HLA DOESNT HELP YOU, YOU HELP YOURSELF

[THE ONE (chewy)]

As a former student at HLA, i've been there, seen it all, was there 30 fucken months, and am now done. HLA didn't help me, i helped myself, my friends helped me and the counselors there that were on my side,some staff and my baseball and soccer coaches. MY own counselors couldn't have given 2 shits about me, the "higher-ups" if you would say were scared of me and thought I was a threat to campus. I guess you could say I was but it was only because I wasn't fucken fake at HLA, I did what I wanted, said what I wanted and nothing from that school scared me. John McMillan and Jeff you guys hated me, but guess what it didn't matter, I came put on top and am doing better than ever. You guy's and your system at HLA are so corrupt, it could be such a good school , but the fact that there are bullshit rules, counselors who can't have freindships with there kids, restrictions, lying to parents about really what happens, and cover-ups makes the school a fucken corrupt place. To me whats funny is that all the older kids you want to get rid of so you can bring in 12, 13, 14 yr. olds so you can make money off them, thats fucken pathetic. The fact that when I first got there u wouldn't accept suicidal kids, and now you do, to make money is pathetic. All I have to say is that HLA was a bullshit school and I saw everything that happened there. From staff getting with students, cover-ups, lying, manipulating parents, and lies, lies, lies, so I say if anyone has a kid, and needs answers to the truth please respond to this. I don't hate that I went to HLA, I had to go, it helped me, find myself, but I did all the work. I hate that HLA is full of shit.

[Anonymous]

The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA.  He did the work.  He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him.  He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him.

Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway.  You're wrong in this case.  He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit.

I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid.  He'll tell you the truth.

[Exterior]

You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website.  They have sued people.  Believe it or not, they are still watching you.

[Troll Control]

Thanks for posting, bro.

Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?

Sexual relations between staff and students:
-What do you know about this?
-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?
-How old were the victims?  Under 16?
-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?
-What about kids having sex with eachother?

Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do?
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?
-How long were you on restrictions each time?
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)
-What about forced exercise?  What kind/how much?

Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?
-How many hours each day did you attend classes?
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?
-What was the quality of HLA's study program?
-What percentage is "self-study"?

The program:
-Describe "realizations."
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?
-Talk about the seminars.  Were you sleep deprived?  Exercised to exhaustion?  Deprived of regular meals and hydration?
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names?  Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?

I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.

I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:

"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website.  They have sued people.  Believe it or not, they are still watching you."

Post em all you want, nobody can sue you for posting names!

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:

"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website.  They have sued people.  Believe it or not, they are still watching you."

Now there's a shocking revelation.  They've sued three people in the past six months that I know of, and probably some more that I don't.

They have several staff members who monitor this board day and night.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-25 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA.  He did the work.  He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him.  He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him."

That's great.  I'd be proud of him too.  One question though:  why did he have to find people who wanted to help?  Why didn't they just help him?

Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway.  You're wrong in this case.  He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit."

Again, why is there "lies and bullshit" going on there?  What lies and what bullshit?  Enlighten us.  Why did your kid need to fight the system to succeed?  Isn't that a little backwards, especially in light of the pricetag?

"I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid.  He'll tell you the truth."

 


I agree wholeheartedly.  Parents should not believe a single word of HLA's sales pitch.

[Exterior]

That's great.  I'd be proud of him too.  One question though:  why did he have to find people who wanted to help?  Why didn't they just help him?

I wish I knew.

[LMJ630]

I'm a bit confused at HLA's logic.  They post the names of the entire staff on their website.  Why would they get upset when a staff member's name is posted elsewhere.  It's public knowledge.

I'm starting to believe that HLA is as bad as - if not worse than - the other schools I have started researching.

Good luck to all you survivors and thanks for providing me with information.  Adios!

[Anonymous]

That's great.  I'd be proud of him too.  One question though:  why did he have to find people who wanted to help?  Why didn't they just help him?

I wish I could answer that question.  That's what makes it all suck. But at least he's one "survivor" who actually survived.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-25 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

That's great.  I'd be proud of him too.  One question though:  why did he have to find people who wanted to help?  Why didn't they just help him?

I wish I could answer that question.  That's what makes it all suck. But at least he's one "survivor" who actually survived."

Again, great.  It shows a lot about your kid's character.

What I'm not understanding is how you support a program that obviously did not even attempt to help your kid.  He had to do it himself while he was hinderd by the program and staff.

I don't get that.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-25 05:55:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"

On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:


"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website.  They have sued people.  Believe it or not, they are still watching you."

Now there's a shocking revelation.  They've sued three people in the past six months that I know of, and probably some more that I don't.



They have several staff members who monitor this board day and night.
"

Make that 4 and two in the past week.  They are very busy with the suppression machine lately.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-25 05:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:


"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website.  They have sued people.  Believe it or not, they are still watching you."

Post em all you want, nobody can sue you for posting names! "

Yeah, this is true. They post their staff names on their own website. Evidently, they don't consider this confidential information. In some jurisdictions, school or program staff names are actually public record as a matter of law.

Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
--  ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.

[Antigen]

Ok, getting back to the original topic:

On 2006-01-25 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA.  He did the work.  He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him.  He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him.



Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway.  You're wrong in this case.  He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit.



I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid.  He'll tell you the truth.  







"

At the end of the day, I think ya'll believe almost everything you say (except when you're being facetous, and I don't consider facetiousness to be a crime). But I think you're mistaken about a good many things.

In my opinion, it's just a nifty bit of slight of mind. As no one has a crystal ball that works, no one on the planet can say what would have happened had these kids not gone to HLA or any other BM program.

So saying that you sent your kid to a program is the reason he/she grew up and is doing well is about like saying the rooster's crowing caused the Sun to rise.

And, as the industry has not published studies on the methods and techniques used in this industry, no one can attribute cause and effect wrt the kids who are 'treated'. The only studies I know of that even address the question are one done by a Senate commission back in `74 which resulted in all federal funding for such experimental treatments be contingent on having consent forms signed by parents and clients specifically stating that they know they're undergoing dangerous experimental treatment. The other one just came out recently. It was done by National Institute of Mental Health, I do believe, and suggests that this form of treatment is inneffective in the long term and can be harmful.

I don't think anyone's angry over the fact that HLA and other programs in the industry do market research. I think DJ is a little frustrated over your seeming obtuseness over the difference between market research and clinical research.

God is the...refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find no sanctuary in His arms, but...a kind of superiority, soothing to their...egos: He will set them above their betters.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-25 05:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"Thanks for posting, bro.



Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?



Sexual relations between staff and students:

-What do you know about this?

-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?

-How old were the victims?  Under 16?

-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?

-What about kids having sex with eachother?



Restrictions:

-What kind of work did you do?

-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?

-How long were you on restrictions each time?

-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?

-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?

-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)

-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)

-What about forced exercise?  What kind/how much?



Your education:

-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?

-How many hours each day did you attend classes?

-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?

-What was the quality of HLA's study program?

-What percentage is "self-study"?



The program:

-Describe "realizations."

-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?

-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?

-Talk about the seminars.  Were you sleep deprived?  Exercised to exhaustion?  Deprived of regular meals and hydration?

-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?

-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names?  Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?



I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.



I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.
"

I guess we're not going to get the answers to these questions from the recent attendee of HLA.  He's been served and won't be posting.

Anyone else care to pick up the yoke for this poor boy and answer these questions?