Let us talk about the laws KHK has been violating

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2006-01-16 14:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"KHK continues to defend the practice of bathroom monitoring because of suicide concerns...

Would someone please explain these suicide concerns to me?  Especially since you've

• already been strip searched on the same day of your first tinkle in a KHK bathroom


• been monitored to the point of "mouth inspection" in the subsequent days

Maybe someone who's attained awareness might tell us how in the world you justify a "Suicide Watch" in a toilet when one can't have enough privacy before or after to even stash a tampon to avoid having to ask?

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

[TimeBomb]

And I wonder why anyone would even want to commit suicide in such a positive program that builds self-esteem.

[Antigen]

What's the difference between what KHK does and what this guy did?

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A hoax most cruel

By Andrew Wolfson
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Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-16 15:17:00, TimeBomb wrote:

"And I wonder why anyone would even want to commit suicide in such a positive program that builds self-esteem."

An excellent point. Bathroom monitoring to this degree brings into serious question the program's merit. If suicide is this much of a concern, then what about the program drives a patient there in the first place?

The severity of supervision is damning. They show that they are terribly concerned and must override all privacy in the name of client security. It's like a race against time, trying to keep your miserable starving lab animal from finding a way to eat poison and terminate its own misery.

[Antigen]

Yeah, come to think of it, I wonder how the rents ta' day manage to swallow the cover story? I mean, in the `70's and (to some degree) the `80's, our rents probably took Art and Virgil's word for it that MJ withdraw causes suicide. But now? NOW???

I just don't know what these people are thinking.

Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!

--Andi, domestic goddess

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2006-01-16 15:36:00, Antigen wrote:

"What's the difference between what KHK does and what this guy did?
.....

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbc ... /510090392

NOTHING, on the surface.. but I think the motivation is different.

KHK and the rest of the klan believed they were doing "good" work in saving kids from themselves, even when the thinking part of their brains told them their job was all bullshit.

"Officer Scott" is far removed, although the outcome was the same.  Don't know his motivation, but it really looks like a thrillseeking voyeur undertaking.  He's not striking me as a true believer... maybe a "troubled individual" ( :grin: ), but I'm not getting the feeling he knew anything about this girl other than that she gave him change for a cheeseburger, and he developed a sick fixation.

To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
http://lfb.com/?stocknumber=FF7485&code=10247' target='_new'> Thomas Jefferson Letter to Elias Shipman and others of New Haven, July 12, 1801.

[Anonymous]

Maybe someone who's attained awareness might tell us how in the world you justify a "Suicide Watch" in a toilet when one can't have enough privacy before or after to even stash a tampon to avoid having to ask?

 We all know the answer already. Suicide is not the primary concern any more than the Ministry of Love's mission is to give love back to a thought criminal. The real purpose of bathroom monitoring is to push to the furthest degree possible the undermining of self reliance and self identity. The person is reduced to the toddler stage, while the bathroom monitor becomes a kind of new parent looking on. One is forced to accept the symbolism of the predicament. The ownership of his or her most natural and private functions is assured. Lesson after lesson of belittlement quashes the sense of self-ownership and reinforces the program's ownership of the non-individual.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-16 15:47:00, Antigen wrote:

"Yeah, come to think of it, I wonder how the rents ta' day manage to swallow the cover story? I mean, in the `70's and (to some degree) the `80's, our rents probably took Art and Virgil's word for it that MJ withdraw causes suicide. But now? NOW???



I just don't know what these people are thinking.

Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!

--Andi, domestic goddess

"

Could you explain what "MJ" stands for? I'm also not sure that I understand the term "rents" here. Thank you.

[Antigen]

MJ = Marijuana
Rents = short for parents

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry

[Anonymous]

Of course! The "MJ withdrawal" sounded to me like it had been lifted from the New England Journal of Medicine. It occured to me seconds after posting what it stood for.

[Deprogrammed]

Ginger,
These KHK people are obviously only thinking about the almighty dollar , once again unfortunately.....The abusive, systematic set-up of the program itself can make a child who feels helpless and trapped there not want to live anymore , therefore contemplating suicide.

Also
I saw that bit about "officer Scott" making that girl strip search over the phone.....That guy got caught and busted...so why is it allowed in KHK....truly sickening isn't it?

Why is this irresponsible staff behavior allowed in the name of treatment.......but if ye do it in "the outside world" ye are going to jail? I will tell ye why, outside it is "wrong"...inside "treatment" "abusive treatment" these people will sacrifice anything to "get that lying druggie STRAIGHT".....completely ridiculous....

