Second Nature Wilderness Program

[Anonymous]

It serves the purpose of giving parents a break from their difficult duty of managing their troubled teens lives for them. The myth of innocence among program students is greatly exaggerated.

Guilt? Innocence? Those are words are evoked when describing punishment for crimes. But you are providing "treatment", I thought.

People aren't "guilty" or "innocent" of mental illness. What these cults do is get people to confuse mental illness with being naughty.. The parents can feel angry at their child's “guiltâ€

[Anonymous]

they are VERY dangerous. They know the secrets of human oppression, manipulation, and destruction for personal game. And they aren't afraid to use these secrets to their advantage

Sounds a lot like my ex-wife.

[Anonymous]

Second Nature is not a cult program and its principals are not sociopaths. They are highly educated therapists and care tremendously about each kid that goes through the program.  They have no desire to harm or oppress anyone.
The teens who are there are, for the most part, young adults who were behaving very destructively and were in danger of seriously hurting themselves or others by their conduct, or else in danger of eliminating all chances for a positive future.  Parents who don't care would just kick them out of the house and never give it a second thought instead of giving their child a chance to learn and grow in a therapeutic wilderness environment.

[Anonymous]

Second Nature is not a cult program and its principals are not sociopaths. They are highly educated therapists and care tremendously about each kid that goes through the program.  They have no desire to harm or oppress anyone.
The teens who are there are, for the most part, young adults who were behaving very destructively and were in danger of seriously hurting themselves or others by their conduct, or else in danger of eliminating all chances for a positive future.  Parents who don't care would just kick them out of the house and never give it a second thought instead of giving their child a chance to learn and grow in a therapeutic wilderness environment.

Actually, "just kicking your kid out of the house" is illegal. You must have been absent that day in general knowledge class, as a highly educated therapist. Fictitous being, what is your supposed connection to second nature,which was set up by a former abducter and forced march overseer from aspen education.

[Nihilanthic]

It's not a matter of "deserving" it.

Ok.

 

It's a matter of trying to help the teen, and wilderness programs DO help a lot.

How? Prove it. 30 years among scores of programs and no fucking evidence yet. Ho hum.

It's another matter to keep the lessons going after the program, however.  

You mean when the brainwashing wears off when the reinforcement is gone?

The above poster is obviously one of the dissatisfied customers- in the minority by a long ways.  

If you say so. I'm still waiting to see proof they do any help at all.

Agree that the myth of innocent program attendees is just that- a myth.

Says who? You?

Kids that make it to wilderness are really struggling with some serious issues and need a "time out" from their life at home to figure it all out.

a) Says who? There is no criteria for being sent off to a program except if the parent has the money and signs off on it. You can't say they have serious issues because there is no diagnostics and no criteria for them at all what so fucking ever!

b) "Time out" is helpful how? What medical criteria exists for that from a therapeutic standpoint. How is isolation and seclusion GOOD or USEFUL at all? Its rather punitive and makes people suffer to go through, but I guess because some two-bit programmie says so it is so? You're using terms that demean and make light of what is actually being done to try to condone it.

Being stuck with people who treat you bad who you have to depend on for survival in an austere, shitty environment is not therapeutic. Not for a day, not for months - its pretty fucking obvious what its about to anyone who has any empathy or imagination at all.

They are not sociopaths (some might be) and they are not being punished- they are simply being given the opportunity to turn things around for themselves with some excellent professional help.

So being around under or non-trained twats in the woods, filthy and depending on the same people who instigate emotional and psychological suffering upon you for months on end, completely isolated and trapped and coerced is an "opportunity" to "turn things around".. how so? How does talking about what someone makes you talk about and having your buttons pushed in the woods or a desert help anything?

Why the isolation?

And how are they excellent professionals?? Where are the credentials or the proof this shit fucking works at all?

[Anonymous]

According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal.  I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do.   What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature?  No, I didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

It's people like you who complain about Guantanimo.

[Anonymous]

According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal.  I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do.   What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature?  No, I didn't think so.

