Spring Creek Lodge

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Something like he has been programmed.  :grin:

I want him to be happy and heading in the right direction. We also can't wait to see him, because we miss and love him.

I hope he is in the percentage of kids that get something out of this program. Nothing I have seen from him so far would indicate anything else.

[CCM girl 1989]

I hope he is in the percentage of kids that get something out of this program. Nothing I have seen from him so far would indicate anything else. "

From my personal experience, and going back many years..........the only thing that program will do for Alex is put fear into his mind. You're thinking, great that's what we want! But, the problem is, these programs don't get inside you to fix what it is that is really troubling you. Not only that, but it really screws up the trust between parent/child forever. Your kid will never forgive you.

I am sure Ashley will tell him about us here. Or it'll get to him one way or another. We look forward to hearing his side of the story. I'm not sure we'll get it as long as he is depending on his parents for food/shelter/college.

What about the hundreds of other kids in these programs?

What are we going to do about them?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-28 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its criminal court that he is dealing with, not family."

Families can be crueler than any court, particularly the relatives in dysfunctional families who are convinced they're doing something "for your own good."

I've seen it about a gazillion times.

With relatives like his, Alex doesn't need enemies.

At least a court is neutral.

Julie

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

How do you know his parents haven't already told him about this site? You are assuming things again.

What are you going to say if he gets home and doesn't feel the same way as you do?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

It amazes me how you can continue to assume you know his parents/relatives. Still waiting to see the degree you have that gives you all this knowledge to label and say you know people you haven't met.

It is very apparent that you families was very dysfunctional. The seed doesn't fall far from the tree as they say.

Not all parents throw their kids in there for years and don't participate. They have talked to Alex on a couple of occasions, I guess things have changed a little seeing you say you can't talk to your kid on the phone.

I even wonder if your name is really Julie?
hmm maybe I will check ip address    :lol:

[CCM girl 1989]

What are you going to say if he gets home and doesn't feel the same way as you do? "

If he feels like it made a huge (possitive)impact on him, and really helped him out..........well then I guess he can tell the judge that, and go back. There are lots of other programs WWASPS has he can enroll in too. Hell, if he really supports the program encourage him to start an I love WWASPS group, it'll be the first of it's kind.

Just playing, anyway...........I would be shocked if he was anything but completely grateful for us all (most of all the judge), for getting him the hell out of there.

Now he can receive real treatment.

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-03-01 10:18:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"It amazes me how you can continue to assume you know his parents/relatives. Still waiting to see the degree you have that gives you all this knowledge to label and say you know people you haven't met.



It is very apparent that you families was very dysfunctional. The seed doesn't fall far from the tree as they say.



Not all parents throw their kids in there for years and don't participate. They have talked to Alex on a couple of occasions, I guess things have changed a little seeing you say you can't talk to your kid on the phone.



I even wonder if your name is really Julie?

hmm maybe I will check ip address    :lol:  "

You're right, and all of us are wrong. Blah blah blah........something about us being from dysfunctional families..........seeds not falling far from the tree........blah blah blah.

I came from a dysfunctional family, I am not disfunctional myself. NO, I do not credit Cross Creek Manor for making me functional. I do not credit God either (if there were a god, I wouldn't have been in that hell hole to begin with).

Hey, I don't have kids right now. But, I promise you I will do a much better job then Alex's parents did with him.

I would never farm out my parental responsibilities to a complete stranger. I would take care of things myself.

To the rest of the family that just sits by, and lets this happen..........you're not off the hook.

The law is the law. He will come home, and face the judge in court. All we ever wanted was him to be able to have the chance to speak. He's getting that chance now, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.

What's that song?

I fought the law, and the law won!!!

I forget who sings that, but it popped into my head!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

"All we ever wanted was him to be able to have the chance to speak. He's getting that chance now, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it."

Unless he likes the program or what if he doesn't like it but he got something out of it. Then you wont want to hear from him. You will probably call him a troll...  :lol:

I am not unhappy he is coming home I can't wait to see him so there isn't a damn thing I want to do about it.

By the way my post was for Julie or whoever.

She always tries to say what kind of family he has even though she has never met them. I may not know about these programs seeing I have never been in one or even known anyone in one. I will soon find out. Maybe I should try to act like I know what I am talking about. Just like thoughs of you who don't know us but pretend you do. How sad.

But I do know his family and she is sooo far off.

Remember Alex will read this. Even if he wasn't happy there, I believe he will remember the deep love our family has, and we will get through it.

There are kids who re connect with their families. I really am sorry you didn't that must be awful. IMO it is wrong to see every family in the same way you see yours.

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-03-01 07:59:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"

I hope he is in the percentage of kids that get something out of this program. Nothing I have seen from him so far would indicate anything else. "

From my personal experience, and going back many years..........the only thing that program will do for Alex is put fear into his mind. You're thinking, great that's what we want! But, the problem is, these programs don't get inside you to fix what it is that is really troubling you. Not only that, but it really screws up the trust between parent/child forever. Your kid will never forgive you.



