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« Reply #480 on: January 09, 2006, 12:58:00 PM »
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  I wanted to ask you a question. When Alex moved in with you and Jacki called and

asked you if he planned on living with you. If I remember correctly you told her, no you were

helping him move in with a friend. Why did you not then help him with going home and talking

to his parents? Do you or did you feel he was in any danger going back home? "


This is not quite how it happened.  Alex was told he could stay with us until he worked things out with his parents. We encouraged him to try to work things out with his family, and had no problem taking him home to do so. When he went home, he left again and came back stating they would not listen to him or work with him.  At that time, he stated he knew of a friend that he could share an apartment with.  We did not encourage this, he was doing this on his own.  He knew he could not live with us forever, but was adamant about not returning home if they were going to send him away.  We did not fear for him returning home, as we had no idea anything like this would happen and didn't even know places like this existed.
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« Reply #481 on: January 09, 2006, 02:29:00 PM »
What I remember and maybe you had no idea about some things that happen. He was home a total of 3 hours Ashley called to see if they worked things out. Of course 3 hours isn't nearly enough. He was arguing and crying on the phone with her, it appeared she wasn't happy at how long it was taking. Next thing you know he was gone to your house again.  Just like when his parents got him out of jail. They talked and looked over different places, he agreed and wanted to
go to a 3 month program some tough love place if I recall correctly. Then he spent the day with Ashley when he got home everything changed. It seems that she is controlling in the relationship and he is egger to please her. This is why his parents couldn't get any where with him.  Same goes with her not going to school until he went with her. So he broke there rules walked in the freezing rain so she would go to school. You said in this forum that they kept him from school. I don't believe they were wrong here. He was having drug test every week or random they were afraid to send him back to school were he could have the temptation to get something. Chances are high that he may have seeing that he was doing 6 to 7 hits of exticy a night cocaine the whole summer and had tried not sure how many times heroin. If he had a bad test he would be in jail and have a felonies on his record. Plus jail was not going to give him any help as far as drugs were concerned.  Do you notice that Ashley is more controlling in their relationship and maybe her feelings of him leaving and her not seeing him possibly made it hard for him and his parents?
Not saying she is a bad person but because they are young and dealing with a lot of feelings it is
only natural to not want your boyfriend to leave.

 I thought the kid he was going to move in with was a kid you helped get emancipated from his
parents? I remember something Ashley had said once. That you would go out of your way to
help any of her friends. Maybe they all don't need the help, maybe they tell you things that aren't true because they can use you and their parents against each other. We know kids lie when scared. Ashley did a few times at first when they got pulled over and Alex went to jail. She lied
to you and Jacki I am sure it was because she was scared. This time the help just made it worse
he would be in a 3 month treatment center like he wanted not this place.
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« Reply #482 on: January 09, 2006, 03:13:00 PM »
We have never helped any of Ashley's friends get emancipated.  I didn't even know that boy, I only heard about it from Ashley and Alex. I still to this day have not met this boy.  Yes, we probably would help anyone, not just her friends, anyone who needed help, within reason.  The way you tell your version of what happened, is not exactly the way I heard/remember it.  Alex did go home to work things out on Friday while Ashley was at work.  He called me to come pick him up and get his stuff to move back home.  Shortly after picking him up, Jacki called and told him not to come back home that night as they were not emotionally ready to handle it. He went home Saturday at 12:00pm.  He called Ashley later in the afternoon and told her his mom went shopping to Old Navy, so they never spoke.  Yes, I believe Ashley was upset, but so was Alex.  Upset that no one would sit and talk to him about the situation.  He wanted to reach some mutual agreement.  His father came home and never spoke to him.  He tried to show his father the paperwork on Maplegrove and was basically ignored. Many hours had passed with no communication before he decided to try to talk to them, I recall it was at least 1:00am when he left home again.  The morning he left for school, Ashley already was at school.  Granted, it was very hard for me to get her to go back to school, but she did go.  We met several times with the counselors and principals, and they also helped her to return to school.  Her reason for not going back was not just because Alex was not there, there were a lot of other issues with the other kids.  As for all the drugs, all I know is Alex sat and talked with us and told us what he had been doing.  He also told us he wanted to stop, seek local treatment, go back to school, and work as hard as he had to in order to graduate in June. He knew he had to quit using drugs, he knew the consequences involved if he failed his drug test.  We believed he was sincere.  He had been drug free at that time since November 9th.  Yes, maybe Ashley did have a lot of control over him, but he was looking for guidance.  He was very confused, but he did know what he wanted and what he did not want.  When I met with Jacki, the three month program was not even an option.  She stated that would never help him, he needed longer. They were running out of time, and needed us and Ashley to help convince him to go to this "school."  We did talk to him while he was in jail, and he did agree to go to a three month program, but when he came home they gave him the paperwork on all of the other programs.  When he looked into these programs he saw they were 12-18 months.  That is when he refused to go. I am sure he never imagined he would be taken against his will.  We never tried to tell him what to do, we listened to him and tried to understand what he wanted to do for himself.
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« Reply #483 on: January 09, 2006, 04:01:00 PM »
CIM, seems to me asif Jackie's not giving you quite all of the facts either. Remember that. If she'll trick her own son into something like SCL, of course she'll tell others whatever li'll white lies she has to to keep needed support. Don't be surprised, either, if she snips you out of her life if you ask difficult questions about this "program".

