here's a good one for you guys!!!!

[Anonymous]

this comes from a sibling of someone from atlanta straight.....i found it on the "alumni" site....
i just had to "share it with you guys.....totally unbelievable.....

Hi  Straight Inc.  alumni-
    I am very happy to say that Straight Inc. saved my brother, Bill's
life, when he attended & graduated from  Straight Inc. in Atlanta,
sometime around 1985, I believe.  Straight was truly a
remarkable place.  My brother learned sooooo  much from
Straight......and so did me and my twin sister,  Amber!!!
   We were living in Wilmington NC at the time,  and EVERY
weekend we would drive up to Atlanta JUST for my brother, Bill
W.   We did this for him.  To save his life!....and to keep him from
going to jail!  Because I truly believe that's where he would have
ended up if we had not gone to Straight.
   If any of you remember Bill W.,   there was not much hope for
him when he started.  I think he ran away from Straight a couple
of times.  But,  he was one of those people,  that the staff just
didnt have much hope in......and believe me,  the staff had every
reason to believe he wouldnt make it!!
   My brother's story of  survival and subsequent graduation from
Straight Inc.,  is truly an inspirational story!!!   My parents,  Bill and
Linda W.,  and my sister, Amber and I,  were "straight" as an
arrow. (and still are for the most part!) ....BUT still,  WE learned
so much from Straight Inc.  It changed my life forever.  It helped to
keep Amber and I  from EVER having the desire to use
drugs!!!....not that we probably would have used illegal drugs
anyway,  but Straight Inc.,  definitely showed us, that we dont ever
want to go down that path of destruction.
We, as a family, sacrificed our weekends, to go to Straight to
support our brother!  We believed in Straight that much!!  It was
worth it!!   It  was well worth it.  He evenuately, graduated from
Straight,   and became a staff member before leaving Straight for
other ventures.  He was an awesome staff member too!   You
couldnt b.s. a former," pro b.s.-er!!!!"
   Now,  he is a successful construction superintendent for a
construction co. on the carolina coast.   I just talked to him on the
phone  a minute ago when I found one web site that was
bashing Straight,  and I asked him, if he liked Straight,  and he
said it changed his life forever!  He said he loved it,  and has
wonderful memories of it!!!   That definitely puts a smile on my
face,  because we put a lot into it too.
    On a sidenote,  I am trying to remember the people that we got
to know in our journey at Straight, and the only person's name
that I can come up with is Jody.- a female.  If you are Jody,  and
you attended Straight sometime in the mid 80's in Atlanta, could
you please contact me.   And that also goes for anyone else who
went to Straight Inc. in Atlanta in the mid-eighties.  It would be so
great to hear from you.  I am sure Bill W. would love to hear how
you are doing too.
   Thank you for reading my story.  I have nothing but good
memories of Straight Inc.......and that will never change, no
matter how mean some of the arguments against Straight Inc.
can get!!!!!!    Remember,  you get out,  what YOU put into it!!!!!-
Take care all Straight Inc. alumni!-
xxxxxxxxxxxxx-deleted her name......hip

[Froderik]

Do you know what I think is really sad,  Dan?
That you could create a website where all people
do is bash Straight Inc??!!!  ....
   You tell me, Dan.    What good does that do??
  That is such ashame that you are a president of
a website that condones and encourages hate!!!
And, don't tell me,   that this website accepts
ALL views!!!!.......b/c it DOES NOT!!!!!!!....
  If it did,  you would not have sent an e-mail
"rebutting" my comments!!!   But you know what,
Dan??    That is o.k. b/c I am going to take my
name off of this group!  I can not,  and will
not,  subject myself to a "hate- website!!".
   It is just ashame that you,  along with all the
other "Straight Inc. haters",   waste your life
"knocking" an organization that was organized for
the sole purpose to get people off of drugs!!!!
It did not "brain-wash"!!!!  What about drugs in
itself??     DRUGS ARE NOTHING BUT
BRAINWASHERS!!!!!.........
   Did you ever think about that,  Dan??    Why
dont you start a website about the evils of
satan worshipping,  and how bad THAT
is???!!!!....  You could complain about it all
day,   and I think most people would back you up
on that one!!!
   If you, and the other "haters",  are so screwed
up b/c of Straight,  then I want you to go seek
professional counseling, and not bash an
organization who fought the fight against
drugs!!!!    Straight Inc.  IS NOT the reason for
your problems!!!   YOU  are the reason for your
problems!!!!       QUIT BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE AND
ORGANIZATIONS!!!!!    Take responsibiltiy for
your own actions!!!!
   You chose to do drugs,   Straight Inc. were
there to get you off drugs!!   If you don't like
the way they did it,  then keep your hate-filled
comments and remarks to yourself!!!.......we, as
Americans,   DON'T  want to hear them!!!!!!
   -  From the sister of a VERY  successful
graduate who loved Straight Inc!!!!!!........and
doesn't bash Straight Inc. for HIS mistakes in
life!!!!!
   MORAL OF THE STORY:    TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR YOUR
MISTAKES AND DO NOT PLACE BLAME ON OTHER PEOPLE
OR "ENTITES!!!!

