Spring Creek Lodge

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-04 13:45:00, Antigen wrote:

"But where's that pic of Alex? 2nd pic in what page? Vampirefreaks doesn't have any and the studio's front page, well the only boy who might be refered to as in the middle looks to be about 4 years old.



Anybody? Please, I want to see a pic of this big, bad, scary drug kingpin.

Those who control the past, control the future; and those who control the present, control the past.

--George Orwell

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That statement shows how retarded you are. Or young and immature. (big bad scary drug kingpin?)
Please so do child molesters look different also maybe there penis is always hanging out of there pants.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 04:01:00, Anonymous wrote:


Alex has admitted to doing a lot of different drugs."

After I had been in my program for a little while I was willing to admit to just about anything to get them to leave me alone.  Most kids end up admitting to far worse things than they've really done because of the pressure in there. Instead of just burying your head in the sand and hoping this all works out, why not ask some of the older graduates of some of these programs how it worked out for them?  Ask them about the kinds of relationships that they have with their parents now.  Some of us have recently gotten out, some have been out for years but the emotional damage lasts long after leaving.  Many of us don't speak to our parents at all.  I hope that doesn't happen to Alex's parents, but it's a good bet it will have far reaching effects.

If every cigarette you smoke takes seven minutes off your life, every game of Dungeons & Draggons you play delays the loss of your virginity by seven hours.
--Brian Warner - The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 04:11:00, Anonymous wrote:


That statement shows how retarded you are. Or young and immature. (big bad scary drug kingpin?)

Please so do child molesters look different also maybe there penis is always hanging out of there pants."

No, it shows how stupid you guys are!!  Y'all got busted in a big fat lie.  That was no drug dealer, that was the lead singer to some band.  You guys kept harping on the "drug dealer" in the picture, so people were asking to see it.  The requests were ignored at first so she got a little fascetious.  No different than the other person asking in all CAPS.  It was frustration.

If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec7.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-04 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-04 17:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Are there any other drugs you'd like to throw into the mix?  Crack, perscription drugs, speed, acid, shrooms?  You might as well while you're at it..."

if you read earlier posts i beleive stealing his mothers Vicodin was another"

well shame on him. They weren't prescribed for him.
From what I have read. Ashley and family should have let them work together as a family. Maybe they wouldn't have went to such extreme measures. You should learn from this Ashley and get some professional help so you have someone to talk to about the guilt, there must be some. Everyone is blaming Alex's parents they like many other parents are trying to help. Like you ex students say they trick the parents.

[Anonymous]

Not saying I totally agree with him being sent there. I do understand his parents are trying to help. Don't worry his parents will go get him if he wants to leave when he turns 18. They would never turn there back on him and tell him good luck getting home.

[WWFSMD]

We, as ex "students", would have a pretty good idea about how these places operate.  A lot of us have grown teenagers now too.  We've been through this on both[/b] sides.  I think we have a fairly clear understanding.  Let's break this down.  I got into some trouble when I was a teenager.  My parents fell for 'the program' hook, line and sinker.   I rarely, if ever, speak to my father now as he remains convinced that he was doing the right thing despite the years of torment I've gone through as a result of the PTSD I carry with me.   The kids I was hanging out with were doing much 'worse' (by program standards) things than I was.  They never went through a program and are doing fine today.  My mother and I have a decent relationship.  She actually looked into what happened to us, albeit after I got out, but at least she opened up her mind and has apologized profusely (hell, she's still apologizing for it).  My kids got into some pretty serious trouble with drugs (all the same ones you've said that Alex has done) for a while and scared the life out of me.  I knew that sending them away was NOT the answer.  I was also armed with actual FACTS about drugs, not propoganda.  The fact is that most kids grow out of it.  The 'cure' should never be worse than the 'disease'.  I hope his parents realize this before its too late.

Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-04 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"And the big bag of pot found in the car door of his mom's car and bedroom closet along with all her smoking paraphenalia were perscibed by a doctor/dentist too?  We're talking about the same woman that tried to hide her cigarette habit from the whole family too..."

So what that o-k's it? Did she say here Alex try this. what about the ecstasy, crack, ect...
I don't know this family. I don't agree with these programs. but Pot is safer and kills less people then alcohol. 90% of the population dose it. That is why a lot of states are trying to legalize it. Vicoden is a proscribed medication. I doubt she bought it off the streets. Trying to make her look bad so you look better maybe?  Instead of beating up on the family why don't you write in a journal then you and Alex can read it together when he gets out. beating up on the parents is not going to get him out. What happens if when he gets out the one thing he wants is his mom and girlfriend do you think you/her will be able to do that after this. You should start thinking about Alex's feelings. From what I read from the family at one time they did have a good relationship and a pretty good upbringing. He may want both of you and he should not have to choose.

[WWFSMD]

I bet it makes a HUGE difference to Alex that mom's sparking up a spliff but he gets sent away.  Talk about being hypocritical!!!  

I understand that the parents are scared.  I understand that they feel like they need to do something...I've been there.  But, the fact remains that in all likelihood the place he's in now is going to do far more damage to both him and the relationship between he and his parents than the lifestyle he was living before going in did or would have.  One of the hardest things we have to do as parents is to let our kids learn from their mistakes.  Sometimes it doesn't happen in the time frame we'd like.  Sometimes it doesn't happen in the manner we'd like, but ultimately they have to go through it.  There is no magic solution that these programs advertise.

for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.    
--Alexander Hamilton

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-05 04:11:00, WWFSMD wrote:

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On 2006-01-05 04:04:00, Anonymous wrote:



Alex's Parents haven't talked to his friends parents. They are handling there kid not anyone else's kids. Something a few people on this site should try."