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« Reply #484 on: January 09, 2006, 04:45:00 PM »
So are you telling me you were at Alex's house and witness nobody talking to him. His uncles his aunts that came over more then once to let him know they care and give him some life experiences. Could it have been his dad wasn't home so mom went to old navy waiting until he got home. I wasn't there so I could not say. Alex must have lied (like he has many times lately) He said he went to school so Ashley would go if I remember correctly. I guess another lie. He most likely lied a few times to you also.
Maybe Jacki was so hurt that her son wanted to be with you and not her. she never said that but it is a possibility to the reason why she may have called him. I believe that is when he came home and left the same day. I could see how that would hurt. Maybe it wasn't that they were upset nobody would sit and talk to him about the situation maybe that is what they said but the truth is they were not getting what they wanted and you are easier to manipulate. I don't feel Ashley is mature enough to give Alex the guidance he needed in this situation.
He had been in detox state since Nov.9th so his frame of mind was way off. So how would he know what to do or what he wanted or what was right. Great he wanted treatment that is what his parents wanted to give him but the places they wanted he and Ashley wouldn't see each other and there is were the problems came.
I believe. haven't been told but believe that he is gone because ashleys control over him made it very hard for his parents to communicate with him. They are probably afraid now to bring him home before he has had treatment because of Ashleys control. as you say "I am sure he never imagined he would be taken against his will."
I am sure his parents never imagined they would have to go to such extreme measures.
Ashley was there the night they got busted. he admitted to doing all these drugs the whole time they have been dating. They were doing a lot of drugs at once and some really bad one's. How would you feel if I said that you didn't get her the right help. That I hope you don't get a phone call because she od'd before you notice the lies and manipulation.
Kids in detox state can not always make the right decision for themselves. He may have wanted an outpatient place so he could be there for Ashley. It doesn't mean it is what he needed.
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« Reply #485 on: January 09, 2006, 04:48:00 PM »
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"We have never helped any of Ashley's friends get emancipated.  I didn't even know that boy, I only heard about it from Ashley and Alex. I still to this day have not met this boy.  Yes, we probably would help anyone, not just her friends, anyone who needed help, within reason.  The way you tell your version of what happened, is not exactly the way I heard/remember it.  Alex did go home to work things out on Friday while Ashley was at work.  He called me to come pick him up and get his stuff to move back home.  Shortly after picking him up, Jacki called and told him not to come back home that night as they were not emotionally ready to handle it. He went home Saturday at 12:00pm.  He called Ashley later in the afternoon and told her his mom went shopping to Old Navy, so they never spoke.  Yes, I believe Ashley was upset, but so was Alex.  Upset that no one would sit and talk to him about the situation.  He wanted to reach some mutual agreement.  His father came home and never spoke to him.  He tried to show his father the paperwork on Maplegrove and was basically ignored. Many hours had passed with no communication before he decided to try to talk to them, I recall it was at least 1:00am when he left home again.  The morning he left for school, Ashley already was at school.  Granted, it was very hard for me to get her to go back to school, but she did go.  We met several times with the counselors and principals, and they also helped her to return to school.  Her reason for not going back was not just because Alex was not there, there were a lot of other issues with the other kids.  As for all the drugs, all I know is Alex sat and talked with us and told us what he had been doing.  He also told us he wanted to stop, seek local treatment, go back to school, and work as hard as he had to in order to graduate in June. He knew he had to quit using drugs, he knew the consequences involved if he failed his drug test.  We believed he was sincere.  He had been drug free at that time since November 9th.  Yes, maybe Ashley did have a lot of control over him, but he was looking for guidance.  He was very confused, but he did know what he wanted and what he did not want.  When I met with Jacki, the three month program was not even an option.  She stated that would never help him, he needed longer. They were running out of time, and needed us and Ashley to help convince him to go to this "school."  We did talk to him while he was in jail, and he did agree to go to a three month program, but when he came home they gave him the paperwork on all of the other programs.  When he looked into these programs he saw they were 12-18 months.  That is when he refused to go. I am sure he never imagined he would be taken against his will.  We never tried to tell him what to do, we listened to him and tried to understand what he wanted to do for himself.   "
Didnt you have coffee with Jacki and forget to tell her about what her son had told you about his drug use?  She had no idea it had gotten so bad.  Wouldnt you as a mother want someone who knew this about your child to inform you so you could make a decision regarding your child?  Why do you think Alex confided in you? I know for a fact his parents would have listened but there would have been consequences.  Actually, when we do something in life, there are always consequences.  Maybe he told you because he knew there would be none with you.  You should have spoken to his parents about his drug use.  That is your job as a parent!!!!
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« Reply #486 on: January 09, 2006, 04:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-09 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:

