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« Reply #735 on: February 16, 2006, 09:15:00 AM »
Back to the topic at hand, SCL is NOT a certified drug treatment center.  I don't even know if it is a drug treatment center.  It doesn't sound like it in their own brochures. It states it is not recommended for children with drug problems and suicidal tendencies.  How ironic, since this seems to be one of the main reasons parents stick their kids there. This is NOT a place where you put teens needing drug rehabilitation.  This is NOT a place where you put ANY teen!  Why can't people see that!
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« Reply #736 on: February 16, 2006, 09:50:00 AM »
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"Back to the topic at hand, SCL is NOT a certified drug treatment center.  I don't even know if it is a drug treatment center.  It doesn't sound like it in their own brochures. It states it is not recommended for children with drug problems and suicidal tendencies.  How ironic, since this seems to be one of the main reasons parents stick their kids there. This is NOT a place where you put teens needing drug rehabilitation.  This is NOT a place where you put ANY teen!  Why can't people see that!"

I think this goes a long way towards answering that question.  It's from an article written on the recent death of a 14 year old in a Florida boot camp but it completely speaks to the mentality of behavior mod and thought reform as it applies to RTCs and the rest of the 'theraputic communities'.  It directly answers why America in general continues to tolerate this.  I think it's a really important point.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#173875

 
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13883103.htm



 
But failure has no bearing on the political popularity of anti-crime programs. No one would dare redirect those billions into softy concepts that lack military terminology or get-tough promises.





WASTE OF TIME


''Why do we still have the DARE [Drug Abuse Resistence Education] program in schools after 20 years when everybody knows it's a waste of time and money?'' asked Aaron McNeece, dean of the Florida State University College of Social Work. It was a rhetorical question. McNeece knows that symbolic solutions to crime count more than results. The DARE program, putting uniformed police officers in classrooms to warn against drugs, has been an especially resilient failure.


In 2001 the U.S. Surgeon General reported that studies of the DARE program ``consistently show little or no deterrent effects on substance use.''


The next year, National Academy of Sciences slammed DARE. The GAO reported ``no significant differences in illicit drug use between students who received DARE and students who did not.''


Three-strikes-and-you're-out may be a popular sentencing regime among politicians. Three strikes against DARE didn't matter.





Boot camps evolved from Scared Straight, the original shock-the-kids program based on the assumption that taking children on tours of jails would scare them into lawful behavior. Scared Straight didn't work. Failure didn't matter. It just inspired the next step in shock therapy.





WIDE APPEAL


''Boot camps appealed to everybody,'' said Jeanne B. Stinchcomb, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida Atlantic University. She published a paper last year in the Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, entitled, tellingly, From Optimistic Policies to Pessimistic Outcomes: Why Won't Boot Camps either Succeed Pragmatically or Succumb Politically?





She said conservatives liked the get-tough image. Liberals liked an alternative to prison. Boot camps were cheap to operate. The idea simply had too many powerful stakeholders for failure to matter.





And the public, Stinchcomb said, embraced boot camps with an ''intuitive faith'' that this was the quick fix for juvenile crime. Everyone loved the images of ''little urban wretches'' marching around like soldiers.





Oh, how we love to combat crime with military metaphors. Unless some brave political leader declares a War on Useless Policies, the failures just won't matter.


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Wow.  I think this is the most important point to be made out of all of this.  I hope everyone really reads and understands this.  It explains a whole lot of why these places came about and why they continue to exist."
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« Reply #737 on: February 16, 2006, 11:56:00 AM »
I noticed that. Then why do they accept these kids when they are told that the parents are sending them because of drug abbuse? HMMM
makes ya think.
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« Reply #738 on: February 16, 2006, 12:06:00 PM »
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"I noticed that. Then why do they accept these kids when they are told that the parents are sending them because of drug abbuse? HMMM

makes ya think. "


I'll tell you why.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It makes me sick!
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« Reply #739 on: February 16, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »
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« Reply #740 on: February 16, 2006, 01:36:00 PM »
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" You make very good points. Hopefully you can stop a lot of kids from staying in this type of environment. I do know how it feels to be on the other side and I wanted to point that out. It appears maybe with Alex. He was escorted right?