They're sure talking about Ashley's mom.   They seem to have some strange fascination with telling Ashley's mother how to raise her kid.  Are they calling for the heads of the other kids that were in the car or is this just an Ashley thing?

When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post

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Any of the kids. If you read back Alex's mom only wrote once. and I know for a fact she is no longer reading this site and dose not want to here about it. Family memmbers are all staying away. It should have been handled different. In a more mature way.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-05 04:16:00, WWFSMD wrote:

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On 2006-01-05 04:01:00, Anonymous wrote:



Alex has admitted to doing a lot of different drugs."

After I had been in my program for a little while I was willing to admit to just about anything to get them to leave me alone.  Most kids end up admitting to far worse things than they've really done because of the pressure in there. Instead of just burying your head in the sand and hoping this all works out, why not ask some of the older graduates of some of these programs how it worked out for them?  Ask them about the kinds of relationships that they have with their parents now.  Some of us have recently gotten out, some have been out for years but the emotional damage lasts long after leaving.  Many of us don't speak to our parents at all.  I hope that doesn't happen to Alex's parents, but it's a good bet it will have far reaching effects.

If every cigarette you smoke takes seven minutes off your life, every game of Dungeons & Draggons you play delays the loss of your virginity by seven hours.
--Brian Warner - The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell

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He admitted before going in. I also hope someday he can come to understand they were trying to help. right or wrong but you are right chances are he wont talk to them for a long time.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 05:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

I know for a fact she is no longer reading this site and dose not want to here about it.

I'm sure she doesn't and that's a sad, sad thing.  I'm also quite sure that the program is warning her against listening to the naysayers.  They absolutely cannont STAND to have their methods questioned in any form or fashion.

It should have been handled different. In a more mature way. "

I'm not sure I understand this.  Handled differently by whom?

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy (1917-63), U.S. Democratic politician, president. Speech, 13 March 1962, the White House.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 05:05:00, Anonymous wrote:


He admitted before going in. I also hope someday he can come to understand they were trying to help. right or wrong but you are right chances are he wont talk to them for a long time."

Just to give you some insight, I'm 40 years old and this STILL haunts me to this day.  My father and I have had a tumultuous relationship over the years after getting out and now we haven't spoken in over 5 years.  It still tears my heart out.  I really hope Alex's parents realize this before its too late to do something about it.

In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.
--James Madison, U.S. President

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-05 04:58:00, WWFSMD wrote:

"I bet it makes a HUGE difference to Alex that mom's sparking up a spliff but he gets sent away.  Talk about being hypocritical!!!  



I understand that the parents are scared.  I understand that they feel like they need to do something...I've been there.  But, the fact remains that in all likelihood the place he's in now is going to do far more damage to both him and the relationship between he and his parents than the lifestyle he was living before going in did or would have.  One of the hardest things we have to do as parents is to let our kids learn from their mistakes.  Sometimes it doesn't happen in the time frame we'd like.  Sometimes it doesn't happen in the manner we'd like, but ultimately they have to go through it.  There is no magic solution that these programs advertise.

for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.    
--Alexander Hamilton

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For the most part I agree. I don't believe I would send my child there. But the difference is you have been there they haven't. It doesn't make them bad people. It doesn't sound like they sent him there just to get rid of him. They were probley afraid and felt they were doing there best for him. Just because you and I would let them learn on there own doesn't make us better. They were probley afraid that the harder drugs could kill him.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-05 04:20:00, WWFSMD wrote:

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On 2006-01-05 04:11:00, Anonymous wrote:



That statement shows how retarded you are. Or young and immature. (big bad scary drug kingpin?)


Please so do child molesters look different also maybe there penis is always hanging out of there pants."

No, it shows how stupid you guys are!!  Y'all got busted in a big fat lie.  That was no drug dealer, that was the lead singer to some band.  You guys kept harping on the "drug dealer" in the picture, so people were asking to see it.  The requests were ignored at first so she got a little fascetious.  No different than the other person asking in all CAPS.  It was frustration.

If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec7.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

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Sorry wrong person. I didnt say anything about the drug dealer. I don't know who any of the kids are.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-05 05:15:00, Anonymous wrote:


For the most part I agree. I don't believe I would send my child there. But the difference is you have been there they haven't. It doesn't make them bad people. It doesn't sound like they sent him there just to get rid of him. They were probley afraid and felt they were doing there best for him. Just because you and I would let them learn on there own doesn't make us better. They were probley afraid that the harder drugs could kill him. "

I'm not saying they're bad parents or bad people.  Not in the least.  Misinformed maybe.  Desperate, which makes them easy marks, but not bad people.  I do wish they'd open up their minds a little and read some of the things people have to say here.  Believe it or not, most of us really do care what happens to these families who get caught up in this whole mess.  We don't want to see them go through the long term problems that we have.  When parents are scared, they're vulnerable and gullible.  The programs count on that.  They also count on isolation.  Never let the mark here anything contradictory to what they're teaching.  It really is sad.  These places tear families apart under the guise of "helping" them.

If you think yourself too wise to involve
yourself in government, you will be governed
by those too foolish to govern.  
--Plato