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« on: February 16, 2006, 08:19:00 AM »
the book is available today.
you can find the book here at barnes&noble

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookse ... 106&itm=15

I'm off to buy it now.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 08:21:00 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
New blog entry at Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szal ... 15425.html

Love the way she invites commentary and responds to criticism.

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2006, 05:00:00 PM »
Maia on NPR Day to Day re the death of Martin Lee Anderson

God did not reward men for being honest, generous and brave, but for the act of faith. Without faith, all the so-called virtues were sins. and the men who practiced these virtues, without faith, deserved to suffer eternal pain.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2006, 07:16:00 PM »
And tomorrow....

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Hi everyone...

I will appear on Brian Lehrer's show on WNYC at 11:05am tomorrow, in New York at
93.9 FM to discuss tough love programs and boot camp deaths.


http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl

I shall endeavour to get this stuff up in a more timely manner henceforth.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 11:01:00 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2006, 01:24:00 PM »
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Teenage Wasteland

Maia Szalavitz, senior fellow at stats.org, a media watchdog group, and author, Help at Any Cost: How the Troubled-Teen Industry Costs Parents and Hurts Kids (Riverhead, 2006),
- on the downside of "tough love" boot camps for young adults

Help at Any Cost (Riverhead)


Here's the direct link to the audio of just that segment:

http://audio.wnyc.org/bl/bl021706c.mp3

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2006, 01:29:00 PM »
So two current program parents called in. Neither one were willing to name the school/program where their sons are currently held. Both claimed their kids are doing great!, though one did say his son got sanctioned w/ a second run through wilderness. I tried to call in but the lines were busy. Glad Rich got through. But I wanted to ask how long their sons had been away and if either of those fathers have had any unmonitored contact w/ their kids at all.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »
Listening to it again, Richard Reese says his son wasn't really fucking up, they were just paranoid that he might start any minute. Then in the next breath he describes shipping him off as an extreme sort of move. WTF??? And, of course, neither programmed parent can get Maia's name right. Reese refers to her as Andrea. Did he have her mixed up w/ Andrea from PFRR, maybe?

Next guy calls her Ms. Sullivan????

In case you guys are reading here, please take a little advice. Skip the next couple of seminars and toughlove parent hategroup meetings. Catch up on some sleep. Seek out information and opinions other than program propaganda. Here's an idea actually read the book before commenting on the issue. Maia has done her homework. She's not a layman gadfly like I am and she's not directly involved in the industry as you are. She's a bona fied, qualified and respected investigative journalist, specializing in drug treatment and health issues.

Rudy Bentz, otoh, has as his only credential the same as Chuck Dederich, Joe Ricci and Art Barker; they all were skidrow drunks or junkies who became evangelical cult gurus. That's it. That's their entire claim to expertise.


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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
I was amazed by the guy from Straight, I think his name was Richard.  The place actually reached in to his families home and took his sister into the program (or maybe the other way around). Thats sounds really messed up.  

The kid, I think Ugan was his name, that was sent to the Christian reform school, was there from the 7th grade until junior year.  No staff, little schooling, family barely visited ,horrible.  He then moved on to Military school, still struggling at age 30.

They didnt mention if the programs were still running, does anyone know?[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-02-17 14:19 ]
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2006, 05:02:00 PM »
Dictonary Search: Horrorable

Searching.....

No entry found for horrorable.
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2006, 05:18:00 PM »
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Searching.....



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Ha, sorry, tough crowd !! I meant horrible
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2006, 05:30:00 PM »
"We cashed in the college funds for all 3 kids"

OMFG, Why would a parent punish all of their children, Take away or limit their college education, Take out loans on your house.. etc because 1 of your kids might someday get into trouble ~because some of his friends were... OMG

That is insane thinking..... I am just blown away. :flame:  :evil:

And Bill!!!!!!! They thought I was faking too! Turns out, I wasn't!!!!! But too late! The damage is done. 20 yrs and 14 surgeries later, I am still pissed. Forever Damaged!

Ok, sorry survivors, this is burning anger in me.. Let me process and focus on how the general debate is helping children and society as a whole. ATM, I am pissed at oblivious parents and lawmakers! Many of you know what I went through. Sometimes are harder than others...And I haven't finished the show, LOL.

Maia, Thank you so entirely! You have done a powerful thing for us and the children today who are suffering. The end result is more important than the present crisis. I agree. I so totally agree. I can't wait to buy the book! This weekend,I am going to get as many as possible to give to my parents, friends, and to my old Schools.

edit, I had more to say, LOL :razz: [ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-17 14:49 ]
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2006, 07:03:00 PM »
Rudy B. was not a skidrow drunk...just your basic socially accepted alcoholic.  Couldn't get through the day without his scotch.  Right, Rudy?  You remember your Johnnie Walker (on a good day) with your Ranier Ale chasers??  Ooops.  I forgot.  You have no memory pre-Cedu.  Or shall I say selective memory?
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2006, 09:45:00 PM »
Sorry, should have checked here first before making that snide remark in the other thread.

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"I was amazed by the guy from Straight, I think his name was Richard.  The place actually reached in to his families home and took his sister into the program (or maybe the other way around). Thats sounds really messed up.  

Yeah, other way `round. They routinely try to convince parents that all their kids, and their kids friends, and their neighbor's kids, etc, are all druggies in need of treatment. That's how 5/6 of my family wound up in these programs. My mother was extremely gullible.

I guess you don't have kids younger than your daughter, huh?

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They didnt mention if the programs were still running, does anyone know?


Yes! They're still running. Just last weekend me and a few friends actually got some time on the local evening news in Cincinnati, trying to get the state to investigate a Straight spin off named Kids Helping Kids. That place has been in operation for over 20 years.

Here are some pics: http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/Milford

Here's a report:
http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/2006Feb10 ... tinoh.html

Here's some back story:
http://www.isaccorp.org/khkandstraight.html

When they find themselves under scrutiny, they do just what Rudy Bentz did; they either change the corporate name of the Program or they scatter and find a place in another, very similar organization.


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