"CIM, seems to me asif Jackie's not giving you quite all of the facts either. Remember that. If she'll trick her own son into something like SCL, of course she'll tell others whatever li'll white lies she has to to keep needed support. Don't be surprised, either, if she snips you out of her life if you ask difficult questions about this "program".

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

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Of course that is how you would see it. It couldn't be Ashley's mom isn't telling the truth or easily manipulated by the kids. why? Because she isn't the parent with the kid in a place you don't like. If Ashley's mom says it it must be true. Because you know her so well. Please people open your eyes.
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« Reply #487 on: January 09, 2006, 05:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-09 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:


"CIM, seems to me asif Jackie's not giving you quite all of the facts either. Remember that. If she'll trick her own son into something like SCL, of course she'll tell others whatever li'll white lies she has to to keep needed support. Don't be surprised, either, if she snips you out of her life if you ask difficult questions about this "program".


Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.


--Mark Twain



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Of course that is how you would see it. It couldn't be Ashley's mom isn't telling the truth or easily manipulated by the kids. why? Because she isn't the parent with the kid in a place you don't like. If Ashley's mom says it it must be true. Because you know her so well. Please people open your eyes. "




Now, wait for just a moment.  You are telling us to open OUR eyes?  This is ridiculous.  The only reason anyone is believing us over them is because Alex's family has been blatantly caught in numerous lies on this forum.  We have evidence to back up our claims and they don't.  We found proof to expose their accusations as lies, straight forward lies.  And, of course it couldn't be Jackie telling little white lies because she is YOUR friend.  I don't see how disagreeing with an abusive facility and sending any teen there is cause for telling us to open our eyes.  This isn't just about Alex anymore, it's gone too far.  This is about every child in one of these facilities and the "parents" that keep them there.
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« Reply #488 on: January 09, 2006, 05:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-09 13:53:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


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On 2006-01-09 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:



"CIM, seems to me asif Jackie's not giving you quite all of the facts either. Remember that. If she'll trick her own son into something like SCL, of course she'll tell others whatever li'll white lies she has to to keep needed support. Don't be surprised, either, if she snips you out of her life if you ask difficult questions about this "program".



Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.



