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Offline Anonymous

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« on: November 30, 2005, 10:31:00 PM »
"Because this case involved what is known as diversity of citizenship - in technical legal terms, Fred was a citizen of Virginia and Straight was a corporate citizen of Florida - it was possible to invoke the jurisdiction of a federal court."

-p. 49, The Great Drug War, Arnold Trebach, 2005
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 10:36:00 PM »
Yeah, and he was probably a dream client, too, being a top student at a good tech school.

I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don't believe in either. I don't believe in God as I don't believe in Mother Goose.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2005, 11:34:00 PM »
Oh fine, jump in with that old point again.  :roll:

Are you really telling me that you have researched the kidnapping cases brought against Straight and found some statistical difference in the cases won vs. lost vis-a-vis this contention of yours?
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2005, 11:36:00 PM »
Yeah, ever notice how G jumps in to smack down any discussion of lawsuits? Talk about conspiracy spam.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2005, 11:56:00 PM »
Slapping down lawsuits? Shit! LOL! Where would we be w/o Fred's case? And haven't I practically hawked Arnold's book all about it like a true fan?

Contention? What do you think I'm contending? Are you challenging that Fred Collins was probably about a dream client? Ask any lawyer. Credibility is an important aspect of any case. That's why they never tell you "Eh, dress casually, go ahead and bring the crackhead girlfriend, it'll be fine."

My only contention on the point of lawsuits is that it would be ever so much easier for lawyers to put together cases if public opinion about these places and their client victims were a little more receptive. So that's what I'm working on.

Wanna have a weenie roast?

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 12:13:00 AM »
Never mind all that spam folks, the last four posts were clearly Antigen trolling to distract attention from the original question. I am also curious about the original post, and, now that I get to thinking about Fred Collins' case, I am wondering why no one was ever charged with kidnapping.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2005, 12:19:00 AM »
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"I am also curious about the original post, and, now that I get to thinking about Fred Collins' case, I am wondering why no one was ever charged with kidnapping."

Damn good question. I have been wondering the same thing for the past 20 years. It may have to do with the fact that many kidnappings involved parents & Straight staff. But I really dont know...I just imagine that might complicate things. I know it did for me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2005, 12:21:00 AM »
Could you explain that a little bit more?
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
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"Could you explain that a little bit more?"

I begged police not to prosecute my parents....I didnt want my dad to go to jail for kidnapping. I could care less about all the others that would have gone to jail...2 staff members, my step monster, and the three unknown accomplices. Police did tell me that the state could prosecute whether I liked it or not...It just never happened for some reason. BTW, I was 18 when I was kidnapped.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2005, 12:55:00 AM »
Interesting. I wonder if Virginia would work the same way, that is, could they prosecute for kidnapping with or without the victim?
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2005, 01:03:00 AM »
That would be interesting. I heard that there are no s.o.l.'s on felony crimes in VA.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2005, 01:04:00 AM »
Anyone know the statutes on federal kidnapping charges?
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2005, 01:05:00 AM »
Criminal

Straight-Cincinnati

sensory deprivations, sexual confessions, kids sitting in own defecation, kids carving on self.  Atty. Richard Doyle 606-431-5683 , Cincinnati, led 3 year investigation.

Ohio

Straight voluntarily closed on day of trial. Strangely, today Kids Helping Kids of Cincinnati --a Straight descendent program operates out of old Straight -Cincinnati facility
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2005, 01:15:00 AM »
I never really looked at that page before. It's got a lot of lawyer's names on it, and some cases wherein justice was not done because of conspiracy, it looks like.
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