[Nonconformistlaw]

This is what I said to her before she started lashing out. There was a couple other very respectful questions asked of her, in addition to mine.....Gee, it doesnt take much to provoke a Straight Robot does it?

"Umm...ok I am gonna be as nice as possible....I wonder if you are aware of how many lives were destroyed or nearly destroyed by Straight? Are you aware that Straight accepted many clients that had never even tried drugs, or maybe only once or a couple times? Are you aware that Straight engaged in criminal activity?

Before you react...let me just tell ya how Straight  "saved" my life....I had NEVER done drugs ever before Straight, I was scared to death the entire time I was in there (yes I 7 stepped), then I was kidnapped at the direction of Straight's wonderful untrained peer staff for handholding of all things...yes, kidnapping is criminal activity (I was 18).  I  was just diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder late LAST YEAR BECAUSE of Straight and have been in therapy since my diagnosis to recover from the trauma of Straight.

My point....if Straight was a good experience for you, your brother, and family, then obviously I wont try to take that away from you. If someone really was addicted to drugs and got off them, then I have no problem with that. But I urge you to look into the other side of Straight,  listen/read the negative stories....its pretty ugly and its the truth. My story is certainly true.  Oh and my story is NOT unique either.

If you are interested in documented accounts of Straight's ugly side,  Read chapter 2 of the "Great Drug War", by Trebach, and read Chapter 1 & 2 from "Help at Any Cost" by Szalavitz  (Straight is written about in those books)."

[starry-eyed pirate]

On 2006-04-16 10:04:00, stillahippie564 wrote:

"this comes from a sibling of someone from atlanta straight.....i found it on the "alumni" site....

i just had to "share it with you guys.....totally unbelievable.....



Hi  Straight Inc.  alumni-

    I am very happy to say that Straight Inc. saved my brother, Bill's

life, when he attended & graduated from  Straight Inc. in Atlanta,

sometime around 1985, I believe.  Straight was truly a

remarkable place.  My brother learned sooooo  much from

Straight......and so did me and my twin sister,  Amber!!!

   We were living in Wilmington NC at the time,  and EVERY

weekend we would drive up to Atlanta JUST for my brother, Bill

W.   We did this for him.  To save his life!....and to keep him from

going to jail!  Because I truly believe that's where he would have

ended up if we had not gone to Straight.

   If any of you remember Bill W.,   there was not much hope for

him when he started.  I think he ran away from Straight a couple

of times.  But,  he was one of those people,  that the staff just

didnt have much hope in......and believe me,  the staff had every

reason to believe he wouldnt make it!!

   My brother's story of  survival and subsequent graduation from

Straight Inc.,  is truly an inspirational story!!!   My parents,  Bill and

Linda W.,  and my sister, Amber and I,  were "straight" as an

arrow. (and still are for the most part!) ....BUT still,  WE learned

so much from Straight Inc.  It changed my life forever.  It helped to

keep Amber and I  from EVER having the desire to use

drugs!!!....not that we probably would have used illegal drugs

anyway,  but Straight Inc.,  definitely showed us, that we dont ever

want to go down that path of destruction.

We, as a family, sacrificed our weekends, to go to Straight to

support our brother!  We believed in Straight that much!!  It was

worth it!!   It  was well worth it.  He evenuately, graduated from

Straight,   and became a staff member before leaving Straight for

other ventures.  He was an awesome staff member too!   You

couldnt b.s. a former," pro b.s.-er!!!!"

   Now,  he is a successful construction superintendent for a

construction co. on the carolina coast.   I just talked to him on the

phone  a minute ago when I found one web site that was

bashing Straight,  and I asked him, if he liked Straight,  and he

said it changed his life forever!  He said he loved it,  and has

wonderful memories of it!!!   That definitely puts a smile on my

face,  because we put a lot into it too.

    On a sidenote,  I am trying to remember the people that we got

to know in our journey at Straight, and the only person's name

that I can come up with is Jody.- a female.  If you are Jody,  and

you attended Straight sometime in the mid 80's in Atlanta, could

you please contact me.   And that also goes for anyone else who

went to Straight Inc. in Atlanta in the mid-eighties.  It would be so

great to hear from you.  I am sure Bill W. would love to hear how

you are doing too.

