Spring Creek Lodge

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-01-10 09:14:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email lnowak@prodigy.net, if you would like to talk with me off the forum.  Leslie"

Finally, some progress.  Thank You.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-01-10 08:33:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Has anyone been able to recommend another place for Alex? One that isn't affiliated with WWASP (which can be a little difficult these days!!!)?



I've always been a big believer in doing therapy from home, but everybody is different. Sometimes, kids do need to receive more intense therapy. As long as it is therapy, and not abuse. This behaivor modification stuff makes me want to puke!"

I have been asking off and on for awhile I believe it is about 15 pages back. We hear all the bad. Now all this forum needs is some alternative programs for parents who want there child placed somewhere instead of allowing them to run the streets and figure it out on there own.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?

And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 09:07:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


Please if you know of other places. Email me at CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com. We are tiring to find a better place but nobody has given us any info we are searching"

No legitimate treatment provider encourages their patients' families to go recruiting. This person you're talking to has been posting here for quite some time. I dont' know if her kid is back from wherever she sent them or not. I just know they'll drop into any old coversation about any old kid in any old placement and say basically the same damned thing.

Commitment letter? Doesn't that get your hackles up just a tad? How is it therapeutic for these parents to join in this sort of deception? And what it if is as bad as they say for the kid? How do you suppose he'd take it? It's not asif these kids are allowed to talk freely and explain to the new guy how this works. This could be extremely devistating.

If you ask the Government for the right to assemble you deserve to be told no .
 

--Jim Lesczynski, Manhattan LP chair, on "unorganized" gathering @ Central Park

[Aunt Shelly]

I do respect what you are doing with this forum.  It takes a lot of commitment and you obviously have that.  There were many lifethreatening problems that cannot be denied, lies excluded.  Many choices by Alex himself.  Although emotions were all over the place, I really dont think this was overreaction to what was going on.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 10:47:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

Alex admitted to the heroin use himself."

Well, I sort of have to take that with a grain of salt. Kids often overstate their exploits just to impress. Kids under coercion will admit to any damned thing. It takes some time to develop an opiate dependency. Having tried heroin is not a treatable disease.

Anyway, if this young man has looked into that local place and he WANTs to go there, then by all means go there. But please, please try and keep your sister (in law?) tethered to reality on the point of proper dx and professional recomendations. She may be thoroughly convinced that her kid needs whatever she's seen advertised wherever. What do you do with a family member like that who insists on surgery when the doctors all agree it's not indicated?

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

[69]

We hear all the bad. Now all this forum needs is some alternative programs for parents who want there child placed somewhere instead of allowing them to run the streets and figure it out on there own.

They shouldn't be looking for another program, they should be looking for treatment. If the teen truly has a drug problem, an in patient psychiatric drug rehab/therapy setting would be perfectly appropriate. If it's just a behavioral or light drug use (marijuana, alcohol) then the detox time is probably unnecessary and the respective out-patient program at the same facility would apply. Usually after in-patient you transfer to the outpatient for transition. These are covered my most med insurers. I found this type of program helpful, and never felt my rights were infringed upon. The treatment is not forced. Most importantly, the out-patient is very effective at helping you balance your normal life with treatment. Otherwise, if you escape into a bubble world program camp, it's easy to change while locked up away from temptaion, but the failure rate is depressingly high with this sort of treatment upon return. Outpatient is much more effective.

Note: these places do not advertise on the internet, and that is why nobody is giving out names. Go to your local hospital for a referal to the closest psychiatric setting if you need. The last people you'd want to ask is a bunch of anonymous stranger on the internet!  :wink: Good luck.

G:   "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB:  "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4

[ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2006-01-10 12:06 ]

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?



And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

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Jacki called and they said they don't take 17 year old for the in patient program.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 11:09:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


I have been asking off and on for awhile I believe it is about 15 pages back. We hear all the bad. Now all this forum needs is some alternative programs for parents who want there child placed somewhere instead of allowing them to run the streets and figure it out on there own."

Well, there are only two types of people who will make program recomendations:

 
1. Legitimate professionals who have examined the prospective patient and taken the time and effort to assess the whole situation.
   
2. Desperate or deluded cult followers who are so thoroughly convinced of the goodness and rightness of their particular group that they don't even recognize the distinction between professional assessment and plain out gossip.
   

I won't recomend a placement because I'm not a professional in that field and I've never even met the prospective patient in question. I don't think any responsible person in my situation would dare make any such recomendation. Do you???

I do feel confident, however, both as a mother AND formerly as chattel to this industry in recomending that you honor this kid's wishes; that any placement or treatment whatever be VOLUNTARY! That alone makes ALL the difference in the world.

There go the people. I must follow them for I am their leader.
--Alexandre Ledru-Rollin

[Ashley's Mom]

I agree with Exit Plan and Antigen.  Like I stated earlier, I have worked within the medical profession for over 20 years.  Unfortunately, this has been quite the topic of discussion here where I work.  I have talked with a lot of my co-workers, including physicians, and was amazed to find out how many have had very similar circumstances in the past and present.  I value their advise/input with both and my daughter and Alex.  Trust me, we are not going along blindly regarding Ashley.  We are dealing with it the way we feel is best for her and us.  This has been a very difficult time for all.  I do believe if everyones feelings are taken into consideration, it all will work out for best.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-01-10 11:51:00, Exit Plan wrote:

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We hear all the bad. Now all this forum needs is some alternative programs for parents who want there child placed somewhere instead of allowing them to run the streets and figure it out on there own.

