  One
child spoke up and was told they were not the one
spoken of but that they would also be placed on
restriction.  Now if this is not a classic case of bait and punish, manipulation, and giving
no emotional or psychological safety what is?
The message is "be honest and we'll punish you
for it."

[TheWho]

Here's what defines a nurse: Advanced nursing practice" means practice by a registered professional nurse who meets those educational, practice, certification requirements, or any combination of such requirements, as specified by the board and includes certified nurse midwives, nurse practitioners, certified registered nurse anesthetists, clinical nurse specialists in psychiatric/mental health, and others recognized by the board.

And here's what they can legally do: "Practice nursing" or "practice of nursing" means to perform for compensation or the performance for compensation of any act in the care and counsel of the ill, injured, or infirm, and in the promotion and maintenance of health with individuals, groups, or both throughout the life span. It requires substantial specialized knowledge of the humanities, natural sciences, social sciences, and nursing theory as a basis for assessment, nursing diagnosis, planning, intervention, and evaluation. It includes, but is not limited to, provision of nursing care; administration, supervision, evaluation, or any combination thereof, of nursing practice; teaching; counseling; the administration of medications and treatments as prescribed by a physician practicing medicine in accordance with Article 2 of Chapter 34 of this title, or a dentist practicing dentistry in accordance with Chapter 11 of this title, or a podiatrist practicing podiatry in accordance with Chapter 35 of this title.

Now given the fact that these two receptionist apparently never went to so much as community college please tell me how you feel they arent in violation?

You get back to me.

Well you quoted requirements for a nurse, great lets go back to our problem statement again:

?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.?

It doesn?t say she is acting as a nurse, just dispensing drugs.  Again do we know this is a violation?  Local schools do it, our pharmacy does it.  Where are the requirements?

You keep going off topic.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-29 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This forum is a huge joke at HLA and your supposed truth-telling campaign has not affected them in the least. I checked with a current parent who has been monitoring the situation carefully and no one is quaking in their shoes over the power of fornits."

I agree.  Even though some people make good points about some things HLA needs to improve on, the forum is not hurting HLA's numbers in any way and the state has shown no interest in acknowledging anything that is said on this site.

[Anonymous]

I know of at least one case in which information obtained on Fornits affected
the numbers; there is now one less student
there - mine.

[Anonymous]

Regarding HLA, Fornits for the most part, has been a wealth of information for current and former parents...there is still only forty percent
retention at HLA...the numbers for an earnest
academy should be much higher. There should be
alarms that go off to an informed parent placing their child at HLA or an other so-called TBS school when the tuition and liability release is discussed...A HUGE ALARM should go off.

[TheWho]

Robertbruce said: Are you honestly going to argue that the state of Georgia has no minimum requirements for who can be handling medication or serve as a school nurse?

You are all over the map, stay focused.  I will try to say it again.  We need to establish the requirements that are needed, as a minimum, to dispense drugs.  Then compare the requirements to what is actually being done at HLA.  Then we know where they stand.  I never stated there were no requirements by the state.

After all this we still have not established that there is a problem at HLA in regards to dispensing drugs.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-29 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

   I know of at least one case in which information obtained on Fornits affected

the numbers; there is now one less student

there - mine."

You are right in that regard.  HLA does a terrible job at keeping the kids they have.  That is more a testament to the poor ownership than anything else.  What fornits has not affected is the number of kids coming in.  I don't understand it.

[TheWho]

I found some requirements that apply to corporations but they were very vague and would not apply to our discussion anyway.  Here is what Deborah was able to find (Thanks Deborah) Deborah provided links in a previous post, also

The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.

Seventy-five percent of reporting nurses in the 2000 study delegated medication administration to unlicensed assistive personnel (UAPs), with secretaries (66 percent) being the most common. Errors in administering medications were reported by nearly 50 percent of the school nurses, the most common error being missed doses (79 percent).

So as I read this: The expectations of the state is to have a Nurse manage the dispensing of all medication in a school setting in the State of Georgia.

So When HLA lost their Nurse they fell below expectations outlined by the state of Georgia and I agree this is something the parents should be made aware of.

Also when placed in perspective HLA was providing better services than 75% (exceeding expectations) of the school districts (based on the 2000 study) in the state of Georgia and then joined the 75% (majority) population when they lost their Nurse and the duties were off loaded to a secretary.  So they are in line with the rest of Georgia schools.

So I see this as a red flag which the parents should be made aware of but seems unlikely that any of the students are being put at risk (based on the statistical study)  with some errors of missed doses.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-29 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This forum is a huge joke at HLA and your supposed truth-telling campaign has not affected them in the least. I checked with a current parent who has been monitoring the situation carefully and no one is quaking in their shoes over the power of fornits."