The parents are more than welcome to actually act like parents from the day their child is born. When the going gets tough they are more than welcome to stick by their child rather than subcontracting out their responsibilites. Much like most parents who send their kids to programs probably did before that point of no return in their child's life. The nannies, the baby sitters, the day cares, the computer, the TV, the wide variety of other things parents rely on to raise their children rather than being arsed to do it themselves.

Frankly parents are more than welcome to a bucket full of shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down for a change. They ought to take the damn time to listen to their kids on a regular basis rather than dismissing them as no essential baggage that takes time away from work, the club, or the golf course.

Second nature sells a false bill of goods. I've seen to many reports from survivors for me to believe in what is being sold by this fraudulent company.

I see the possibility of a strong connection right back to synanon that exists in the company.

The founders came from Aspen Achievement Academy. A notorious haven for CEDU influences from days gone by. If you want to expose your child to an organization that more than likely was influenced from the get go by a cult that is your choice.

Sad fucking deal that you are the one making that choice for your child. In the end really that is what it is mostly about.

Setting aside the abuse, the neglect, and the bullshit none of you miserable excuses of parents should ever have the power to place their kids in these places.

No child in second nature ever got a day in court.

Sad fucking shame that.

[Anonymous]

According to you, having the kid "abducted" is also illegal.  I guess you think parents should allow a teen to destroy the family and property and continue to do whatever he or she wants to do.   What will it be? Wilderness and a chance at repairing the damage that has been done and saving the kid's future or life on the streets?
Have you met the principals of Second Nature?  No, I didn't think so.

So let me get this straight you think it's LEGAL, to "throw a child out of the house?

Answer the question, troll: What is your connection to second nature?
(I'm guessing your going to claim that you're a parent. Then you hide our financial motivation, without having to give day to day details of life inside, which is harder for people to fake)

It is illegal to hire people to abduct your child. The trouble is, unlike the law of abandonment, this law is not routinely enforced. Sometimes it is, though. Parents have been found guilty of child endangerment when tying to send their kids to TB. Kids are reluctant to persue charges against their own parents, and DA's are reluctant to take these cases. A kid was BEATEN to death in the a floridian boot camp. The beaters were found not guilty because "pain compliance" was an approved tactic by the boot camp. This beating death was video-taped. It's hard to get the laws enforced, but they're there. And it;s only a matter of time before some kid, who is willing to cause suffering to his parents, and finds an honest and brave DA, persues charges

[Anonymous]

Why are you talking about TB and Florida boot camps?  I thought this was about Second Nature.  Oh wait, you really don't know anything about Second Nature that is bad, do you?  

Interesting how the kids who attend Second Nature don't seem to be flocking to this thread or this forum at all?  Could they possibly have gotten a lot of benefit from the program and moved on with their lives?

I have plenty of knowledge about what goes on at the program and there are many kids who will share their experiences with you.  They hate it when they arrive, but within a few weeks they realize it is where they need to be.  Yes, there are exceptions.  If a kid is not suited to Second Nature or has serious psychiatric issues, the staff will refer them somewhere else.  They are not in it for the money.  It is long, hard days and a lot of hard work running a therapeutic program.

[Anonymous]

Parents have been found guilty of child endangerment when tying to send their kids to TB.

Never happened.

[Lain the Odd]

If a kid is not suited to Second Nature or has serious psychiatric issues, the staff will refer them somewhere else.  They are not in it for the money.  

lol

[TheWho]

The kids who are not happy with the program are typically the ones who never finished or didnt apply themselves.  The other 99.9% have benefitted, moved on.

[Nihilanthic]

The kids who are not happy with the program are typically the ones who never finished or didnt apply themselves.  The other 99.9% have benefitted, moved on.

Prove it

[TheWho]

The kids who are not happy with the program are typically the ones who never finished or didnt apply themselves.  The other 99.9% have benefitted, moved on.

Prove it

Just the way it is!!  Look around you, who do you see?  You sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.



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