Question for HLA parents

[Anonymous]

Somebody here said they fell for HLA's advertising
"hook line and sinker"

How did most parents end up sending their children to HLA? Is it Ed Cons, or how did you end up finding HLA? Isn't an Ed Con responsible legally for recommending a place with the range of problems HLA, and other schools have?

I just tried Hidden Lake Academy in Google. Healonline, Fornits and Strugglingteens were all in the top 5. Wikipedia also has an entry, with criticism and Fornits mentioned.

I wish I had seen them a few years ago.

[Troll Control]

Isn't an Ed Con responsible legally for recommending a place with the range of problems HLA, and other schools have?

Unfortunately, no.  Ed Cons employ a disclaimer in regard to that matter.  Basically you retain the services of HLA (or any other "school") at your own risk.

Remember, there are great incentives for Ed Cons to refer to places like HLA.  They receive lavish gifts, "kickbacks," and referral "fees."  There is a lot of money changing hands in these deals.

[juniper2]

Do the Ed.Cons. have to declare these 'gifts'..?

[Troll Control]

On 2006-04-12 07:38:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Do the Ed.Cons. have to declare these 'gifts'..?"

Legally, yes.  My understanding is that much of this is done "behind the scenes."

One HLA employee recently stated that the owner sent out extremely lavish "gifts" to the Ed cons that refer there to "smooth over" the recent bad publicity.

It seems to be a quid pro quo arrangement - nothing is free.

[juniper2]

If the "Buddists" are right, I wonder what all these 'lovely' people will "come" back as...

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-12 07:43:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"

One HLA employee recently stated that the owner sent out extremely lavish "gifts" to the Ed cons that refer there to "smooth over" the recent bad publicity.



It seems to be a quid pro quo arrangement - nothing is free.


"

An  Ed Con told me the other day that there's a conference this weekend at HLA (more dmage control?) at HLA's expense.  Wonder if they'll eat pizza.

[Anonymous]

could be. before they removed the demo page from their website it claimed that 65% of their business came from Ed Cons.

[Anonymous]

Ed Cons need to be exposed. They are not consultants, they are lobbyists, or shills, or both.

Do they have a professional society?

call 60 minutes, Dateline, etc

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-13 01:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ed Cons need to be exposed. They are not consultants, they are lobbyists, or shills, or both.



Do they have a professional society?



call 60 minutes, Dateline, etc"

 Call 60 Minutes and Dateline and give them Clarke Poole's e-mails.  Never mind the EdCons- the liars who run HLA need to be exposed for what they are.

[Anonymous]

They all have been called...One has to understand
that this is not just HLA,or the other schools across the country and abroad, or the Ed.Cons.
Also, there are 'Fine' Ed.Cons. that are in an up-roar...few, but theya re there...THis is also
a huge political machine we are facing. It's roots go high up in the Republican party..The 'gifts' the Ed. Cons. are given are nothing to what goes on politically..Just look at the "Semblers", the donations that come in to
the party from these schools....I am an 'Old Republican' and I am in disgust! It is big money..  Take Oprah, for instance..She has been
asked to do 'THE SHOW'...However, last year she had DR. PHIL on(a moron), promoting these schools...So, un-like Montel Williams, who did air TBS's dirty laundry,she is in a bad position...She has been asked to show the other side, with documented info..Rightly she should,
however, Harpo Productions, her company, 'is'
The DR. PHIL show... Make sense? Also, as much as people shove dirt at a certain network for being too far to the right,out of all of them..
I bet they will be the ones to come through.be patient..It is on the horizon...

[Troll Control]

From: Clarke Poole
Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 9:57 PM
To: Nicole Fuglsang; Bill Gray Jr.; Len Buccellato; John McMillon; John McMillon; David Reifenberger; David Jordan; Mark Keith; Christy Jones
Subject: FW: HLA Student Profile.....
Nicole,
I can understand precisely why you said you do not want to continue to address my concerns over student safety and unethical practices on e-mail. However, there are several final points I want to make for the record.

(1) You stated with total certainty that two of the students referred to below received "significant financial aid because their families could not afford the HLA tuition." Upon my questioning the accuracy and veracity of your statement, you also said "I know because I was a part of the approval process while they were at RCI and then moved on to HLA. I know for a fact the level of aid they were getting at RCI & HLA as I worked with both families directly. I am the source of this information." The adamancy with which you state your position is compelling. However, it is totally false.