Noone should be abused, molested, stripped of their human dignity, and forever scarred in the name of any kind of Medical treatment, whether it be a drug treatment or cancer treatment...and that is my final answer!.

 ::soapbox::

KHK needs to check itself and get a clue ...the phone has been ringing for 23 years now Penny, answer it for god's sake!

-DP :smokin:

Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;

He who would search for perls must dive below.

Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0510337112/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue

[Deprogrammed]

So, what is the law breaking tally now people?
Who has the count?

love ye!
-DP

I would not let my children go to SW anymore than I would let them sleep in Michael Jackson's bed. I don't care if he was aquitted, it just ain't right.

http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=2703' target='_new'>AtomicAnt

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-17 17:05:00, Deprogrammed wrote:

"So, what is the law breaking tally now people?

Who has the count?



love ye!

-DP

I would not let my children go to SW anymore than I would let them sleep in Michael Jackson's bed. I don't care if he was aquitted, it just ain't right.

http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=2703' target='_new'>AtomicAnt

"

It was at eight before I started the bathroom monitoring discussion. How many violations of the law does the bathroom issue add to this number?

[Deprogrammed]

Well I think that we can confidently add the tally as nine b/c of the fact that at times there are actual adult(oldcomers) looking on as a child client is using the bathroom, which would make it something like gross imposition of a minor maybe?

Someone help me with this particular law here...
Ginger? Helena?

-dp :scared:

Every man thinks God is on his side. The rich and powerful know he is.
--Jean Anouilh, French dramatist and playwright

[Deprogrammed]

EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-7
C. Sexual Battery
1. ELEMENTS OF SEXUAL BATTERY
ORC 2907.03
SPO #1
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-8
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
a. Engage in sexual conduct?
b. With another person not the spouse of the
offender when any of the following apply:
1. Offender knowingly coerces the other person
to submit by any means that would prevent
resistance by a person of ordinary resolution
OR
2. Offender knows that the other person?s ability
to appraise the nature of or control his or her
conduct is substantially impaired
OR
3. Offender knows the other person submits
because he or she is unaware the act is being
committed
OR
4. Offender knows the other person submits
because s/he mistakenly identifies the
offender as his or her spouse
OR
5. Offender is other person?s natural or adoptive
parent, step-parent, guardian, custodian or
person in loco parentis
OR
6. Other person is in custody of law or is a
patient in a hospital or other institution AND
offender has supervisory or disciplinary
authority over the person
7. The offender is a teacher, administrator, coach
or other person in authority employed by a
school governed by state board of education,
the other person is enrolled/attends that
school and the offender is not enrolled in that
school
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-9
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
8. The other person is a minor enrolled in an
institution of higher education and the offender
is a teacher, administrator, coach or other
person in authority employed by that institution
9. The other person is a minor and the offender
is the other person?s coach, instructor, scout
troop leader or person with temporary or
occasional disciplinary control over the other
person
10. The offender is a mental health professional?
and?
a. The victim is a patient?
and?
b. The offender induces the victim to submit
by falsely representing that sexual conduct
is necessary for mental health treatment
purposes
2. Degree of offense:
a. F-3 in all circumstances;
b. Mandatory sentence of at least 3 years
3. Interpretation of Elements
a. Person ?In Loco Parentis? is a person who has
assumed the dominant parental role and is relied
upon by the child for support
b. A teacher or coach is not considered to be ?in loco
parentis?
c. A POLICE OFFICER WHO ENGAGES IN
SEXUAL CONDUCT WITH A PRISONER IS
GUILTY OF SEXUAL BATTERY, EVEN IF THE
SEXUAL CONDUCT WAS CONSENSUAL
D. Unlawful Sexual Conduct with a minor
1. ELEMENTS OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL CONDUCT
WITH A MINOR
State v. Moggle (1993) 67
Ohio St. 3d 31
SPO #1
ORC 2907.04
ORC 2907.04
SPO #1
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-10
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
a. A person, 18 years old or older?
b. Engages in sexual conduct?
c. With another person who is not his or her spouse
when:
1. Offender knows the other person is 13 years
of age or older, but less than 16 years of age
OR
2. Offender is reckless in this regard
2. Degree of Offense
a. F-4
b. Offender is less than 4 years older than other
person, M-1
c. If the offender is 10 or more years older than the
victim; F-3
d. If offender has been previously convicted of Rape,
Sexual Battery, Unlawful Sexual Conduct with a
Minor, or the former crime of Felonious Sexual
Penetration; F-2
3. Interpreting Elements
a. Prohibition of sexual conduct when offenders 18
or over and partner is 13 to 15 years of age:
1. Defendant is 18 and partner is 15 (M-1)
2. Defendant is 25 and partner is 15 (F-4)
3. Defendant is 16 and partner is 15 (No offense)
4. Defendant is 18 and partner is 12 (Rape)
b. Consensual sexual conduct is still a violation
E. Gross Sexual Imposition
1. ELEMENTS OF GROSS SEXUAL IMPOSITION
ORC 2907.05
SPO #1
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-11
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
a. Having sexual contact with another who is not the
spouse of the offender
OR
b. Causing another to have sexual contact with
offender who is not the spouse of the offender
OR
c. Cause 2 or more other persons to have sexual
contact
d. When any of the following applies:
1. Offender purposely compels the other person,
or one of the other persons, to submit by force
or threat of force
OR
2. For purpose of preventing resistance, offender
substantially impairs the other person?s, or one
of the other person?s judgment or control:
a. By administering any drug or intoxicant or
controlled substance
b. Surreptitiously
c. By Force
d. By threat of force
OR
e. By deception
OR
3. Offender knows that the other person?s or one
of the other person?s judgment or control is
substantially impaired by drug or intoxicant or
controlled substance administered with the
person?s consent for purpose of medical or
dental examination, treatment or surgery
OR
Sexual Contact Crime
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-12
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
4. Other person, or one of the other persons, is
less than 13 years old regardless of whether
offender knows the other person?s age
OR
5. Ability of other person or one of the other
person?s resistance or consent is substantially
impaired because of a mental or physical
condition or advanced age AND offender
knows or has reasonable cause to believe
ability to resist or consent of the other person,
or one of the other persons, is substantially
impaired because of mental or physical
condition or advanced age
2. F-4
3. If offender impairs victim?s judgment by administration
of a controlled substance surreptitiously or by force,
threat of force or deception; F-3
4. When victim is under 13 years of age; F-3
5. Interpreting Elements
a. Same elements as rape, except sexual contact as
opposed to sexual conduct
b. A father who touches his minor daughter?s
buttocks with wrongful intent during a back-rub
can be convicted for gross sexual imposition
c. A man who backs a woman co-worker against a
wall and places his arms in such a way that she
cannot move away is exerting sufficient force to
sustain a conviction of gross sexual imposition
d. Victim need not prove physical resistance to
sustain a conviction for Gross Sexual Imposition
F. Sexual Imposition
1. ELEMENTS OF SEXUAL IMPOSITION
a. Have sexual contact with another who is not the
offender?s spouse
OR
State v. Schaim (1992) 65
Ohio St. 3d 51
ORC 2907.06
SPO #1
TOPIC 2C: OHIO REVISED CODE 2907, SEXUAL ASSAULT
PEACE OFFICER BASIC TRAINING CURRICULUM
EFFECTIVE 2/1/06 VERSION 1.04
UNIT 2: LEGAL 2-2C-13
OHIO PEACE OFFICER TRAINING COMMISSION
b. Cause another to have sexual contact with the
offender who is not the spouse of the offender
OR
c. Cause 2 or more others to have sexual contact
WHEN
d. Any of the following applies:
1. Offender knows the sexual contact is offensive
to the other person OR one of the other
persons OR is reckless in that regard
2. Offender knows the other person?s, ability to
appraise the nature of his conduct or to control
his conduct is substantially impaired
OR
3. Offender knows the other person, or one of the
other persons, submits because of being
unaware of the sexual contact
OR
4. The other person, or one of the other persons,
is 13 years of age or older but less than 16
years of age regardless of whether offender
knows such age and offender is at least 18
years old and 4 or more years older than the
other person
5. The offender is a mental health professional?
and?
a. The victim is a patient?
and?
b. The offender induces the victim to submit
by falsely represent that sexual contact is
necessary for mental health treatment
purposes

We meet every day in school a reflection of the national leadership class displaying every indication it has abandoned its fundamental American obligation to raise ordinary people up, becoming instead an overseas transmitter of the original mother ideas of England.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/16f.htm' target='_new'>John Taylor Gatto