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« Reply #885 on: March 01, 2006, 07:05:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-01 15:25:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

"CCM Girl, How old are you?  I actually feel very immature being on this site and arguing with you as in the scheme of things it makes no difference to the outcome and that is what is important.  I do take issue with all the family bashing.  This family is obviously very different then yours. Your comments are related to your life experiences not this families.  I need to keep that in mind when you make me crazy with some of the things you say. "


I am not ashamed to admit my age, I am 32 years old. How old are you? Look, it's really simple. I have a thing against ALL parents who send their kids to schools that are run by WWASPS. With all the information out there, how could you let his parents make this decision?

I'm not meaning to drive you crazy lol even though you are driving me absolutley nuts!!!! Look, I don't see why you are posting on here? You seem to think you know it all!

You talk about how great exitplan is for not talking shit about Alex's family. He's been fighting you the whole way, trying to get you to see the light. So, he's not calling you a bitch, so what? He's signed out. Read his last post. He's frusterated, and is taking a break. Which is what I may do to, because you're a lost cause!!!
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« Reply #886 on: March 01, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
I don't know it all.  But I do know things regarding this situation that you don't.  I am 44.
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« Reply #887 on: March 01, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »
I also could care less about being called a bitch.  ive been called worse and got over it.
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« Reply #888 on: March 01, 2006, 08:09:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-01 15:05:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

"Dear Mr. Exit Plan,  You are one of the few people on this site who did not bash the family. Thank you.  Your information and personal story were very hard to read because your pain comes through each word, but it was also very informative.  I have been having a very hard time with some of the really stupid things said here about this family.  Do the people here really think that if these things were going on with Alex his parents  would just leave him there?  There has been contact with him and he is not being hurt or brainwashed.  And I also don't think there was a gun at his head during the 45 minute conversations.  Not to mention all of his personal letters.  His sense of humor seems to be intact also.  You should continue to spread your word because the information is invaluable."


Shelly, what you have to say really do not do much to sate our fears.

One of the things we've said from the get-go is they manipulate parents and communication so they think anything that is negative is lying or manipulation. So them thinking its all great and being told from the beginning not to believe us or their own kid so they think it IS all great when people have something to say otherwise and theyre told to ignore it doesnt really mean a lot, does it?

The seminars, which are rehashed Erhard Seminar Trainings (EST) being held in a LGAT form are simply unacceptable, period. Have you read up on them?

You say (as if you'd know...) that 'nobody had a gun to his head during phone conversations'.

They dont NEED one! The threat of more time in the program or dropping levels and losing more rights and dignity, and understanding that your parents WONT believe you if you tell them anything bad is going on does a pretty good job to make people keep in step in the line the program painted for them.

Furthermore, you call any sort of criticism "family bashing" and dont seem to accept what anyone has to say who has been in a program that DIDNT like them.

And another thing. These programs are EXTREMELY secretive, its damn near impossible to get any info out of there that isnt spun, controlled, censored or biased - dont you have a problem with that?

PS - youre using my old icon.

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« Reply #889 on: March 01, 2006, 08:18:00 PM »
Dear Aunt Shelly and CIM,

I just ordered Maia's book Help At Any Cost. Would you like me to send it to you when I am through? Seriously, I am more then happy to pay the postage.

Let me know, and provide your mailing information via private message.

It might help you to have a better understanding of how these programs work, because right now you don't have a clue.
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« Reply #890 on: March 01, 2006, 08:28:00 PM »
Hey I want a copy!!!!

Help a poor college kid?  :cry:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #891 on: March 01, 2006, 08:28:00 PM »
I have read your story I do not remember that part of it. Like I said some people shouldn't have kids and some send them there to get rid of them it is very sad.
Alex's Parents are not like that. This I do know. Yes I have a good relationship with my sister. She knows how I feel about this place and I understand how she feels. She isn't sending him away for a step dad she wants him to get help because she loves him and wants to see his life to be better then drugs. He is a great kid and will go far when he gets over this hump. She would never send him away that long. She also thinks 2+ years is to long. and 12 is to young. If I felt he was with parents that were not good parents as your Aunt did that would be a different story. Also when she found you and moved you in you were already out. I remember you saying you were dangling from a vacuum out the window and ran away that is why I didn't understand how your Aunt saved you. I will always be here for Alex I have let him know that and will continue. So it isn't like I am just leaving him there as you keep saying.
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« Reply #892 on: March 01, 2006, 08:30:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-01 17:18:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Dear Aunt Shelly and CIM,



I just ordered Maia's book Help At Any Cost. Would you like me to send it to you when I am through? Seriously, I am more then happy to pay the postage.