I went to Bill Gray's office at 4:30 Friday afternoon and asked him to personally check the financial records for the three students in question as a means to help me refresh my memory. He did so in my presence. None of these students received one cent of financial aid. (Jane Doe 1)?s family received the Ridge Creek rebate the first month she attended Hidden Lake Academy, rather than the third month as is normally the case. However, the amount of tuition paid by her family was exactly the same as any other family. There was no financial aid requested or granted to any of these three families, period. This raises the question in my mind as to why you so steadfastly insisted that you were right in spite of my urging you to check your facts.

The whole business of financial aid was, of course, a red herring designed to deflect the focus away from the point of my letter: that the safety of Hidden Lake Academy students is being compromised by the improper and unethical admission of totally inappropriate and dangerous students. As I noted, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the concerns I had raised. Just for the record, (John Doe 2)?s psychological evaluation, conducted and signed by Len Buccellato, includes a diagnosis of Schizoaffective Disorder, Pedophilia, and Personality Disorder with Antisocial Features. I am still waiting for your response as to why this boy, as well as the others, was approved by Len Buccellato to attend Hidden Lake Academy.

(2) You are the Director of Public Relations for both Hidden Lake Academy and Ridge Creek, as well as Director of Admissions for both institutions. In this job, you are the public face and voice of both programs. It would stand to reason that we would want in this very important position someone whose integrity is above reproach, since you speak for both programs. The fact that you intentionally attempted to mislead, obfuscate, and deflect rather than address honestly my concerns regarding student safety and ethical placement is, in my opinion, an insult not just to me, but to everyone in either of these schools, students and staff alike, as well as the parents of students and the educational consultants who they hired to assist with placement.

On January 31, 2006, you sent out a notice to all staff, and perhaps others outside HLA, that the "new student riding program will be completely operational by February 1st, 2006". It was obvious to all with eyes that this was impossible, since it was nothing more than a small area of scraped dirt the day before. I sent a reply to you stating "This is exactly what gets us in trouble with parents and consultants." I never received a reply. The "riding program" is still in exactly the same shape as it was the day you sent the announcement... no horses, no program.

If this approach to "public relations" is condoned by management, then it is no wonder we are constantly losing both students and staff. It is wrong, dishonest, and shameful.

Man, he gave Nicole a dose of reality.

It just goes to show that Nicole (who trolls this board, BTW) and people like her will say anything to make a buck or to avoid responsibility for wrongdoing.

Parents, these are the people caring for your children.  Is this the type of behavior you want modeled?  Can you be sure your kid isn't bunking with a sociopath, psychotic or pedophile?

Is any of it worth the risk?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-13 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"THis is also

a huge political machine we are facing. It's roots go high up in the Republican party..The 'gifts' the Ed. Cons. are given are nothing to what goes on politically..Just look at the "Semblers", the donations that come in to

the party from these schools....I am an 'Old Republican' and I am in disgust! It is big money..   Also, as much as people shove dirt at a certain network for being too far to the right,out of all of them..


I bet they will be the ones to come through.be patient..It is on the horizon..."

This is off topic,sorta, should be in Tacitus - but - if you are an "old Republican", try reclaiming your party. You lost it to "big Business" in the 1880s. You lost what ethics were left in the 1980s, to Religious Maniacs. HLA is suitable to the modern Republican party, they love to jail people, kids included. Personal rights are irrelevent, so childrens rights are too. The only thing that matters is money and power. Their policies benefit only their friends in business, and that is what HLA and the Semblers are.

It is no longer the party of Lincoln, it is the party of Joseph McCarthy and his fans. Of hatred and false outrage. Of a trashed Constitution.

A certain network - Sean Hannity knows which side his bread is buttered on, he will never go up against the real power in the party, cause it would end his career. He needs them as much as they need him as a mouthpiece. Maybe you know something on the inside, it would be good to see Sean show some true morals. Maybe if other networks were watched and discussed, we wouldn't be in the mess we are.


Meanwhile Clark Poole is The Man! Love to see him kick Nicole's butt-

[juniper2]

How true...

[Anonymous]

"how true" what?

Original question still stands: how did HLA parents come to send their children there?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-15 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

""how true" what?



Original question still stands: how did HLA parents come to send their children there?

"

An EdCon I found I on the internet directed me to HLA.