Then he wasn't willing to go. So none of these places would help. That is how they get most  parents to go with the program. I did google the school that is how I researched it after calling a teen hotline. I didn't find this site or anything bad. Someone that I worked with brought this forum to my attention. I am not even sure how she found it. When I googled Spring Creek Lodge I found nothing bad.



Denise"


According to the people who know him who have posted here, Alex agreed that he needed to get sober, and he wanted to get sober.

He wanted an outpatient drug rehab, which suggests he would have been willing to negotiate reasonably on a reputable inpatient drug rehab.

My child has pediatric bipolar disorder.  Like other children with PBD she can very often be oppositional and defiant.  She is less so with me, because I hit on the methods of handling opposition and defiance correctly, in the way the experts on ODD (which she doesn't have) recommend.

When I told her therapist how I handle her when she gets oppositional, the therapist held up a book on ODD and said, "Interesting that you should say that, because that's exactly how the experts recommend parents cope with that problem."

When a kid is oppositional, their brain is "stuck."  It's all locked up, like a rusted lock or badly tangled hair.  It's extremely counter-productive to force it.  If you force a rusted lock, your key breaks off in it.  If you insist on yanking a comb through bad tangles in long hair, they snarl up so bad you can rip out whole hunks of hair, or have to cut the knot out of the hair.

What you do with an oppositional kid is you get them to agree that they would rather not have whatever problem they have.  Whether it's behavior or bad grades or interpersonal problems or whatever.  A good parent only wants to alter a child's behavior for the child's good, anyway.  All you have to do is gently and kindly appeal to the child's self interest to help the kid realize they would be happier without the hassle of whatever problem it is.

Then you make yourself the child's ally in fixing the problem.  You solicit the child's ideas on how to fix the problem.  After all, it doesn't matter whose idea it was as long as the problem gets fixed.  You don't reject the child's ideas out of hand or put them down by flat telling them that won't work.  You don't go into opposition yourself and lock heads with the child.

Instead, you talk through the possibilities of the child's suggested solutions and use them as a starting point to negotiate a workable approach.

The parent also has to be open to the possibility that the child won't see whatever it is as a problem even after discussion, and has to pick their battles carefully.  If on minor things the child and parent can reason together and the parent always respects and sometimes accepts the child's point of view, then when the parent picks an issue that they just have to go to the mat on, the child is much more tractable.  It has to be reason, not wheedling.  

"I wish you'd do this differently, and I know you don't see it as a problem.  Truly, this one issue is not that big a deal.  We can try this your way and come back to it if it starts causing bigger problems.  Is that a deal?"  If the child is reluctant to make a deal, "Hey, you've got a victory.  If I were you, I'd take it and quit while you're ahead."

When you make yourself the child's ally, when you quit trying to force it, you win on the big things.  Even if you do have to take something to the mat and force the issue because you can't agree and it's a battle you have to win--because it's one of the *big* issues--if you have a long established habit of being your child's ally, your child gives in easier and gets over it quicker.

Alex had already agreed that he had a problem, that he wanted to correct the problem, and that he needed professional help to do it.

Wanting an outpatient problem was a heaven-sent opening to negotiate with him and persuade him that a *quality* inpatient rehab was a better idea.

If the parents had found three quality, supportive, inpatient rehab facilities, with programs of reasonable duration--three weeks intensive, minimum, to 100 days or less at a more measured pace--and let him pick from the three, he would have gone for it.  That's the way kids work.  If he had still been reluctant to go for it, then sit him down in front of Google and let him look around for a comparable inpatient facility that would take him that he liked better.

A three week intensive inpatient program that then followed up with the outpatient care he wanted would have been entirely reasonable.  Three weeks of intensive inpatient care can do a *lot*---far more than most people would think.  That's provided they're followed with outpatient care that takes rehab out to the longer 90 day or so duration.

They could have *easily* gotten this kid to buy into a three week intensive program and then the outpatient program he wanted as long as he stayed clean.  They could have hedged their bets by getting him to agree, in advance, to a specific three month inpatient program *if* he went to the three week intensive and then didn't stay clean and sober on the outpatient program he wanted.

All they had to do was be reasonable.

