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« on: January 12, 2006, 10:06:00 PM »
Who would like to start first?

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 10:55:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-12 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who would like to start first?



-survivor :smile:"


Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Can we even calculate how many, or is there too many to calculate?

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 11:55:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-12 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Who would like to start first?





-survivor :smile:"




Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Can we even calculate how many, or is there too many to calculate?



-DP :smile:

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
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Too many to calculate.  But for starters - how about the denial of mandatory education (first two phases), denial of the right to privacy or cruel and unusual punishment?

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2006, 07:19:00 PM »
How about illegal incarceration?
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2006, 09:16:00 PM »
How about criminal harassment and slander?

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2006, 10:53:00 PM »
We are off to a good start here....
Here is another one towards the calculation: How about KHK sending children to what they call "Host homes", but what they really are are FOSTER HOMES, yet the homes that they send the children to are actually unlicensed to be foster homes. That is definitely breaking the law. KHK has no permit authorized by the state of Ohio to be a "referral agency" for fosters homes....and they are not an "outpatient" treatment center considering that "treatment" is also conducted and carried on at these "Host Homes" as per the programs rules. They are also not an inpatient facility b/c of the fact that the kids never sleep at the building. SO, they are breaking the law by acting as a "referral agency" for foster homes when they have no license or authority to do so.

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2006, 11:01:00 PM »
So far, let's see here...we have a tally of Seven laws broken.....hmmmm ...not very good KHK, shame on you!

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2006, 03:23:00 PM »
How about neglect, which is a form of abuse. :skull:
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2006, 05:16:00 PM »
Ye are correct! Neglect is a form of abuse, is KHK neglecting it's "patients"? They did when I was there.....right down to letting girls sit in their period blood flooded pants without letting them get clean.....sick and nasty and just plain neglectful and wrong!

Are they still using this neglect as a form of what they insist as being "positive peer pressure"?

So the law breaking tally for KHK if the neglect thing still exists is up to 8 now.

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2006, 08:56:00 PM »
Is there a law against minors being watched while showering, defecating, and urinating? It wasn't unusual to have an oldcomer over the age of eighteen looking on. As an adult, I think about this often. What if I were to force my way into a bathroom occupied by a minor and then tell him that he could not shower or use the toilet without my supervision? Imagine the police being informed of this behavior. Not only would I get arrested, I'd be designated as a sex predator as well.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2006, 09:25:00 PM »
Here?s something else that just occurred to me. I live in Massachusetts. In the summer of 2004, a local contractor and landlord was caught filming his tenants (a single mother and her children) in the bathroom of one of his properties. One of the children had discovered the camera in a register vent, and the police were able to trace the cable directly to the man's house. He later committed suicide. The newspapers stated that there are no specific laws against filming adults (unless sound is used), but filming minors is definitely a criminal offense. Now consider the physical proximity of an adult oldcomer in a bathroom and how much more intrusive his or her presence is than a voyeur?s surveillance system.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2006, 05:11:00 AM »
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Who said it?

 

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2006, 12:06:00 AM »
Well hell yes! Don't ye think when ye are sent to a program like Straight Inc. or KHK where they strip search ye before going into group......being forced to strip off your clothes in front of like 4-5 other kids/adults (especially being restrained and strip searched) against your will isn't some type of molestation of sorts? Definitely a proxemis violation....
Also the bathroom....meaning non privacy in the bathrooms....and oldcomer watching a childs naked body while showering, and oldcomer watching while a child has a bowel movement or while urinating....and how about staff watching time-outters masturbating on a tiny video camera that is linked to staff office? What is that considered....????????

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2006, 02:23:00 PM »
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Also the bathroom....meaning non privacy in the bathrooms....and oldcomer watching a childs naked body while showering, and oldcomer watching while a child has a bowel movement or while urinating....and how about staff watching time-outters masturbating on a tiny video camera that is linked to staff office? What is that considered....????????



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Just think about the trouble a parent in their own home would be in by employing the same practices - even with a child of the same sex.  

There was an article some years ago - it might have been in FL - about a woman who was brought up on abuse charges for continuing to breast feed her 12 year old.  Don't know the outcome of that.

But, it's loosely relvant in the sense that yes, you watch your four year old do poopies and praise him for it - that's not abuse.  But invading your fourTEEN year old's privacy while he/she does poopies is quite something else... like sick.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2006, 05:42:00 PM »
KHK continues to defend the practice of bathroom monitoring because of suicide concerns, although now Penny Walker claims that no direct supervision is required. Oldcomers, she claims, now stand outside the ajar door of the bathroom, although conflicting reports have surfaced. We know that it's business as usual, and that one's business is not his or her private business as long as KHK has any say in the matter.

The enforced supervision of bathroom time is perhaps the most troubling aspect of the program's protocol. The claim that newcomers are a suicide risk and must be watched at all times is at best out of synch with other facilities that utilize healthy, non-abusive models of treatment.

Having spent time in KHK and then a hospital setting drug treatment facility, I can state with certainty that bathroom monitoring of this degree is not the norm. The hospital facility in which I spent six weeks had communal bathrooms with toilet and shower stalls. This program was very structured, and one was monitored frequently. Yet the qualified people who designed the protocol saw no need to trample upon basic human dignity because of suicide fears.
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