Spring Creek Lodge

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-06 11:01:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Okay, I give up.....what does WWFSMD mean?"

What Would Flying Spaghetti Monster Do?   :grin:

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What does that have to do with Pirates??  Glad you asked.  :wink:

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

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"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]


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On 2006-01-05 18:17:00, Exit Plan wrote:
There are strict rules and guidelines in our country's correctional system when an inmate is being placed in isolation. It is a relatively rare, and heavily documented event, and the inmate has rights and access to an advocate. Why not at SCL? SCL is at the same level as the recently reported CIA secret prisons. Out of sight, out of mind.

Dude, I hope you have that post (most of it) saved somewhere relatively permanent and uncluttered. It's as good and detailed a description as I think I've seen.

All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
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[BuzzKill]

GFEtE

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On 2006-01-06 11:32:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"GFEtE"

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Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce

[BuzzKill]

? GFEtE

In responce to the pirate post (you snuck in ahead of me there)Grinning From Ear to Ear.

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[CCM girl 1989]

PS: I am a guy. :em:

Whoops, sorry about that!!!

Well, I really hope that if a fire broke out that the staff members would make an effort to remove all those piled up mattresses in front of the hobbit door. See........that's the shit I am talking about! I'm not in to the whole isolation thing, but if you are going to do it atleast make it safe. So spend a couple thousand dollars on a alarm you cheap assholes if you want to know whether or not a child is trying to leave the hobbit.

Cheap fuckers! That guy has zero class (R.L.) he probably still wears that god awful Brut cologne. Once in a while, I come across that smell and it takes me back to CCM, it takes me back to those screwed up memories, the ones I still try to figure out, but can't.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-06 06:24:00, WWFSMD wrote:

"To the person who wrote this...

What is this supposed to describe? It sure as hell isn't scl, and you know it. No one ever refused you food, water, or medication. No one ever held you in the "hobbit" unless you were continually escalated. Again, you are citing things as comparison that are completely irrelevant and non-applicable.

What is your response to this....?

On 2006-01-05 18:17:00, Exit Plan wrote:


You are right about that not being SCL, which I thought I made clear in my post. My point in the hypothetical comparison was to engage in a mental exercise. If a parent were to treat their child the way WWASP staff do, they would be imprisoned. Yet, it occurs continuously at WWASP and similar programs. What gives them the right to hold a child in isolation, submission and humiliation with absolutely no oversight?





There are strict rules and guidelines in our country's correctional system when an inmate is being placed in isolation. It is a relatively rare, and heavily documented event, and the inmate has rights and access to an advocate. Why not at SCL? SCL is at the same level as the recently reported CIA secret prisons. Out of sight, out of mind.





The hobbit was almost always occupied while I was there. Kids were placed in the hobbit for things as inconsequencial as 'choosing out' of a seminar. (if you don't know what that means, click on the piano finders link below and read about seminars) They throw kids in the beginning of Discovery when they get kicked out, and let them sit 'till the end- three days. Do you think not participating in a psycho cry fest- as many newspapers have referred to it- is reason to be kept in isolation with limited meals in conditions so utterly deplorable? I sure don't.





Do they limit your food for punishment? Yes.





For breakfast we received one peeled banana, and a plain bagel served with a bathroom toiletry cup full of water. For dinner - yes we only got two meals - was a tortilla filled with black beans, and lettuce on the side. No utensils. That's it.





Why would they limit food like this... for treatment purposes? No, I say to punish. So yes, I call this food deprivation. For what other purpose would it serve to limit portions like this and give such plain food with very little/no nutritional value? Prisoners eat better than the kids in the hobbit. Murderers on death row have more rights than the kids in the hobbit.





So yes, you are correct, they don't refuse you food completely, instead they give you the absolute bottom of the barrel definition of what a meal actually is. Just enough to keep from getting arrested.





Were we allowed to shower? No.





We were allowed a thin sleeping bag from the time 9pm-5am. We slept on hardwood in the bag with no pillow. It was cold and extremely uncomfortable.





The staff would sleep outside the doors of the individual cells in the staff part of the hobbit. They would place two or three mattresses on top of each other, and block both doors to the cells, and sleep on that. The staff would obviously feel if either cell door was opening, as they opened outwards. They would bring a ton of blankets and pillows, quite a comfortable bed they had.





We were only allowed to wear one layer of clothes. They say to protect from anyone trying to run, but with a staff posted outside your closed door, this was close to impossible not to mention we had no shoes. It's obvious this was also for punishment (it gets frigidly cold).





The bathroom was a port-a-potty located about 50 yards down in the direction of the 'hungry horse', the cafeteria, a common place for others to be. They had full view of the portapotty. So when you had to go to the bathroom, you had to ask the staff, because they have to escort you down. The staff were always in a bad mood, their job absolutely sucked! They were in the hobbit all day too, and commonly they would pull double shifts because they received a lot of extra pay up at the hobbit. One staff would tell me how much he'd make if he spent two days straight working the hobbit, and it was several hundred dollars. It's pretty stressful after that long, and who do you think they take that out on?





Back to the portapotty though. So, once you managed to convince the staff to let you go to the bathroom, they'd let you out of your room, or cell or whatever you want to call it, to put on your shoelace-less shoes out in the staff area of the hobbit. Then they would parade you down to the portapotty, and of course there would be families walking by, perfect timing for humiliation. Staff sure would get a laugh at the steam coming from the portapotty in the cold winter months. I heard from another student one kid locked himself and wouldn't let himself out. They pushed it over and one can only imagine that mess. Overall, the best situation was to hold it as long as possible. It was freezing, humiliating and gross to go to the bathroom. Again, all part of the punishment.