   Thank you for reading my story.  I have nothing but good

memories of Straight Inc.......and that will never change, no

matter how mean some of the arguments against Straight Inc.

can get!!!!!!    Remember,  you get out,  what YOU put into it!!!!!-

Take care all Straight Inc. alumni!-

xxxxxxxxxxxxx-deleted her name......hip





"

Hard to believe that this could be genuine.  As i read it I thought 'it must be a prank'.  All the 'program speak' 'n' all...Yes very hard to take this seriously.  On the other hand I have heard that there are actually 7 steppers with 20 years sobriety.  To me that just indicates a lack of strength and character and will.  Oh well, maybe some folks don't mind havin' their human rights violated and their minds raped and their bodies held captive.  Or maybe they just still don't understand what happenned in $tr8 or maybe they have become so lost that they fail to recognize the prison that casts it's cold shadow over them.  I cannot truly judge.  But I find it incredible that someone could really feel this way about $tr8.  Maybe these people are just suckers. Slaves that have been conquered and made to serve the system.  Fuck I don't know.

$tr8 is a mind-rape-institution.  $tr8 is run by an oganization of criminals guilty of heinous crimes against defenseless children and yout'.  $tr8 is a brain-wash cult.  If $tr8 represents American values then America is a facsist state.

Fuck $tr8.  Fuck Authority.  ::dove::

[Nonconformistlaw]

"Hard to believe that this could be genuine. As i read it I thought 'it must be a prank'. All the 'program speak' 'n' all"

"Yes very hard to take this seriously.But I find it incredible that someone could really feel this way about $tr8."

Unbelievable yes, but very true, its definitely genuine...I beleive this was posted yesterday or the day before on the Straight Alumni board.....I was shocked that someone (a sibling even) could still rattle off "program speak" word for word....after 20 years....that siblings is obvioosuly VERY brainwashed.....
 ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  

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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

[Anonymous]

So what's the purpose of posting it over here?  They're not going to read it.  Are we supposed to get all pissed off and throw down or what?  I have no use for those kinds of people and have no desire to have any interaction with them whatsoever.  Complete waste of time and energy.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-16 10:13:00, Froderik13 wrote:

DRUGS ARE NOTHING BUT

BRAINWASHERS!!!!!.........

   Did you ever think about that,  Dan??    Why

dont you start a website about the evils of

satan worshipping,  and how bad THAT

is???!!!!....  

Case in point above.  What are you going to say to someone like that?

[Woof-a-Doof]

Oh Gawd?

My brother's story of survival and subsequent graduation from Straight Inc., is truly an inspirational story!!!

Inspiring?to whom?

He evenuately, graduated from Straight, and became a staff member before leaving Straight for other ventures. He was an awesome staff member too! You couldnt b.s. a former," pro b.s.-er!!!!"

So, he was an awesome staff member?Hmmm, a lil biased maybe? As a staff member, how many children did he belittle, humiliate, intimidate if not physically abuse? Oh and BTW, chances are he won?t mention those aspects of the job?well because it?s incriminating. What person in their right mind would discuss in honest detail of the abuse administered by staff (which he was one of) and fully disclose to you that which would show him as a child abuser? Sounds as if your Pro-BS?er brother is probably still bull shitting you. Remember the rule, ?What you see and hear here remains here?? Ya know why they had that rule? Because of the illegal behavior taking place every day in whole sale proportions.

I have nothing but good memories of Straight Inc.......and that will never change, no matter how mean some of the arguments against Straight Inc. can get!!!!!! Remember, you get out, what YOU put into it!!!!!-

God that makes me wanna puke. People that have no earthly clue as to what they are talking about should refrain from posting. The arrogance is probably what sends me over the deep end with this poster.

Do you know what I think is really sad, Dan? That you could create a website where all people do is bash Straight Inc??!!! .... You tell me, Dan. What good does that do?? That is such ashame that you are a president of a website that condones and encourages hate!!!

Not sure who Dan is?and I am guessing this is referring to the yahoo site. I never thought of the Yahoo site as a hate site, encouraging hate or whatever. I never thought of them as Straight Bashers?In fact I lean towards thinking just the opposite. Just about every time I go there it seems rather silly and well you know?lacks a lot of substance, a foo-foo kinda site. No offence intended?it just seems like a place were people gather and talk about most anything?rarely with anything substantial in regard to Straight. Just my opinion.

start a website about the evils of satan worshipping, and how bad THAT
is???!!!!.... You could complain about it all day, and I think most people would back you up on that one!!!