Let me know, and provide your mailing information via private message.



It might help you to have a better understanding of how these programs work, because right now you don't have a clue."


I purchased a copy already. It was next to the books that promote the program
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« Reply #893 on: March 01, 2006, 08:36:00 PM »
I've been on and off here since this whole thing started as an ex-WWASP kid in my 20's.  It seems that this has returned to the beginning days of mudslinging with nothing productive happening.  CCMGirl and Julie, I think you have accurate and valid points.  I was there and agree 100% with what you've said about WWASP, and I do predict that Alex won't be pro-WWASP once he is sure he's free for good.  I really don't think your approach is effective.  CCMGirl, in your case your family may have been willing to give your aunt and uncle custody, but these aunts haven't been granted that and have no legal ground to pull Alex or intervene in any way.  I personally see them as committed by being here, one of the only things they can do, and relaying info to his mom about concerns they read about on here.  That is how we can be effective with parents, in  my opinion, by saying what we went through and how we feel about it.

To the aunts, I see you being attacked and I think you are also being a bit immature by swearing at posters.  I, too, would want to defend my family.  However, you don't have to demean yourself by responding in a similarly childish manner.

Let's raise the bar, people.  There was some really useful information shared over the past few months.  Don't give the naysayers more reason to discredit this site- it takes away from its purpose, which I would hope is to End Institutionalized Child Abuse by spreading awareness.
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« Reply #894 on: March 01, 2006, 08:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-28 16:03:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

Also, I do know what I am talking about. Have you any contact with anyone in this family? With Alex? No. So there is now way you can know what he is experiencing.


No, of course not! He's in a WWASP program, you igit! Nobody has any contact with him, except for his parents and then only if he and they stick to the script.

Put down the kool aid! :roll:

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« Reply #895 on: March 01, 2006, 08:55:00 PM »
Niles,

Contact CIM, I believe she has a copy that's doing nothing but collecting dust.

That's my .02
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« Reply #896 on: March 01, 2006, 09:16:00 PM »
Like always your .02 is wrong again. I have also read a book about seed or seedling. There is alot about me I haven't said and you don't know.
I don't have to share everything here.

"To the aunts, I see you being attacked and I think you are also being a bit immature by swearing at posters. I, too, would want to defend my family. However, you don't have to demean yourself by responding in a similarly childish manner."

The only time that I have swore was after listening to total nonsence it takes it's toll. I have tried to be far if you noticed most things I have posted in asking how I could help ex.. Has always went unanswered.  It just turns back into a reflection of CCM's parents onto me. The Aunt. It isn't affective I have said that before.
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« Reply #897 on: March 01, 2006, 09:26:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-01 18:16:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"Like always your .02 is wrong again. I have also read a book about seed or seedling. There is alot about me I haven't said and you don't know.

I don't have to share everything here.



"To the aunts, I see you being attacked and I think you are also being a bit immature by swearing at posters. I, too, would want to defend my family. However, you don't have to demean yourself by responding in a similarly childish manner."



The only time that I have swore was after listening to total nonsence it takes it's toll. I have tried to be far if you noticed most things I have posted in asking how I could help ex.. Has always went unanswered.  It just turns back into a reflection of CCM's parents onto me. The Aunt. It isn't affective I have said that before.

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I was being factitious, I apologize. From what I heard about this book, it paints a very realistic picture of what these places are all about. So, if you did read it cover to cover I am just a little surprised you say the things you do!

That's all! I will be looking forward to receiving this book in the next few days.

BTW-Do Alex's parents need a copy?[ This Message was edited by: CCM girl 1989 on 2006-03-01 18:47 ]
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« Reply #898 on: March 01, 2006, 09:32:00 PM »
I have a question..........are Alex's parents going to follow court orders, and bring him home?

Just answer the question, are they, or aren't they?

It's real simple, and I know you know the answer.
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« Reply #899 on: March 01, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
Gosh, it got quiet all of a sudden!

*crickets*
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