Rats are scurrying....

[TheWho]

Now I know you know that HLA doesn't take traditional boarding school kids- that isn't and never has been their target market. No one is going to board their kid in a TBS for a 20-22 month "program". I have never seen one advertisement that remotely suggests HLA being a traditional boarding school. If you have, please post it. Further, kids who go to HLA do not stay the duration of their high school years. Their parents are highly encouraged to place them in pre-selected "traditional boarding schools" upon completion of HLAs "program". The guarentee is dependent on it.

That?s exactly what I said.  TBS?s target and market to a very small fraction of kids.  They are non traditional.

Based on this comment: "Are there requirements or guide lines the school should be following?"
I'm not sure you do understand that they benefit from special exemptions.

I do understand.  But if there are no requirements because you are exempt, then you would turn to ?Acceptable guidelines? What is expected?  What do other institutions do?  What is safe and appropriate?
Being exempt doesn?t necessarily mean you do nothing, it means you look for acceptable guidelines to follow.

BTW, it's not special exemptions (plural), they are totally exempt from state regulations. No one monitors their program. Same with ASR.

As a parent, why are you comfortable with that?

I think they should be regulated by the state that they are in.  But I don?t blame the schools for this, the people need to push the state to enforce the regulations and over sight.  If we were not required to get a drivers license how many of us would have one and would that make us bad people or bad drivers?  Probably not.

[RobertBruce]

Okay professor but youre forgetting a huge issue with that.

The school lies to the state about its purpose. There are laws and regulations and oversight for just such a type of institution in the state of GA. Yet they claim exemption by pretending to be a traditional boarding school.

Anyone with any experience with HLA knows they are not a traditional boarding school.

Oh wait...thats why youre confused, you have no experience with HLA.

[TheWho]

The issue is meds for you because you cant retort against my argument. This receptionist isnt just passing out meds, shes playing school nurse. Shes treating injuries and illnesses completly unqualified. Not only does this put the inmates health at risk, it is illegal.

You seem pissed.  Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :

?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?

This what I was responding to.  How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?

[TheWho]

On 2006-05-28 17:27:00, RobertBruce wrote:

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I never offered truth. I suggested we all continue to strive towards it and yes I do care to be educated always, hopefully you havent stopped learning.

While not offering opposing ideas concerning HLA you have discounted and dismissed others statements.



This serves the same purpose. Yet you do this while not having any first hand knowledge of HLA whatsoever.



Why?"

I think I have offered opposing ideas.  I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.

Having first hand knowledge is not a prerequisite to post on any of these threads, as I have experienced.  If you take a look at the ASR thread there were a small percentage of posters who had first hand knowledge (As one example).  
There are parents who are gathering information on schools who post and have never heard of some of these places.  Its important for the forums to be open to all people so that they can learn and inject new ideas and insight.  You should welcome this.  The more interest, the more people, the faster the information gets out!!

[RobertBruce]

You seem pissed.  Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :



?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe

parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?



This what I was responding to.  How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?  

"

Youre confused. Im not angry at all, I was simply mocking you. You mistake my being condescending towards you for anger, learn the subtleties.

In the meantime you continue to ignore the larger issue. The receptionist isnt only passing out meds..although that to is illegal and a practice that HLA has engaged in for years; she is also (again) playing school nurse. An issue you continue to ignore because youre to stupid to respond.

[RobertBruce]

I think I have offered opposing ideas.

Based on what? You don't know anything about HLA.

I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.

That's because youre retarded. You feel that an unqualified, unsupervised receptionist should be providing medical care and dispensing meds she knows nothing about. Sounds like a winning plan to me.

Having first hand knowledge is not a prerequisite to post on any of these threads, as I have experienced.

It is if you want to be percieved as knowing what the hell youre talking about. You keep babbeling on about improving the credibility of fornits.  Considering many prospective parents get their information from us I suggest you work on your own credibility.

 If you take a look at the ASR thread there were a small percentage of posters who had first hand knowledge (As one example).
There are parents who are gathering information on schools who post and have never heard of some of these places. Its important for the forums to be open to all people so that they can learn and inject new ideas and insight. You should welcome this. The more interest, the more people, the faster the information gets out!!

There is a difference between parents and others coming onto the site to ask questions and learn about the school, versus you who has no first hand knowledge or connection to it. You come on here believing you know what youre talking about when its beyond obvious you dont, and you are little more than a joke. I welcome people seeking information not self inflated ass clowns who have nothing better to do than try and make themselves feel better about just how insignifigant and small they really are.

Oh and since you are seemingly unaware the information moves from this site at a remarkable pace, or hadnt you noticed the impact we have made?

Then again I guess you wouldnt.

[TheWho]

On 2006-05-28 19:23:00, RobertBruce wrote:

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You seem pissed.  Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :





?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe


parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?





This what I was responding to.  How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?  


"

Youre confused. Im not angry at all, I was simply mocking you. You mistake my being condescending towards you for anger, learn the subtleties.