I am sure Ashley will tell him about us here. Or it'll get to him one way or another. We look forward to hearing his side of the story. I'm not sure we'll get it as long as he is depending on his parents for food/shelter/college.



What about the hundreds of other kids in these programs?



What are we going to do about them?"

First of all, his parents will be telling him about this site.  There is no way they could possibly not tell him.  And secondly, didn't I say that even if Alex posts here and states that he is well, you will come up with something to explain why he feels that way.  Not that anything done to help him maybe worked, it's because he still depends on his parents etc.  Nothing but an awful experience on his behalf will satify you because you can't be wrong can you?

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-03-01 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2006-02-28 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Its criminal court that he is dealing with, not family."

Families can be crueler than any court, particularly the relatives in dysfunctional families who are convinced they're doing something "for your own good."



I've seen it about a gazillion times.



With relatives like his, Alex doesn't need enemies.



At least a court is neutral.



Julie"

You know Julie Ive been impressed by some of the insightful things you have said.  But the above is just plain stupid.  If you knew the relatives you were referring to you would feel like a retard on the short bus.

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-03-01 10:21:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"

What are you going to say if he gets home and doesn't feel the same way as you do? "

If he feels like it made a huge (possitive)impact on him, and really helped him out..........well then I guess he can tell the judge that, and go back. There are lots of other programs WWASPS has he can enroll in too. Hell, if he really supports the program encourage him to start an I love WWASPS group, it'll be the first of it's kind.



Just playing, anyway...........I would be shocked if he was anything but completely grateful for us all (most of all the judge), for getting him the hell out of there.



Now he can receive real treatment."

Now Alex is the enemy because he may feel the program helped him?  What happened to helping him no matter what?  If he feels it helped him thats bad because nothing good can come from this right?  God your an ass too.

[CCM girl 1989]

CIM-
Of course I want to hear from Alex. As long as it is really him posting, and there is no gun pointed at his head when he tells us what is going on at SCL these days.

Your comment about Julie.......well, I really enjoying reading her posts. I think she has a lot of great/positive things to say. I know we don't know your family, but I promise if I ever make it to Michigan, I will make it a point to meet you, and Alex, and the whole gang.

Maybe, by the time that happens..........you all will of had time to sit back and reflect upon what happened, and what you did.

I have a feeling once emotions have calmed down, you'll be okay admitting you were wrong for sending him away to strangers to behaivor modification camp, and hopefully Alex will forgive you, and not hold it against you.

It took me 15 years to forgive my Father. I will never forget though. Just so I make myself clear.....I WILL NEVER FORGET.

I do hope that the family heals, and the relationship is strengthened between Alex, and his family. He needs them, not some stranger. Come on, you know I am right!

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-03-01 11:08:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"

On 2006-03-01 10:18:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


"It amazes me how you can continue to assume you know his parents/relatives. Still waiting to see the degree you have that gives you all this knowledge to label and say you know people you haven't met.





It is very apparent that you families was very dysfunctional. The seed doesn't fall far from the tree as they say.





Not all parents throw their kids in there for years and don't participate. They have talked to Alex on a couple of occasions, I guess things have changed a little seeing you say you can't talk to your kid on the phone.





I even wonder if your name is really Julie?


hmm maybe I will check ip address    :lol:  "

You're right, and all of us are wrong. Blah blah blah........something about us being from dysfunctional families..........seeds not falling far from the tree........blah blah blah.



I came from a dysfunctional family, I am not disfunctional myself. NO, I do not credit Cross Creek Manor for making me functional. I do not credit God either (if there were a god, I wouldn't have been in that hell hole to begin with).



Hey, I don't have kids right now. But, I promise you I will do a much better job then Alex's parents did with him.



I would never farm out my parental responsibilities to a complete stranger. I would take care of things myself.



To the rest of the family that just sits by, and lets this happen..........you're not off the hook.



The law is the law. He will come home, and face the judge in court. All we ever wanted was him to be able to have the chance to speak. He's getting that chance now, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.



What's that song?



I fought the law, and the law won!!!



I forget who sings that, but it popped into my head!



"

Excuse me again, but nobody has to bring him home and the state will not spend the money to do it themselves since he is not a murderer.  If he does come home it will be because his parents think that is best.  Also, he may be grateful for all the wonderful help you have given him, but he may also not appreciate his life story being on the internet for all to see.  Did you think about that Ashley and Leslie?

[CCM girl 1989]

Aunt Shelly,

Quit being such a bitch! You are really on my last nerve.

CCM girl 1989



Ps-Congats, you are the first person I've called a name like that on this site.

[CCM girl 1989]

Excuse me again, but nobody has to bring him home and the state will not spend the money to do it themselves since he is not a murderer.  If he does come home it will be because his parents think that is best.  Also, he may be grateful for all the wonderful help you have given him, but he may also not appreciate his life story being on the internet for all to see.  Did you think about that Ashley and Leslie?"

Wow, did you hear that judge? No respect for your orders. Great family, huh?

Printing as we speak........it will be mailed tomorrow morning.

Thanks for the post.