It's disgusting. Three days straight in sweats a t-shirt and socks, and you can't change any of those items for the entire time. We spent the entire day sitting on the dirty linoleum flooring, which was stained with piss and reeked like ... you get the picture.





There were kids who spent weeks, and months up there. Some kids just can't handle being institutionalized and went crazy. Or as you might put it, 'escalating', except these kids never stopped until they lost it. Why they weren't sent to a psych hospital I will never know. These were the kids who would deficate in the hobbit and smear it on the wall. These were the kids who would carve up their arm like a bloody halloween movie and spread the words 'FREEDOM' across the wall with their own blood.





How is this for reality. I saw these things with my own eyes. I hope this is 'relative and applicable' enough for you to take me seriously.





What is the purpose of the hobbit? It is to punish, humilate, degrade and break the spirit of those who don't act according to the programs ideology. In any other context, this is deplorable. We condemn other nations who use these tactics as terrorist states, yet we allow it right here at home. Why it is allowed in a teen help context, I honestly don't get it, and never will.





You have been censored, very heavily. If you want to know what really goes on, go to myspace.com and search for WWASP and ask the hundreds (thousands now?) of WWASP alumnists there. We aren't the bratty, whining teenagers some make us out to be. A lot of us are in our early/mid twenties now and have had plenty of time to review the events I discuss here- and I am being completely honest here- I have absolutely no reason to make this stuff up. God help me if I sat around lying on message boards all day, what would be the point? I have a passion for this because I felt mistreated, and like to express my views now that I am free to do so.





So, in conclusion, I apologize if my comparison to a hypothetical, made-up situation bothered you. I will state my purpose more plainly in the future, thank you for pointing that out.





Oh yeah, and as far as holding back medication, they never did so in the hobbit with me. They did this when I took my exit plan, telling me my dad owned it, and they had no obligation to give it to me. The medications were already payed for, so the obvious reason they were doing this was blackmail. I was on a couple meds (thyroid and another) that you cannot just stop taking immediately without serious health complications. With their actions, they (the program and my family) told me if I left (a program which I consider abusive), I was basically left for dead. It really was one of my worst days emotionally, I have never felt so alone in the world and completely beaten.





Lucky for me there was one staff there with a soul who noticed me spiraling down into an abyss I surely would have never recovered from (I was literally about to walk down the road, not caring if I died, I just needed out) and asked me if I wanted to be taken to a hospital (against the wishes of other staff there). My family rep was all over me when I jumped in his truck, screaming "you're coming back, we'll see you soon", but I knew I wasn't. Lucky for me I was right. I pleaded with the ER doctor to help me and he referred me to their adjascent psych hospital and finally it was over. What a hellish experience it was getting out of that place. (If you're wondering what happened after that, I spent 4 weeks at the psych hospital because I was 18 they couldnt force me back, woohoo! It took that long just to get my real psychiatrist- god what a difference a little professionalism makes- to negotiate with my dad to get back home. He set a ridiculous home contract based on what the program told him. I broke one of his rules, I can't remember which one, I think I smoked a ciggarette, being 18 and all. I was kicked out within a week of getting home. So, in essence, I 'took my exit plan' once again. I went to live with friends and built my life from there and now live on my own.)





I feel for anyone having to endure being at SCL, and having to deal with taking their exit plan and the after effects. That is why I am posting to this thread.





I am another alumnist who descended into behaviors and activities many, many times worse than before I went. I think the reasons are obvious.








Please, instead of nit-picking posts, might we discuss the larger issue? The elephant in the room so to speak. Are these programs helpful or not. I say not. I base this on my own personal experience at SCL and five years of reflection. In addition to being at four other programs, of which I have no complaints. I feel I have a right to say what I want to say, because I was forced to live it and experience it. All I want to do here is share it with those who want to listen.  

What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that


they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.


--Thomas Sowell

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[69]

Thank you for proving you have no response.  :tup:  :tup:

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-06 14:17:00, Exit Plan wrote:

"Thank you for proving you have no response.  :smile:

[69]

Hehe, forgive me, when I saw a 'I'm with stupid sign' pointing at my post I thought ... well, you know.  :silly:

Don't hate the media. Become the media

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:wstupid: too

Darlin', if I had an unattached daughter your age, I'd be invitin ya ta dinner.

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[Anonymous]

I have to apologize. Some of these postings have come from our home computer.  Our kids and their friends were screwing around and since I have been reading this site from the beginning they thought they would join in.  We have known the Azzopardi family for about 25 years and the kids thought they could get their 2 cents in.  I apologize again.  Maybe I'll get brave enough to get a screen name like Caught In The Middle and not just read.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-06 16:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have to apologize. Some of these postings have come from our home computer.  Our kids and their friends were screwing around and since I have been reading this site from the beginning they thought they would join in.  We have known the Azzopardi family for about 25 years and the kids thought they could get their 2 cents in.  I apologize again.  Maybe I'll get brave enough to get a screen name like Caught In The Middle and not just read."

Huh? WTF?

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 15:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


No one ever held you in the "hobbit" unless you were continually escalated.  

What is escalated?  How does a kid get escalated?

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

[Antigen]

Wow! With friends like those, who needs berzerkers?

What was your involvement in WWASP prior to this past December?

As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money.  What's important is that you continue to do so.
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