Spring Creek Lodge

[Anonymous]

somebody really screwed up this pg...plz make it stop! :smile:

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-03-01 19:46:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

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On 2006-03-01 19:37:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:


"Goodnite, I can't take anymore."

Good riddance!



PS-I hope the judge reams his parents for having the same type of attitude, and disrespect that you show here for the law.



See ya tomorrow!"

You are sooo funny. You respect the law. What has the law done for you. In one breath the laws suck that is why this is happening to kids in the next breath.... having the same type of attitude, and disrespect that you show here for the law. Make up your mind. If you have one. Maybe you can buy one with your millions. You still havent answered my question. Is it not worth your money to get these places closed?

[CCM girl 1989]

Okay, I have a few minutes to respond since my hubby is having me Tivo Deal or No Deal in the bedroom, and I prefer American Idol.


My Aunt had NO CLUE what type of place I was in, and what was happening. She thought I was at boarding school having a great time, and since I could call no one except for my parents once a week, I couldn't tell her where I was.

Furthermore, I didn't run away with an address book in hand. Address books don't exist in these places.

I lost touch with my family over the four years I was in these hell holes. I thought everybody had disowned me. I thought nobody loved me. I felt alone. It was horrible.

Back then, there was no such thing as the internet. Cross Creek (WWASPS first school) had just opened, so nobody knew much about it. You have the ability to research anything, and everything you want about these places, and you do. The funny thing is you are in denial. These places are as awful as everybody says.

This time, I swear, is all folks!!!

Goodnight!

Surprised to learn my pare

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

ya his real friends that let him take all the blame. Cant even admit there part in it. Lied this whole time and from what I have heard is still lieing. What is amazing to me I have never said I support this program I only said I understand why his parents put him there in the biggining and I understand there feelings. That I know they are good parents not parents that want to have a life without there kids like most of yours did. But you get out of that..That I support the program? Wow and you wonder why people can't relate.

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-03-01 20:54:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

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On 2006-03-01 19:46:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:


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On 2006-03-01 19:37:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:



"Goodnite, I can't take anymore."

Good riddance!





PS-I hope the judge reams his parents for having the same type of attitude, and disrespect that you show here for the law.





See ya tomorrow!"

You are sooo funny. You respect the law. What has the law done for you. In one breath the laws suck that is why this is happening to kids in the next breath.... having the same type of attitude, and disrespect that you show here for the law. Make up your mind. If you have one. Maybe you can buy one with your millions. You still havent answered my question. Is it not worth your money to get these places closed?"

Compared to the millions WWASPS has made off these parents, I have mere peanuts. To others I am rich. Think what you want to. I don't give a shit.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-03-01 20:36:00, Eudora wrote:

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On 2006-03-01 13:50:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


Gotta love the internet I learned how to read IP's

ORLY! Care to tell me how you're hacking my server to get that confidential info?

By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. Eighty percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled, despite the fact that we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago.
--Vin Suprynowicz

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I have friends in low places

[CCM girl 1989]

CIM  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-03-01 21:00:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Okay, I have a few minutes to respond since my hubby is having me Tivo Deal or No Deal in the bedroom, and I prefer American Idol.





My Aunt had NO CLUE what type of place I was in, and what was happening. She thought I was at boarding school having a great time, and since I could call no one except for my parents once a week, I couldn't tell her where I was.



Furthermore, I didn't run away with an address book in hand. Address books don't exist in these places.



I lost touch with my family over the four years I was in these hell holes. I thought everybody had disowned me. I thought nobody loved me. I felt alone. It was horrible.



Back then, there was no such thing as the internet. Cross Creek (WWASPS first school) had just opened, so nobody knew much about it. You have the ability to research anything, and everything you want about these places, and you do. The funny thing is you are in denial. These places are as awful as everybody says.



This time, I swear, is all folks!!!



Goodnight!



Surprised to learn my pare

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This is what I mean she dodge it again. soo agian how did her Aunt save her? She thinks I can save Alex the same way. what wait until he gets out and I learn what has happened to him. duh what do you think I am doing. I dont care how rich you are you can't buy brains.

I love how you can jump on me for doing nothing when there is nothing I can do. But you seem to just egnore the fact that I do think it is wrong the way you were treated I want you to call your dad and tell me he is a dick for choosing a wife over his daughter. I agree really you should have never spent 4+ years there nobody should. I also believe that 12 years old is way to young and a bad time in a kids life to be sent to one of these places. Unless he was killing and raping people. Do you give me credit for that hell no. It is all your way or no way.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-03-01 21:05:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"CIM  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: "

this really shows how much you have grown up. in your 30's you say...hmm

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-01 17:18:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Dear Aunt Shelly and CIM,



I just ordered Maia's book Help At Any Cost. Would you like me to send it to you when I am through? Seriously, I am more then happy to pay the postage.



Let me know, and provide your mailing information via private message.



It might help you to have a better understanding of how these programs work, because right now you don't have a clue."

Yeah, buy that book! Maia has light experience w/ the troubled parent/substance abuse industry, but her real strength is as an investigative journalist. She tells a few stories in detail, backing her conclusions it w/ samples from the rest of the industry. The real strength of the story, though, is in how she ties it all together.