As the situation stands now, the best thing they could do would be to pull him out and say, "Son, you were right, we were wrong, the outpatient care you want is a better choice as long as you can stay sober on it.  This place is not a reputable rehab and was a huge mistake."  Say it, be sincere, and mean it.  "I'm sure you are confident of your success in that outpatient program or you wouldn't have picked it.  We really want you to succeed at that, just like we know you are determined to succeed.  Son, we've been in touch with *reputable* experts, not these bozos.  They tell us long-term drug rehab is hard.  We think you'll succeed, but because it's so hard, you need a backup plan--but not one with sadistic, power-tripping quacks."  Wait for that to sink in.  

"The inpatient rehabs adults use---adults who can leave any time they want if the treatment isn't what was advertised---have proven track record.  Doesn't that make sense, since the adults can leave any time if they're with quacks.  The *adult* rehabs don't have to tell family members to ignore allegations of abuse, because they're not run by abusive quacks."  Wait for that to sink in.

"Strictly for a backup if *you* decide outpatient isn't helping you, we've gotten a list of *reputable* inpatient rehabs that serve primarily adults of all ages, not just young adults.  People who can leave if it's a bad place.  The particular ones we've got will also take an almost-adult like you.  The decision of whether outpatient was working or not would be totally your call, as long as you were still attending outpatient.  That's because we know we made a huge judgment error, and frankly, son, you couldn't choose much worse than we did."  Wait for that to sink in.  The parents *did* make a huge judgment error, and to get Alex to listen, they're going to have to eat loads of humble pie over it.

"You need a backup plan, but if you decide to use it, it would always be your choice if you wanted to call and have us come get you.  The adult rehab facilities don't keep patients from making a phone call to leave.  We want you to pick out one of these *reputable* adult inpatient rehabs so that if *you* discover outpatient isn't enough to support your sobriety, you have a backup plan waiting.  For your backup plan, if there's an inpatient rehab not on the list that you would prefer, that's okay, too.  It couldn't cost a bazillion dollars, but most reputable rehabs are comparable cost or less than what we were paying these quacks."  Wait for that to sink in.

"Son, you're old enough now to take responsibility for your own sobriety.  We just know you wouldn't be able to afford rehab on your own and want you to know that we'll support you and cover the costs of what you decide I want you to get and keep your sobriety.  We made a terrible judgment call, so now, as long as you're going *somewhere* to help you with sobriety, we're going to go with *your* judgment calls about where and how."

If he relapses, the parents might have to ask him to move out so they don't enable the addiction, but they should let him know that helping him out with the costs of rehab is a standing offer.

He may be totally resistant to treatment when they go get him, because they have really screwed up and he'll be rightly paranoid about treatment.

The very best thing the parents can do to get him to go into and stay in *reputable* treatment is to make themselves his ally and recognize that whatever he chooses for help cannot possibly be worse than what they chose for him.

Admitting how badly they screwed up and eating double helpings of crow, while being extremely supportive of any efforts *he chooses* to pursue sobriety---those are the best chances they have for Alex to develop and maintain a clean and sober life.

He may go on a wild binge of drugs and bad behavior after they bring him home.  If so, if they've handled it as I've recommended, then it was probably unavoidable.  The good thing is that since he already wanted to get sober before, after the binge wears itself out--and it will--he'll want to pursue sobriety again.

All the parents have to do to get Alex sober is to grow some new and more appropriate parenting skills and learn to build a supportive alliance towards good behavior with their son instead of knocking heads with him.

I do it.  By all rights, given what she has and how most kids with it funcion--or more accurately, don't function--my daughter should be much more of a handful than she is.  What I do *works*, at all ages, with difficult, oppositional children.

The times my parents got the best results out of me as a teen was when they pursued exactly this strategy.  The times they got the worst results was when they knocked heads with me, instead.  I was a very difficult teen, my parents had excellent reason to fear for my life.  I had PBD just like my daughter does.  I have never met a difficult, oppositional teen for which alliance didn't work.  I have met oodles of defiant teens for which parental oppositional, knocking heads was disastrous.

What I'm telling you is what the best experts--the experts the reputable, effective therapists listen to--recommend for how to handle oppositional and defiant teens.

It works.

Alex can still be induced to save himself, but his chances of success are a lot better if his parents go remove him and apply some more effective parenting techniques.

