Spring Creek Lodge

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-16 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:


"JULIE :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:





I love reading your posts.  Every post you have written makes so much sense.  One small problem, Alex's parents are sure that what they have done to him is the best for everybody, and when he gets out he will be entirely grateful to them for saving his life. So, them going there to pull him out is never going to happen.  We will just have to see what happens when he turns 18."

I guess I'm just pointing out, in a long-winded kind of way, that their serious judgment error in sending Alex to a place like SCL is almost certainly of a piece with serious judgment errors that caused him to lose confidence in them and rebel in the first place.



I'm not surprised that they still think their choice was right.  Most people with very bad judgment compound initial bad decisions by refusing to honestly revisit them and question themselves about whether something that initially seemed like a good idea really was one.



Being rigid and unduly wedded to your initial judgments is one frequent cause of big judgment errors.



Most people with good judgment are flexible enough to solicit and be guided by the advice of others, and to correct initial judgment errors before their results snowball into major disasters.



Julie"

Julie,

Do you know Alex? His parents? Have you talked to ANYONE who knows him, besides his girlfriend?

Have you ever seen SCL? Have you talked to anyone there? Have you closely examined their policies and practices for yourself?

What extraodinary hubris to assume everyone who took part in the decision regarding how to help this young man has made a "serious error judgment!"

You're obviously intelligent, but your actions and declarations here seem incredibly disrespectful and arrogant.

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-02-15 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"oh sorry I thought he wanted an outpatient treatment center?
Outpatient was what he was checking into.  He was not interested in inpatient and would not even discuss it with his parents





http://www.helpyourteens.com/news/impor ... wasps.html





http://www.voy.com/58570/"

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2006-02-16 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

On 2006-02-16 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:



"JULIE :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:







I love reading your posts.  Every post you have written makes so much sense.  One small problem, Alex's parents are sure that what they have done to him is the best for everybody, and when he gets out he will be entirely grateful to them for saving his life. So, them going there to pull him out is never going to happen.  We will just have to see what happens when he turns 18."

I guess I'm just pointing out, in a long-winded kind of way, that their serious judgment error in sending Alex to a place like SCL is almost certainly of a piece with serious judgment errors that caused him to lose confidence in them and rebel in the first place.





I'm not surprised that they still think their choice was right.  Most people with very bad judgment compound initial bad decisions by refusing to honestly revisit them and question themselves about whether something that initially seemed like a good idea really was one.





Being rigid and unduly wedded to your initial judgments is one frequent cause of big judgment errors.





Most people with good judgment are flexible enough to solicit and be guided by the advice of others, and to correct initial judgment errors before their results snowball into major disasters.





Julie"

Julie,



Do you know Alex? His parents? Have you talked to ANYONE who knows him, besides his girlfriend?



Have you ever seen SCL? Have you talked to anyone there? Have you closely examined their policies and practices for yourself?



What extraodinary hubris to assume everyone who took part in the decision regarding how to help this young man has made a "serious error judgment!"



You're obviously intelligent, but your actions and declarations here seem incredibly disrespectful and arrogant."

Oh please!!!! I think Julie knows what she's talking about. As far as I am concerned anyone who sends their kid off to a WWASPS facility needs to have THEIR head examined.

You're the one whose made a huge mistake letting this happen to Alex. I guess we'll just look for you down the line like the rest of the folks who come back after they realize the HUGE mistake they've made letting this happen.

Shame on you Aunt Shelly.

[001010]

"You're obviously intelligent, but your actions and declarations here seem incredibly disrespectful and arrogant."

Disrespectful?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

WOW.... I missed alot.

 Julie, you are intelligent in a lot of ways.

How is your relationship with your parents? You must hold alot of angry. You should talk to someone about that! Books can't tell you everything.

You have never met any of these people but you feel you are qualified to judge? Seriously!!

I have nothing against his girlfriend or family. Ashley is also very smart in a lot of ways. She can even spell better then I and word things she writes better then I. She is also from what I hear very talented in Art. I talk to her mom a few times a week. Alex's mom also talks to them. But Ashley is also a normal teen she is immature in some ways. (Sorry Ashley I mean it in a normal progression of life kind of way.) I understand why a lot of things were said earlier on in this forum. There was no communication she was scared she wasn't sure what the plan was or where he would end up. Now there isn't many post from them in a angry way. I sure she would rather have him out of SCL. I respect that.

Ashley's mom is aloud her feelings on how she would have done things. I may be wrong and I will talk to her later about this. But with the communication open I think she understand a little more why Alex's mom put him there. Even if it is still and will never be her way. If I am wrong she will let us know. (Hi Leslie!)

There is a lot of things that you don't know. Maybe because your parents put you in one of these places for to long when you were a teen that it has made you angry and that is ok, but I want you to work through it. Trying to put people down by saying things like they want to punish him because he didn't turn out the way she wanted him to. Please!!

I understand how you feel about these places and I respect that. Maybe that is how you felt when your parents put you in one of these places. Some parents probably do. When I see kids in there for 1 2 or more years. They are sending there kids away because they are selfish, probably never bonded with them in the first place and like life better without theme. This world if full of all different kinds of people.
 