Is it now? I wonder then why Uncle Jo Jo went to all the trouble of writing a letter to every HLA parent discussing this very site and our antics. Can you explain it? Not that it did any good, the parents arent that stupid and of course saw through little joeys bullshit. Hence the reason why numbers are dropping so quickly, also why the reason support in the communitty is fading away. If you have an alternate explination for these facts fire away puppet.

[RobertBruce]

Well you quoted requirements for a nurse, great lets go back to our problem statement again:

?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.?

It doesn?t say she is acting as a nurse, just dispensing drugs. Again do we know this is a violation? Local schools do it, our pharmacy does it. Where are the requirements?

You keep going off topic.

And you keep ignoring the facts and questions you dont like, so I guess were even.

You bring up an interesting point though so let me play devil's advocate for a second.

Let's just for arguments sake say that having an untrained, unqualified, unsupervised receptionsit dolling out meds is somehow okay.

Let us also for your arguments sake say she is not playing school nurse.

If this is truly the case then the next question raised is : Who is playing school nurse?

Are you going to argue that 150 kids in a high stress environment  coupled with a wilderness program dont require access to immediate basic medical care?

I'd be interested in eharing you thoughts on this and other questions youve been to afraid to answer.


Oh and just for clarification youre claiming that HLA in allowing untrained personelle is no different than public schools or pharmacys is way off base. Public schools require a degree of supervision while pharmacies require extensive training education and supervision from a person who went to school for just such a job. HLA has an unsupervised untrained phone girl handing pout meds. Hardly the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Fornits has no credibility.  It is a joke. If you think otherwise, could I sell you some property?

Sometimes people point out the true nature of fornits (as in the letters) just in case someone happens upon it and wonders what the hell it is all about.
 :silly:

[RobertBruce]

I agree. Even though some people make good points about some things HLA needs to improve on, the forum is not hurting HLA's numbers in any way and the state has shown no interest in acknowledging anything that is said on this site.

Well you are correct in the very last part of your comment. The state does not care, Buchi just has to many politicians bought and paid for. However as it turns out everyone has a boss and peoples patience has a price. Those officals who earlier dismissed our concerns are now finding ill advised to continue tpo do so, you will see the hammer drop. In the mean time Ill ask you the same thing I asked the other puppet. If we arent effecting things or causing concern why has litlle jo jo being trying so hard to discredit us or even silence us?

let me know.

[RobertBruce]

On 2006-05-29 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Fornits has no credibility.  It is a joke. If you think otherwise, could I sell you some property?

Sometimes people point out the true nature of fornits (as in the letters) just in case someone happens upon it and wonders what the hell it is all about."

Why would jo jo go to all the trouble of pointing out a joke if parents werent asking questions. Also what determines we have no credibilty? Are we dispensing bad info? If so specifically what? Why is lil joey trying to silence us if its a joke? Why if we arent effecting things is HLA hurting so bad in so many arenas? Why is their retention rate so low..and dropping? Get back to me lap dog.

[TheWho]

Oh and just for clarification youre claiming that HLA in allowing untrained personelle is no different than public schools or pharmacys is way off base. Public schools require a degree of supervision while pharmacies require extensive training education and supervision from a person who went to school for just such a job. HLA has an unsupervised untrained phone girl handing pout meds. Hardly the same thing.

No, read my previous post as a result of Deborah?s data.  I don?t think it included pharmacies.  It was a way to align HLA?s present situation with State requirements/ recommendations, take a look.  I think we can conclude the Meds issue and move on.

If this is truly the case then the next question raised is : Who is playing school nurse?

Are you going to argue that 150 kids in a high stress environment coupled with a wilderness program dont require access to immediate basic medical care?

I'd be interested in eharing you thoughts on this and other questions youve been to afraid to answer.

Why do you get so aggressive and uptight?  I think we are putting facts on the table and trying to resolve issues, at least I am, I don?t think I appeared to be afraid to address the issues.  I think it is important to resolve or at least find consensus on one point at a time, you seem to jump around talking about kids not having enough toilet paper etc. when the issue on the table was dispensing meds.

The next issue is since they fired the nurse they are in need of a medical person.  This stinks all around (I have been there) and HLA is probably in scramble mode trying to get coverage in case of an emergency.  This is not a unique situation we have had several schools in our district whos nursing position went vacant for over a 30 day period.  It was not as critical, though, since they were not boarding schools and the kids went home everyday.  But in any event the situation sometimes can not be helped and you have to deal with it, it may be the schools fault or the nurses fault.
So yes, the question needs to be answered what they do in case of an emergency.  Some questions I would ask is do they have medflight in the area?  A local nurse/doctor (not on staff) who is in the area that they could call on.  None emergency issues could be handled through car pooling to the nearest doctor I imagine, so that?s not a big deal.

If I were a parent I would call and try to raise my comfort level a bit by getting answers to some of the aforementioned questions.