In the meantime you continue to ignore the larger issue. The receptionist isnt only passing out meds..although that to is illegal and a practice that HLA has engaged in for years; she is also (again) playing school nurse. An issue you continue to ignore because youre to stupid to respond. "

Sorry I have never responded very well to subtleties.  If you would like to discuss the larger issue, just put it on the table.  I am not one to ignore any of the issues.  But before we move on lets finish up on the med issue, which doesn?t seem to be a big deal anymore.  So just to recap:

The meds are being dispensed by someone other than a nurse with unknown credentials which may or may not be a problem because we have not established what the process is or how HLA stands (on this issue) against any state or otherwise acceptable requirements.  So this is an unresolved issue.

So your larger issue is that she may be treating injuries and illnesses in between answering the phone.  I guess before we judge this whole process we should try to determine what her credentials are and what she is being allowed to do.  Does she have any type of medical back ground? Can she apply stitches?  Minor surgery? Can kids be transported to a local clinic?  Does HLA have a interim process to handle this?  Do they plan to replace the nurse anytime soon?

[RobertBruce]

See now you learn.

It is better to ask questions than pretend you know what youre talking about when its obvious you dont.

These are all legitimate questions that given a little homework can be answered.

In the mean time parents should be calling HLA and asking these very things.

[TheWho]

You feel that an unqualified, unsupervised receptionist should be providing medical care and dispensing meds she knows nothing about. Sounds like a winning plan to me.

See this is where your credibility drops off the cliff.  Where did I state this?  Who established that she is unqualified?  What credentials does she need and which does she possess?  Where was it established that she works unsupervised?

Maybe you missed it but I was asked by Deborah what would make me comfortable from a parents perspective and I responded:

??. I would expect at least a trained medical person (nurse) to stage the meds once a day, maybe bag them, mark them and then allow a staff member, who is assigned, to distribute them when needed . These would be my minimum requirements. If there were state or federal guide lines, I would want them to follow those as well.

[TheWho]

These are all legitimate questions that given a little homework can be answered.

In the mean time parents should be calling HLA and asking these very things.

Thank you.  That?s all I am asking is to do a little homework before judging a situation.  This may be a none issue, and yes concerned parents should contact HLA if they feel uncomfortable.

[Anonymous]

HLA is just going to lie to them.

And if you think a serious danger is an "unresolved issue", then you have some unresolved issues.

God I hope your daughter kills you.

[RobertBruce]

Credibility with you is not a concern. Youre a tool remember?

I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.

Theres your quote for you cupcake. Having an unqualified person dispensing meds and playing nurse does put kids at risk.

Who established that she is unqualified?

Well there are two office staff members listed on the schools website. Neither one of them has any credentials listed whatsoever. Now considering the majority of the other staff does in fact have credentials listed it would stand to reason that these two may have graduated highschool and called it a night. If either one of them had some sort of college experience or medical training it would stand to reason that it would be broadcast. It is not. So I guess to answer your question..I established she is unqualified.

What credentials does she need and which does she possess?

Some degree of medical training would be acceptable, and apparently none.

Where was it established that she works unsupervised?

By the fact that they have no doctor on staff. Who else should supervise her?

Maybe you missed it but I was asked by Deborah what would make me comfortable from a parents perspective and I responded:

??. I would expect at least a trained medical person (nurse) to stage the meds once a day, maybe bag them, mark them and then allow a staff member, who is assigned, to distribute them when needed . These would be my minimum requirements. If there were state or federal guide lines, I would want them to follow those as well.

No I caught it, you just contridict yourself alot.

[RobertBruce]

Thank you.  That?s all I am asking is to do a little homework before judging a situation.  This may be a none issue, and yes concerned parents should contact HLA if they feel uncomfortable.

"

Oh I was actually refering to you needing to do your homework. Remember youre the one with the questions. I already know the truth about HLA. I did however make it easy for you.

The two office staff have no credentials

There is no supervision.

Anything else?

[TheWho]

Well there are two office staff members listed on the schools website. Neither one of them has any credentials listed whatsoever. Now considering the majority of the other staff does in fact have credentials listed it would stand to reason that these two may have graduated highschool and called it a night. If either one of them had some sort of college experience or medical training it would stand to reason that it would be broadcast. It is not. So I guess to answer your question..I established she is unqualified.

How can you trust the web site!!  And you establish she is unqualified?.Hmmmm..and you stated HLA needs oversight

Some degree of medical training would be acceptable, and apparently none.

Again, these seem to be your personal requirements.  I was looking more for some established/acceptable guidelines, by someone who is more qualified than yourself.

By the fact that they have no doctor on staff. Who else should supervise her?

Maybe a doctor or nurse who is not on staff seeing that they fired the nurse.  Any interim process would not be reflected on their website, unless they were using ?realtime? data flow.

It doesn?t seem that a problem has been established.  A nurse was fired, and a person with unknown credentials is dispensing the meds, that?s all we know.  Is it a red flag?  You bet.  Is it a problem? We don?t know.  Do we know what is required? No

[TheWho]

Its getting late, got to run.  Let me leave you with these thoughts which I think should help resolve the issue.

1)   Find out and/or define what is an acceptable process for dispensing meds (Chain of med handling down to the dispenser).
2)   Determine what their present (interim) process is.
3)   Determine the credentials needed to dispense medication in Ga.
4)   Determine the credentials of the person dispensing the meds today at HLA.

Compare Items 1 and 2  This will tell you if HLA?s process is out of control.  Compare Items 3 and 4 This will tell us if they have unqualified people.