Maybe you should really get to know someone before you judge like that. It reflects on you.
 
Sounds like you have some history you haven't worked through. I believe this is one of the times you are making an judgment errors.



Anonymous,

"Oh please!!!! I think Julie knows what she's talking about. "

SOME PEOPLE REALLY SHOULDN'T THINK. HOPE YOU DIDN'T HURT YOURSELF.

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-02-16 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2006-02-16 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

On 2006-02-16 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:



"

On 2006-02-16 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:




"JULIE :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:









I love reading your posts.  Every post you have written makes so much sense.  One small problem, Alex's parents are sure that what they have done to him is the best for everybody, and when he gets out he will be entirely grateful to them for saving his life. So, them going there to pull him out is never going to happen.  We will just have to see what happens when he turns 18."

I guess I'm just pointing out, in a long-winded kind of way, that their serious judgment error in sending Alex to a place like SCL is almost certainly of a piece with serious judgment errors that caused him to lose confidence in them and rebel in the first place.







I'm not surprised that they still think their choice was right.  Most people with very bad judgment compound initial bad decisions by refusing to honestly revisit them and question themselves about whether something that initially seemed like a good idea really was one.







Being rigid and unduly wedded to your initial judgments is one frequent cause of big judgment errors.







Most people with good judgment are flexible enough to solicit and be guided by the advice of others, and to correct initial judgment errors before their results snowball into major disasters.







Julie"

Julie,





Do you know Alex? His parents? Have you talked to ANYONE who knows him, besides his girlfriend?





Have you ever seen SCL? Have you talked to anyone there? Have you closely examined their policies and practices for yourself?





What extraodinary hubris to assume everyone who took part in the decision regarding how to help this young man has made a "serious error judgment!"





You're obviously intelligent, but your actions and declarations here seem incredibly disrespectful and arrogant."

Oh please!!!! I think Julie knows what she's talking about. As far as I am concerned anyone who sends their kid off to a WWASPS facility needs to have THEIR head examined.



You're the one whose made a huge mistake letting this happen to Alex. I guess we'll just look for you down the line like the rest of the folks who come back after they realize the HUGE mistake they've made letting this happen.



Shame on you Aunt Shelly."

I responded to the question about if Alex wanted inpatient treatment and my answer went in the quote box by mistake.  I am not the one who posted this message to Julie.  If I have something to say, I am signed on under my screenname so there is no mistaking who is saying what.

[Anonymous]

I hope when Alex gets out he sues his parents and anyone elese who had a hand in keeping him there. There are laywers who will take the case. All you got to to is e-mail me at drgraves2@charter.net and the parents and anyone else will get what they deserve in a court of law.

[Anonymous]

The only reason he wouldn't do that is because it is time consuming. Let's just keep our fingers crossed, that he gets home safe. Screw his family, they are hopeless.

Perhaps, when his parents get elderly....he'll dump them off at some horrible urine smelling old folks home? Hey, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. :lol:

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-02-16 18:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The only reason he wouldn't do that is because it is time consuming. Let's just keep our fingers crossed, that he gets home safe. Screw his family, they are hopeless.



Perhaps, when his parents get elderly....he'll dump them off at some horrible urine smelling old folks home? Hey, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. :lol: "

Whoever wrote this is not helping the situation at all.  Your suggestions are real insightful!!

[Aunt Shelly]

Moron

[Anonymous]

His parents are hopeless?
hmmm sounds like what your parents were thinking about you.

[Anonymous]

Sorry I am just saying how I feel! I'm not calling you names, or being disrespectful. I am just letting Alex know that when his family starts getting older, and really needs him most (like he needs you now, instead he gets strangers) that he dumps you at the old folks home. Actually, I think he should have you woken up in the middle of the night, and transported.

Does anybody know of any elderly transport services? Look, I am half playing.........but see how it feels?

I want you to wake up.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 19:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"His parents are hopeless?

hmmm sounds like what your parents were thinking about you."

Yes, his whole family that stands by, and lets him rot at SCL are hopeless. H-O-P-E-L-E-S-S

Anything else you would like to say?

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-15 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

They'll tell you they aren't hostile, because they truly aren't hostile at all to the imaginary kid they wish their kid was and dreamed their kid was going to be. They are brutally hostile to the real kid they actually have.

I actually said something very like this to my mom sometime between age 18 and when she quit sending me plaid wool pant suites as gifts.

If we had been born in Constantinople, then most of us would have said: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of Nirvana.
--

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I want to add to my last post.

I am not in any way bashing Ashley or her Mom.
I never claimed to be perfect. Neither has anyone in my family.

I find it interesting that you without knowing anyone took the teenage girls side.

That is basically what I was trying to get at.


 Anonymous,
 
  You are such a creak head. Come up with something interesting to say. Ya we are hopeless.. did you forget that not all of us can go get him out. I think that was covered in page 5. Try to keep up. Why should I believe someone like you. Maybe nobody has ever told you, but when you talk to people the way you do. All of a sudden they don't hear you anymore.

POOF gone.. Anonymous who...... [ This Message was edited by: CaughtInTheMiddle on 2006-02-16 20:35 ]