They shouldn't be looking for another program, they should be looking for treatment. If the teen truly has a drug problem, an in patient psychiatric drug rehab/therapy setting would be perfectly appropriate. If it's just a behavioral or light drug use (marijuana, alcohol) then the detox time is probably unnecessary and the respective out-patient program at the same facility would apply. Usually after in-patient you transfer to the outpatient for transition. These are covered my most med insurers. I found this type of program helpful, and never felt my rights were infringed upon. The treatment is not forced. Most importantly, the out-patient is very effective at helping you balance your normal life with treatment. Otherwise, if you escape into a bubble world program camp, it's easy to change while locked up away from temptaion, but the failure rate is depressingly high with this sort of treatment upon return. Outpatient is much more effective.



Note: these places do not advertise on the internet, and that is why nobody is giving out names. Go to your local hospital for a referal to the closest psychiatric setting if you need. The last people you'd want to ask is a bunch of anonymous stranger on the internet!  :wink: Good luck.

G:   "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"

EB:  "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."

-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4

[ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2006-01-10 11:52 ]"

We are looking for a treatment facility not a behavioral program. I will let them know you feel Outpatient is much more effective. I would just like to see him out of where he is. I would take an inpatient drug rehab over SCL

[Ashley's Mom]

On 2006-01-10 11:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Antigen wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:



"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?





And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

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Jacki called and they said they don't take 17 year old for the in patient program."

Why don't they consider the intensive outpatient treatment for him until he turns 18, at that time if he still needs further treatment then go with the inpatient.  The outpatient program is very effective from what I have been told.  Remember, Alex agreed to that, which makes it even more effective.  I have to believe this would be so much better for him than where he is right now.

[Aunt Shelly]

On 2006-01-10 12:06:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 11:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Antigen wrote:



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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:




"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?







And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

"

Jacki called and they said they don't take 17 year old for the in patient program."

Why don't they consider the intensive outpatient treatment for him until he turns 18, at that time if he still needs further treatment then go with the inpatient.  The outpatient program is very effective from what I have been told.  Remember, Alex agreed to that, which makes it even more effective.  I have to believe this would be so much better for him than where he is right now."

What would be even better would be if Ashley agreed he needed treatment and would remain sober with him.  That may make all the difference in the world to his recovery.

[Shlee]

On 2006-01-10 12:32:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 12:06:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 11:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:



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On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Antigen wrote:




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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:





"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?









And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

"

Jacki called and they said they don't take 17 year old for the in patient program."

Why don't they consider the intensive outpatient treatment for him until he turns 18, at that time if he still needs further treatment then go with the inpatient.  The outpatient program is very effective from what I have been told.  Remember, Alex agreed to that, which makes it even more effective.  I have to believe this would be so much better for him than where he is right now."

What would be even better would be if Ashley agreed he needed treatment and would remain sober with him.  That may make all the difference in the world to his recovery."

I have never denied he needed treatment.  When we all got caught, the knowledge I had of his drug use didn't compare to what was actually going on.  I was the one, when he was still here, that he called to help him through a rough moment he may have had and talk him out of doing something stupid.  I was all for any kind of rehab he needed.  I was okay with the choice of a school, until we started to do research and cut through all the glorified ads.  I want him to get help, but the help he wants and needs.

[Ashley's Mom]

On 2006-01-10 12:32:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 12:06:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 11:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:



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On 2006-01-10 11:33:00, Antigen wrote:




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On 2006-01-10 08:55:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:





"I have just spoke to Jacki. She is very upset. She hates having no contact with her son. She had to do her commitment letter and it killed her because she isn't committed to making him finish the program but he now will think she is. Please anyone with another facility we could look into please email CaughtInTheMiddleSCL@yahoo.com They want to get him out ASAP but feel they need to find a place to put him where they can communicate with him. And he can get the treatment he wants and needs. Ashley Jacki hates that you and Alex and her cant talk she is scared and confused that is what this place and situation has done to her."

What about the local place where he wanted to go?









And about the post above that (about lying) I really was just trying, and failing misserably evidently, to explaint what Ashley was talking about. Not trying to accuse anybody. Just trying to explain that, well, from here? It sure looks like ya'll are over reacting to normal, if often upsetting, teen angst.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

"

Jacki called and they said they don't take 17 year old for the in patient program."

Why don't they consider the intensive outpatient treatment for him until he turns 18, at that time if he still needs further treatment then go with the inpatient.  The outpatient program is very effective from what I have been told.  Remember, Alex agreed to that, which makes it even more effective.  I have to believe this would be so much better for him than where he is right now."

What would be even better would be if Ashley agreed he needed treatment and would remain sober with him.  That may make all the difference in the world to his recovery."

Ashley has agreed that he needs treatment, she has not used any drugs since all of this has happened.  I promise you that.  She wants the best for Alex.  If they would take her as an outpatient, hell, I would even have her go too.
I don't know if she would qualify, but she certainly would be able to go to the counseling sessions with him if they offer ones for friends/loved ones.  I believe that do.  I know I went with my husband before we were even married.