Julie
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« Reply #741 on: February 16, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »
JULIE :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:

I love reading your posts.  Every post you have written makes so much sense.  One small problem, Alex's parents are sure that what they have done to him is the best for everybody, and when he gets out he will be entirely grateful to them for saving his life. So, them going there to pull him out is never going to happen.  We will just have to see what happens when he turns 18.
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« Reply #742 on: February 16, 2006, 02:52:00 PM »
Julie,

  I wish I could figure out how to handle my daughter she is 13 and is ADHD ODD one dr. even said when she was around 10 it could be early signs of bipolar. I am at work and can't read your whole entree but will when I get home. She is such a mouthy little bit** it would be nice to be able to communicate again without a fight. I can't remember a time when if I said no or told her to do something that it wasn't a argument. She has wore me out.
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« Reply #743 on: February 16, 2006, 03:05:00 PM »
In case I didn't make it clear enough, alliance isn't the same thing as giving in to wheedling or whining or threats.

Alliance isn't the Programs' "Agreement" and "Out of Agreement."

Programs coerce teens into "agreeing" that they have all sorts of problems, or that all sorts of things are problems when the teen doesn't really agree that they are problems.  So then "consequences" for being "out of agreement" are just Program-speak for punishment.

Alliance doesn't mean compliance.

Alliance can't and shouldn't be used to correct a whole laundry list of problems at once.

The kid should be presented with the one or two issues that the kid is most likely to be really grieved by.  The kid might be embarrassed about his temper.  Or not like his drug use.  Or want to quit smoking.  Or wish he and his stepparent could be civil together (which almost always isn't just a problem on the kid's side).  Or be embarrassed about his grades and maybe not want straight A's, but might wish his grades were a bit higher than they are.  Or maybe the kid hates that his room is a mess but doesn't want to admit that he doesn't know how to keep it clean without going to an overwhelming amount of trouble---maybe he'd like to have a cleaner room, but only if it wasn't so much hard work--and doesn't want to admit he isn't organized.  Or maybe the kid hates always having his parents ride his ass for rulebreaking--like curfew---and might be more able to handle the remaining rules if some others were relaxed or if the few necessary rules were listed and the enforcement consistent but not draconian.

When a kid has an unpleasant behavior, the parent should find a positive behavior or a neutral behavior that the kid cannot possibly perform at the same time as the bad one.  Make the neutral behavior into a virtue.  Praise and express sincere appreciation for the kid's efforts and successes.  Make every effort to catch the kid doing something right.  Treat the kid as a person you respect who, deep down, wants a happy, low-hassle life and will pursue doing the right things if you appeal to his self-interest correctly.

Do not treat the kid like a puppet on strings to be rewarded or punished like a monkey in a cage.  Appreciate the kid's thoughtfulness and efforts and virtuous behavior genuinely--any thoughtful, virtuous effort or behavior deserves respect and appreciation--it's not just your due or just what he should do, each such act is an effort to be nice and decent.  Appreciate it and let him know.

Understand, for a teen, that the reason the kid no longer respects your judgment is because, no matter how screwed up he is, occasionally his better judgment really is better than yours.  This is the root of the kid's opposition as he becomes an older teen and the times his judgment is better for his legitimate self-interest than your judgment is.  It may not be in line with what you want for him, but it may be in line with what he, as the genuine person moving towards independence, wants for himself.

He will overestimate the percentage of the time his better judgment is better than yours.  If he is opposing you too much, take a hard look in the mirror for your own errors of judgment.  

Your job is to guess what he will want for himself as the adult *he* is becoming, not what you want for him.  Then when you have to make a decision for him, or overrule a bad judgment he makes, you have to make the judgment that agrees with who *he* wants to be, not who you want him to be.

I knew a mom who actively interfered with her kid's desire to learn guitar.  I don't mean just not paying for it, she absolutely didn't want to allow him to learn it because she didn't want him to be in a rock band when he grew up and she meant to make sure he wouldn't have the skills to follow that dream.  Because it was something she wanted him not to have, she deliberately acted to foreclose the options he would have when he was an adult making his own decisions.

Then she wondered why the kid smashed his skateboard into her car and made a $500 dent.

Duh.

She tried to, by proxy, extend her power over his life to past the age when he would be choosing himself.  Of course he was hostile.

If you don't avoid making judgments for a teen when you can, and when you have to make judgments, make them according to the kind of adult the teen wants to become, not according to the kind of adult *you* want him to be, then you get a resentful, rebellious teen.  Your teen, rightly, won't trust your motives, because you're manipulating him beyond what you have any right to do.  You don't own him, you don't have the right to deliberately foreclose the options he will have as an adult.

If the judgments you do make are counterproductive and have worse results than the teen's better judgments----and I'd be willing to bet $100 that this *isn't* the first time the Alex's parents judgment has been horribly worse than Alex's better judgment---you get a resentful, rebellious teen.  Your teen, rightly, won't trust your judgment.

When your teen has real problems, you ally with him to overcome them one or two at a time, tackling the ones the teen finds most serious first.  You don't try to handle a whole laundry list at once, it overwhelms the teen and is demoralizing and ultimately ineffective.

When your teen starts becoming alarmingly rebellious, you look hard in the mirror.  You're either trying to manipulate him into an adult life you want and he doesn't, or your judgment is worse than his too much of the time.

Teens of divorce are so often rebellious because, one way or another, a failed marriage came from a sequence of huge judgment errors on the part of the parents that seriously adversely impacted the kid.  They trust their better judgment more than they trust their parents---completely understandably.

If you have a history of judgment that sucks, I want you to consult an adult your child admires and wants to be like, or a family therapist who wants the kid to grow into the adult he wants to be instead of rubber-stamping your vision of him as an adult, before you make major judgments for the teen, or countermand his judgments on major issues.  I want you to consult that advisor adult every once in awhile to see how you're doing.

If you can't accept that your teen has the right to grow up to be an adult *he* admires who is as close to what *he* wants to be as his abilities, talents, and hard work can take him; if you can't accept that your teen has the right to begin following his dream towards the adult *he* wants to become--if you can't do all that, then your teen will be rebellious and hostile.  Your home during your kid's teenage years will be a living hell.

Alex probably admires Ashley's parents.  They are probably a lot like the man he wants to be when he's grown.  Alex's parents should have listened, *hard*, to Ashley's parents' advice, and they should have taken it.  Or they should have gotten a family therapist that empathizes with and respects Alex's vision for himself and wouldn't rubber-stamp his parents vision for him and run their judgments for Alex by the therapist and *listened* to the therapist and taken the advice to heart.

Cause and effect.  

Parents are leaders, perforce.  For any leader, whether of a corporation, a platoon, a club, a church, or a charity, if your followers rebel, it's because they've lost confidence in your judgment.  It can be because you dither, because your judgment has sucked in the past, because you're draconian or a martinet, or because they don't trust your motives.

If you are a leader and your followers quit following, it's your own fault unless the kid's a psychopath.  Parent-child bonds are strong.  The situation is seldom irretrievable.  However, to retrieve the situation, the child either has to get old enough to ignore the parents' bad judgment with impunity, or the parents have to fix their leadership flaws.

Alex is not a psychopath.  From his relationship with Ashley, we know he is clearly capable of empathizing with others.  From his willingness to attend outpatient care, we know he is clearly capable of regret or remorse.  Empathy and remorse are completely broken in psychopaths---they can't do it.

As long as the parents refuse to admit their own poor judgment is creating and maintaining this problem, and as long as Alex is dependent on them, his problems will continue.

The parents have probably owned that they must have made some mistakes, and they probably have their own theories about what those mistakes are.

Alex owns the part of his problems caused by the *way* he chose to rebel.

Alex's parents own the problem that he rebelled at all, because their poor judgment in too many instances, judgment that had worse results for him than his own better judgment would have had--in his opinion--caused his rebellion.

Many times he Monday morning quarterbacked their decisions and thought, "If we had just done this the way I wanted to do, it would have worked out better."  Many times they didn't take responsibility for their bad judgments and repair that judgment problem by listening more closely to him and taking advice from other adults with better judgment than theirs.

Now their kid and their relationship with him is in one hell of a pickle, and they haven't taken responsibility for the *real* cause of their part in it yet.

They make serious judgment errors when deciding things for Alex that hurt him.

They made another huge one when they sent him to Spring Creek, and they haven't made it right by bringing him home yet.

They're still doing the same thing that got them in this pickle in the first place.

It's sad as hell.

Julie
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« Reply #744 on: February 16, 2006, 03:25:00 PM »
All teens rebel some. All teens make some bad judgments.

But if a teen is not a psychopath and his rebelliousness has made the home a war zone, the parents' track record of bad judgment or other leadership errors caused it.

Leadership is a learned skill.  It is the art of motivating people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.  Good leadership does this without undermining the ability to motivate those folks in the future.

There are some parents out there that couldn't lead a platoon of hungry US Army Rangers to Burger King.

Leadership skills are fundamental, irreplaceable parenting tools.  When parents don't have those skills, their home life with their kids will be dysfunctional and miserable.  Their kids will have worse problems than the range of "normal."

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« Reply #745 on: February 16, 2006, 03:37:00 PM »
Again -  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:

Julie -

You are amazing!  Do you have an email address? I would like to have more indepth convo with you.
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« Reply #746 on: February 16, 2006, 03:41:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-16 11:52:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"Julie,



  I wish I could figure out how to handle my daughter she is 13 and is ADHD ODD one dr. even said when she was around 10 it could be early signs of bipolar. I am at work and can't read your whole entree but will when I get home. She is such a mouthy little bit** it would be nice to be able to communicate again without a fight. I can't remember a time when if I said no or told her to do something that it wasn't a argument. She has wore me out."


Disclaimer: I am neither a medical doctor nor a licensed clinical psychologist.  This is not medical advice.  See your doctor.

That said, pediatric bipolar disorder is almost indistinguishable from ADHD.  One of the ways they tell the disorders apart is to put the kid on a mood stabilizer.  Mood stabilizers will help bipolar kids, but won't help ADHD kids.  There are some drugs, like Risperdal (iirc) that have been helpful with both, but not every kid can take it.  It's an atypical antipsychotic with mood stabilizing properties, but the weight gain side effect is the one that most commonly causes doctors to switch drugs.  Some people gain weight on it, others either don't gain or don't gain unmanageably.

Manic episodes do brain damage.  If your child is bipolar and you don't treat it with the proper medications, it gets worse.

Get a second opinion and make sure you rule out bipolar conclusively, because bipolar disorder (especially in children) is very frequently misdiagnosed as something else.

Bipolar children frequently have ADHD, too.  Some doctors classify ADHD symptoms in bipolar children not as comorbid ADHD, but symptoms of bipolar disorder itself that may not respond completely to mood stabilizers.  It's just a difference in how different doctors want to label the same cluster of symptoms.

My daughter, for example, is on abilify to stabilize her moods and strattera for the ADHD symptoms.

The stimulants normally used to treat ADHD can frequently (but not always) cause a bipolar child to go manic, and worsen the child's long term prognosis.

I am not trying to scare you, I'm just saying that if you haven't already gotten a second opinion from a good psychiatrist who's seen a lot of pediatric bipolar disorder, I want you to get that second opinion to ensure your child has been properly diagnosed.

Pediatric bipolar disorder isn't extremely rare, but it's rare enough that if you just go to any psychiatrist and don't check to make sure he's seen a fair bit of it, he might not be able to make an accurate call as to whether it's PBD or ADHD.

One thing you want to look at is that both bipolar disorder and ADHD are heavily genetically influenced.  You want to look at your family history.  PBD is frequently misdiagnosed as ADHD in children--because ADHD is so much more common.  Bipolar disorder is frequently misdiagnosed as major depression in adults.  If you have a lot of close relatives with a history of depression, you want to look at the bipolar diagnostic criteria and see if you think any of them have had manic episodes.

Julie
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« Reply #748 on: February 16, 2006, 03:45:00 PM »
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« Reply #749 on: February 16, 2006, 03:56:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-16 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

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I love reading your posts.  Every post you have written makes so much sense.  One small problem, Alex's parents are sure that what they have done to him is the best for everybody, and when he gets out he will be entirely grateful to them for saving his life. So, them going there to pull him out is never going to happen.  We will just have to see what happens when he turns 18."


I guess I'm just pointing out, in a long-winded kind of way, that their serious judgment error in sending Alex to a place like SCL is almost certainly of a piece with serious judgment errors that caused him to lose confidence in them and rebel in the first place.

I'm not surprised that they still think their choice was right.  Most people with very bad judgment compound initial bad decisions by refusing to honestly revisit them and question themselves about whether something that initially seemed like a good idea really was one.

Being rigid and unduly wedded to your initial judgments is one frequent cause of big judgment errors.

Most people with good judgment are flexible enough to solicit and be guided by the advice of others, and to correct initial judgment errors before their results snowball into major disasters.

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