Aunties, you're being had. You want so badly to believe that WWASP has The Answer® to all of Alexe's problems. But you've been rooked out of even considering that maybe his problems are not so insoluble, maybe his angst is just a healthy, sensible response to what you have put on his plate.

Trust him, damn it! You always knew they would critique your work. Now comes the time to stand scrutiny. You can do it. Have faith. He can do it, and he loves you. Have faith in that.

Fuck those self appointed self help gurus who can't help themselves! They're lying to you to save their own egos. Don't fall for it!

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
--Anonymous

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-01 18:16:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

 Like always your .02 is wrong again. I have also read a book about seed or seedling. There is alot about me I haven't said and you don't know.
I don't have to share everything here.

If you were in Ft. Lauderdale, I was the little blond super Seedling on the parents' side. They called me "the chicklett". Were you there? You might want to hook up w/ your fellow travelers in The Seed Discussion Forum.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-01 18:32:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"I have a question..........are Alex's parents going to follow court orders, and bring him home?



Just answer the question, are they, or aren't they?



It's real simple, and I know you know the answer."

Or will they see themselves as being above the law and agree to have him shipped to Jamaica or Costa Rica? Ya know, when people think they're working for a higher cause, they'll even kill for it and expect God's blessing for it. That's what makes them so damed dangerous!

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato

[Antigen]

On 2006-03-01 19:23:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

The only new Alex anyone would like to see is a sober one

Maybe he was more sober than ever, more sober than you ever dared to be, by challenging your paint by numbers world view. Do you dare think it? No, I guess not. Far easier to think that he lacked the "tools" to see things your way.

Meanwhile, while Alext is being broke down to sing your tune and pretend he likes it, his olddruggiegirlfriend is winning hard fought academic awards and career starting merit in the real world. Just like that olddrugieboyfriend of mine who was in Berkely school of music by the time I found myself knocked up and friendless after all the "help" I got from the Program.

His dad was none too keen on my hooking back up w/ him. After all, I had been through rehab. Olaf was doing very well. I never pressed it. I didn't have the confidence after all that.

Think, please!

I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life -- our desire to go on living -- our dread of coming to an end.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

"old druggie girl friend is winning hard fought academic awards and career starting merit in the real world." That is great if she keeps it up.

I don't see her as an old druggie girl friend. I see her and Alex as young adults that got caught up in some bad drugs. You only know what they want you to know about her. There is a lot you have know idea about. It isn't my place to put that info here. Nobody would benefit from it. Just as nobody benefited from the things they said about Alex's mom to get your attention. It isn't my place to state some things that really happen. Things she chooses to lie about or chooses not to say. She will have to live with these things. It is between her mom and her, and Alex and her.

"Maybe he was more sober than ever, more sober than you ever dared to be, by challenging your paint by numbers world view. Do you dare think it? No, I guess not. Far easier to think that he lacked the "tools" to see things your way."

What are you talking about. Wow some things you say. Ya he was sober we just didn't wanted him anymore. Like your family. Is that what you want to hear?  

"Or will they see themselves as being above the law and agree to have him shipped to Jamaica or Costa Rica?"
I guess we will just have to see.

"I was the little blond super Seedling on the parents' side. They called me "the chicklett". Were you there?"
Well lets see hmm I have only said like 100 times that I have never been in one of these programs and didn't know anyone who was so I guess the answer would be NO. But you already knew that didn't you? Are you reading the things I write? If you were the chicklett then this was a long time ago. Let's hope some things have changed.

"He can do it, and he loves you. Have faith in that."
I know he can and I hope he loves me and hopefully through all this we will have a stronger relationship.

"They're lying to you to save their own egos. Don't fall for it!"
Sorry but they are not lying to me because I have never talked to them![ This Message was edited by: CaughtInTheMiddle on 2006-03-02 04:40 ]

[Ashley's Mom]

On 2006-03-02 04:38:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

""old druggie girl friend is winning hard fought academic awards and career starting merit in the real world." That is great if she keeps it up.



I don't see her as an old druggie girl friend. I see her and Alex as young adults that got caught up in some bad drugs. You only know what they want you to know about her. There is a lot you have know idea about. It isn't my place to put that info here. Nobody would benefit from it. Just as nobody benefited from the things they said about Alex's mom to get your attention. It isn't my place to state some things that really happen. Things she chooses to lie about or chooses not to say. She will have to live with these things. It is between her mom and her, and Alex and her.

Okay, I guess this is where I come in and tell everyone that Yes, Ashley was using drugs too.  This was never denied.  Which drugs and to what extent was kept from us. I don't feel I need to list all the drugs, whatever Alex was using, she was using too. She was afraid to tell us everything.  We know now, and that is what counts.  At this time, she is not using and I believe her when she tells us she has learned a hard lesson.  You know, there are still so many things my parents never found out about me, and they probably never will. I was never caught, so why tell?  These kids got caught and had to fess up to some pretty heavy stuff.  Fear plays a pretty big role in confession.  Ashley was not locked up and forced to confess everything to us.  It took her three months, a little at a time, it was hard to take, but its over.  We move forward.

Life deals some hard lessons.  Some learn from them and become better people.


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