Well, personally, I have no experience with satan worshipping, pro or con. So there isn?t much to say. However, I have experience with Straight Inc for over 27 years now?I think I know a lil about what I am talking about.

If you, and the other "haters", are so screwed up b/c of Straight, then I want you to go seek professional counseling, and not bash an organization who fought the fight against drugs!!!!

Again with the arrogance?As if I would seek professional counseling because some goodie-two shoes can?t see beyond her own ignorance. Personally I am not bashing Straight because they fought the fight against drugs. I fight/bash because of the methodology employed by a group of arrogant pustules that thought destroying a mind and spirit was a way to control a person against their will and to do it in the name of treatment and then hide behind that by implying?We are just trying to help the kids?BULLSHIT

Straight Inc. IS NOT the reason for your problems!!! YOU are the reason for your problems!!!! QUIT BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS!!!!! Take responsibiltiy for your own actions!!!! You chose to do drugs, Straight Inc. were
there to get you off drugs!! If you don't like the way they did it, then keep your hate-filled
comments and remarks to yourself!!!.......we, as Americans, DON'T want to hear them!!!!!!

And the arrogance continues?Look lady?I don?t like the way they did it?I don?t like the way they are still doing it. I speak from direct experience. You are one arrogant woman; you do not speak for mainstream America. But perhaps your right in respect that America doesn?t want to hear it?America is just happy to farm out their little secrets and their problems so they are out of site, and out of mind. Warehousing children, because parents could not teach their children is despicable and disgraceful.

MORAL OF THE STORY: TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR YOUR MISTAKES AND DO NOT PLACE BLAME ON OTHER PEOPLE OR "ENTITES!!!!

Moral? Is that what this has all been about? You are trying to instill into us morals? How fucking arrogant are you? This is not about blame, but about explanation. But you piousness will hinder your ability to learn anything outside your sphere of experience?which appears limited and sheltered at best. So take your smug ass story and shove it up your ass.

Come back when your not so unencumbered by insight. Oh and just so you know, the Moral Majority is neither! God I am so fucking pissed off right now?.Happy Fucking Easter

[Nonconformistlaw]

Damn I wish I could have managed to say something like this Woof...but I was soooo fucking pissed at that person when I posted numerous scathing responses to her horseshit on alumni...I could barely see or think straight I was so pissed.

Unfuckingbelievable.

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[Froderik]

Hey, just checkin back in since before...goddam, we sure got some comedown action on this thread, eh?   :lol:

[Froderik]

I'm too drunk for this shit right now....fuck you guys...lol.

[Anonymous]

damn,dude...i was just throwing some humor at you.......i don't want anyone pissed off....lol..
i just thought it was funny....i mean,if she thinks the alumni site spews vile shit on and about straight,then she needs to come over on this site.....lol.....hip :rofl:  :grin:

[Froderik]

Oh, no....don't get me wrong..I was referring to the follow up posts..note that i copied and pasted in one just for fun up there too... keep on with it..  :grin:

[Helena Handbasket]

 If any of you remember Bill W.,   there was not much hope for

him when he started.  I think he ran away from Straight a couple

of times.  But,  he was one of those people,  that the staff just

didnt have much hope in......and believe me,  the staff had every

reason to believe he wouldnt make it!!

   My brother's story of  survival and subsequent graduation from

Straight Inc.,  is truly an inspirational already beestory!!!  

Funny - I remember a Bill W. starting this "stepcraft" mess in the first place!

On the note of brainwashing - my 22nd anniversary recently passed, and as for the past 21 years, I noticed the date approach, and a certain part of me irrationally braces for "a bad day".

It isn't a significant date... there is no celebration or reverence, but why should I take special notice of April 9 of each year?  Especially since my experience was limited and not even with Straight?

I think what it boils down to is the experience -  whether regarded as wonderful or horrendous - was a (forgive the language) life changing event, and those who believe they were saved from being deadinsaneinjail truly credit Straight, et al. with this perceived "salvation".  

So be it.  You can't change a mind that's solidly set.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm going to have a glass of wine, puff on some tobacco smoke, and celebrate my few hours of solitude  - all without  the slippery-slope fear that this will definitely result in my demise.

Happy Easter Everyone :grin:

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

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[Froderik]

On 2006-04-16 13:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

So what's the purpose of posting it over here?  They're not going to read it.  Are we supposed to get all pissed off and throw down or what?  I have no use for those kinds of people and have no desire to have any interaction with them whatsoever.  Complete waste of time and energy.

 :nworthy:  :nworthy: