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« Reply #570 on: January 10, 2006, 11:06:00 PM »
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Here's a unique idea- what if you hired Alex an adult "babysitter" of sorts during all unsupervised hours?  It could be an older sibling, responsible family member, whatever.  This would still be cheaper than SCL.











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 :lol:  they had good intentions"




I'm the one who suggested it, and I really did have good intentions.  I think I could have explained my rationale better.  What I meant to say is that I think it would be best, in my opinion, to get him out of SCL ASAP whether or not they've found another program for him to enter just yet.  And, yes, that they could arrange to have him supervised with dignity.  If it was a family member, he could go to the mall, the movies, talk on the phone, get on the internet, but have someone who cares present so that he can't use drugs.  That way he wouldn't be belittled, restrained, etc.  I agree that this is not a long term solution- no way.  I was just trying to be creative and thought the parents might find this acceptable compared with what it sounds like is their nightmare- that he'll come home and use drugs because he hasn't received worthwhile treatment yet."



And good intentions they were, I must say.  I like the idea.  His mom doesn't work, though, so they could save money, and attempt to regain what they've already lost due to SCL, by just having her watch him.
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« Reply #571 on: January 11, 2006, 01:03:00 AM »
I'm glad the parents have started to understand that SCL isn't selling what they thought they were buying and wanted for their son.

I'd like to make a suggestion, it's what I would do if I had put my child in a boarding school or summer camp or whatever that turned out badly.

I'd make an appointment for him with a real clinical psychologist in your town to do the responsible evaluation people are talking about to get a recommendation for help for him that will be safe and effective.

Then I'd just go pick him up, bring him home, and take him to his appointment.  Then go from there.

I'm not saying he doesn't need a placement.  I'm saying it's not that complicated to get him a safe and effective one.

I wouldn't take any guilt trips or dire warnings from SCL if they try to offer them (which they probably will).  I *definitely* wouldn't give them another red cent.  I wouldn't listen to any guff they might try to give you about contracts.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've heard an awful lot of people's accounts and I have *never* heard of one of these places suing the parents for money and winning their suit.  What more often happens is that the parents pay out what some school cons them into thinking they owe, the parents get the kid home and find out the school breached the contract six ways from Sunday and the school owes the parents, not the parents owing the school, and then getting the money back out of the school is pretty close to a lost cause.

Go get him, insist on leaving with your kid, don't pay them any money, ignore the school's manipulative guilt trips, and *if* they give you trouble about getting your kid (rare), just call the police.

Realizing you made a mistake is the hard part.

Starting to fix it is actually pretty easy.

Julie
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« Reply #572 on: January 11, 2006, 07:40:00 AM »
I'm tellin ya' Julie. This is a market demand problem who's solution is to inform the market. Really, no, more like get them piqued to their interest in it. People generally will inform themselves entheusiastically of anything we perceive as a real danger.

Huksters such as these are not a lot different from snake oil and patent medicine pedlers. In fact, they're a whole lot like Dr. Linda Hazzard. Those goods and services all but dissapeared as people started to understand them better. Then came the food and drug labeling act, when it was expedient for the politicritters to support it.

I don't think we stand a snowball's chance in hell of regulating our way out of this. I think we have to address the market demand, the overblown perception of this massive crisis of troubled teens and the deception that this is a damned fine way to deal with them. The regulation and legislation are just the wet sidewalk, which we all know doesn't really cause the thunder.

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« Reply #573 on: January 11, 2006, 07:59:00 AM »
I'm not saying that SCL has much in common with real boarding schools or summer camps, because IMO it doesn't, I'm just saying if I'd sent my child somewhere and decided for whatever reason that it wasn't a good place to be, I'd go get my kid.

My personal guesstimate of the chances of what Alex will be like when you pick him up:

99.9% chance he'll just be so glad you went and got him and didn't buy the Program's line of bull that he'll be cooperative at home and go to the appointment so you can find the best place.

0.1% chance he'll be hacked off right away and hard to manage.

My advice:

I think you can trust his feelings of relief at being away from SCL to give you the time to go to that appointment, get an appropriate placement, and get him started in safe and effective treatment/rehab.

Julie
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« Reply #574 on: January 11, 2006, 08:33:00 AM »
Eh, I don't know that you can make odds. I do know that damned near everybody in this sort of place dreams about their parents and friends rescuing them.

Never experienced it myself, but I have heard more than occasionally from kids who did get rescued fairly early on and who take the message from it "Oh shit! Everybody's really friggen scared! They're really not messin' around." And they then take things much more seriously till everybody's either got back a little trust in one another or they agree to tear the blanket.

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« Reply #575 on: January 11, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »
I think that these are great suggestions!

I would have a couple appointments lined up. One for individul therapy, one for some much needed family therapy.

Alex is going to have some trust issues with his parents. Especially since they had him kidnapped, and escorted to SCL against his will. That can be very tramatic for a kid to go through.

Good luck you guys!
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« Reply #576 on: January 11, 2006, 04:37:00 PM »
Thank you for all the great suggestions.
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« Reply #577 on: January 11, 2006, 06:18:00 PM »
Doea anyone know anything about Narconon?
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« Reply #578 on: January 11, 2006, 06:28:00 PM »
It is a twelve step program similar to al anon.

Can be very helpful if you are open to it.

If you are determined to use, it is a great place to score.

If you have trouble owning up to your misdeeds and turning yourself over to a higher power, it can be a struggle.

The greatest thing about attending meetings like this is that there are shining examples of people who have overcome their addictions.  You have to own up to having an addication problem to get the most out of it.

Does that help any?
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« Reply #579 on: January 11, 2006, 06:44:00 PM »
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« Reply #580 on: January 11, 2006, 06:49:00 PM »
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How strange I was just looking at that. came here to have you email me so I have your address.
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« Reply #581 on: January 11, 2006, 06:58:00 PM »
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« Reply #582 on: January 11, 2006, 07:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #583 on: January 11, 2006, 07:26:00 PM »
Now that I got brave enough to register after a year of lurking, can someone tell me how to change the picture?  I didn't like being a baghead but this mop thing isn't much better.
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« Reply #584 on: January 11, 2006, 07:30:00 PM »
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"Now that I got brave enough to register after a year of lurking, can someone tell me how to change the picture?  I didn't like being a baghead but this mop thing isn't much better."


I believe you go to profile on the left.
then all the way down you click on Show Avatars
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