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Of course that is how you would see it. It couldn't be Ashley's mom isn't telling the truth or easily manipulated by the kids. why? Because she isn't the parent with the kid in a place you don't like. If Ashley's mom says it it must be true. Because you know her so well. Please people open your eyes. "








Now, wait for just a moment.  You are telling us to open OUR eyes?  This is ridiculous.  The only reason anyone is believing us over them is because Alex's family has been blatantly caught in numerous lies on this forum.  We have evidence to back up our claims and they don't.  We found proof to expose their accusations as lies, straight forward lies.  And, of course it couldn't be Jackie telling little white lies because she is YOUR friend.  I don't see how disagreeing with an abusive facility and sending any teen there is cause for telling us to open our eyes.  This isn't just about Alex anymore, it's gone too far.  This is about every child in one of these facilities and the "parents" that keep them there."
Actually, his family has posted once when Jacki responded.  Im not sure what lies your blaming on them.
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« Reply #489 on: January 09, 2006, 05:21:00 PM »
Trying to get technical now?  I'm reaching out to ALL of his family members.  Extended and all.  I know for a fact that his aunt has been posting and his cousin and her friends.  And, well thanks to Antigen and the fact that they can read the addresses they came from, there's not too much you can hide.
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« Reply #490 on: January 09, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
And, if you are so much for brushing off what I said, and have such opinions, then why don't you get a name too.  Many others have anyways.  Why not join the fun?
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« Reply #491 on: January 09, 2006, 05:39:00 PM »
CIM,

I believe that Alex's parents were quite aware of his drug use, as they were the ones who informed me of it.  He only informed us of the prior years of drug use, which went way back.  This is the first I have heard of heroin use.  That is a new one.  I am not here to argue with you.  I was only looking for some insight as to where Alex had been sent.  His parents never wanted to talk with us, they knew where he was and knew our phone number.  It goes both ways.  I am not very good at writing out these things, especially when I don't even know who you are.  I am tired of being told that we were being "manipulated".
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« Reply #492 on: January 09, 2006, 05:48:00 PM »
Just as you could say it was wrong of Jacki to have sent alex there. I could say it is wrong that you let and pay for you daughter to dress and dye her hair, tattoo her body like that. She said she wasn't aloud to have piercing other then her ears one time I was around her. Then Alex comes home with a bar in the back of his neck. On ashley's vampire site she talks about the tattoo/piercing party she had. wonder how many other kids got in trouble with their parents for getting something done to their bodies. But it is not my place to tell you how to raise your daughter. Ways I handle my kids to ways you or millions other handle there's will never match. Could I say I totally disagree that a parent should allow there child to look like that? YES Dose it matter or make me right? NO 50% could say it is screwing up her life. how she is excepted as an adult what type of doors in life it may open for her. 50% could say she will be fine she is expressing herself she is artistic. In the end it is up to you.
I know.. But Jacki sent her child to a abusive bad bad place! She didn't hear any of this until after he was placed there. Even ashleys mom admits to that. Now it is her job to do what she thinks is right for him. Then I will hear.. What dose she have to think about he could be abused. There is so much info. she is doing more then most of these parents possibly do. There is Doctors here that are reviewing and keeping a close eye on what is going on with him she isn't taking only SCL word on it all, until she can find the best place for him. one could say that allowing your child to look and hang in a group such as she dose is abuse. Drug use is higher in the goth world then some. Vi lance is high because they are not excepted by all. It is still the parents job to raise and make decision with there kids. Not everyone is going to agree.
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« Reply #493 on: January 09, 2006, 05:55:00 PM »
And, now the information is right in her face and won't do a god damn thing about it.  That's quite obvious.  Well, let's see, who might this be?  I can only recall saying something about my ears being peirced around Jackie and a couple others.  Why not put a name to that post, an actual name.  Not a sign on name like CIM.  Come out and let us know.  Making a name up is just as bad as trying to hide as Anon.  So, let's hear it...
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« Reply #494 on: January 09, 2006, 06:00:00 PM »
Also, don't tell me you are new.  I am quite observant and I can only imagine that one person on this forum would continuously forget how to spell "does".  It's d-o-e-s not d-o-s-e.  And you have been posting since the beginning of this topic.
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