Suzanne Gray - Mindless Troll and HLA Groupie

[SHH Anon Classics]

Robert its not that hard to search your IP just like you claim to do with everybody else, and find out who you are, if anybody really gave a shit. So dont think they dont already know who you are.

[Anonymous]

come trace my IP motherfucker!!!! come and get me, waaaah, wwaaaah!! :cry2:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-04 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Once again, assumptions and twists of my statements Robert, as usual. No, I did not give out precise personal information. I guessed at a number of months and if Devin says thats the correct number, then I guess I was just lucky. And I did not say specifically when he was there. I said it was during a 3 or 4 yr period. I know for a fact there was at least one other Devon there during that time. And I did not give out any other information about him. I guessed that because I heard he was a pain in the butt and so are you, I thought it might be possible that you and him were the same. But like I said, all that is a guess. And no my attorney friend isnt Marty. I havent talked to Marty or seen him since I left there. And no, I dont know the policies of transcripts. Its not one of the topics I talked to Dr. B. about. And no, I dont hide behind anything. I usually am pretty clear about who I am. When I did post anonymously it was because I wanted to see if using an anonymous name would keep you from insulting me in a personal manner. Not because I was afraid of anything. And yes you are not telling the total truth to George. There might be a legitimate reason he isnt getting his transcript yet. Remember he has only been gone less than a week. It might be coming in the mail or something. You dont know anything about George's situation and of course neither do I, however, you are assuming the worst case scenario, and that is wrong. Why dont you go after the actual perpetrators of whatever "abuse" you supposedly endured, like the actual individuals, not me, nor the owner of the school, or the ones who are good people who work there. Go after the actual people who did whatever harm to you and lay off the innocent ones. Youll get alot more respect that way I am sure. "

Why would you ever think Im seeking the respect of greedy, child abuse endorsing/perpetrating, moronic, weak, cowardly and or their puppets?

If anything the sign that people such as yourself and your boss dont respect me is a positive thing.

That's like saying Hitler doesnt respect me.

Unless youre a Nazi who fucking cares?

Now onto your nonsense. Are you going to claim that in that infantile mind of yours you somehow guessed the correct number of months that he was there? You arent capable of such an act Mrs. Gray youre far to dumb. On top of the fact that you stated not a 3 or 4 year period but in fact between 97-98. Furthermore you still arent stating where you got the idea that we had similar personalities. Claiming you had heard he was a pain in the butt? From who? What had he done to earn such a remark? What facts were you privy to?

Oh and again no you arent always clear about who you are. You keep conviently forgetting when I called you on the fact that it was you trying to reveal who I was. You lied about it remember, just as you should also remember you claimed you never lie. A contridiction you have yet to explain.

As to the transcript issues, he may yet get his transcript, however that does not change the fact that HLA openly threatens kids who leave early concerning their transcripts. What are your thoughts on this practice?

Also Im interested in your use of the word "supposedly" endured related to the abuse I suffered while at HLA. Would you really like to go down that road Susie? Try me on it, you'll soon learn. As to you specifically, I never knew you. However I do know that Fatass was a huge instigator of a great deal of the suffering we endured, and that you put food on your table at the expense of us. Further Buch turned a blind eye to a great many things. Dont talk to me about innocent ones, they were usually fired for caring about the inmates. You probably dont know or think to highly of any of them.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-04 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Robert its not that hard to search your IP just like you claim to do with everybody else, and find out who you are, if anybody really gave a shit. So dont think they dont already know who you are."

I have never claimed to do it with everybody else. If you disagree repost such a comment made by me that even suggest as much. I'll let you know ahead of time you cant. Not just because your an impotent whiney little pathetic bitch. But more so because I never made such a comment. Why dont you check your facts before hand in the future. It helps :grin:

As to knowing who I am, they dont. If they want to run my IP they can but they cant admit it in court so what difference would it make? On top of that running my IP will only give them my computers location, not my name. Like I said check your facts first retard. Since I dont live in the same location I did while at HLA it really wont help all that much.

[RobertBruce]

Oh and Susie, Ive asked you this many times over the last few months. Each time you dodge the question.

Youve mentioned repeatedly how any staffer who touches or harms a student would be immediatly fired.

Yet Jimsir physically attacked a student at one point simply because the kid made a smartass comment.

He is still employed there is he not?

You were there at the time this occured were you not?

How does this fit into your theory?

[SHH Anon Classics]

Ok let me see if I can answer all your ridiculous statements. I am sure you will let me know if I miss any. First, the only thing I know about Jim attacking anybody is your saying that he did. I never heard about him attacking anybody, nor did I hear anybody else say this. I am sure if he had "attacked" anybody and they got hurt, he would have been fired. Are you sure you arent just exagerating just a little bit about the "attacking" part? Secondly, I may be wrong on who ACTUALLY stated they could run IP's. But you were part of that conversation so I was thinking it was you. But you did tell me that you knew who I was by tracing my IP number at one time, so forgive my assumption. However, that being said, your identity can be found out. Its not that hard. Dont be so sure that some people on here or at the school dont already know who you are. I personally dont know either way but I wouldnt assume you are anonymous. Third, I did not say between 97 and 98. Those were the years I was a parttime employee. What I said was sometime between 1997 and 1999. That is 3 years if you count from January to December. And there were at least 2 Devons during that time. And yes the 3 months was a guess, I dont have to be dumb or bright with that one if its correct, just lucky. Fourth, as far as your comment about my ex husband being responsible for instigating abuse, you are DEAD WRONG. He was responsible for physical plant, business issues, and hiring maintenance, cooks, janitorial, and dentist and doctor contractors. He in no way abused you or your fellow students and you know that. My father in law worked on any and all maintenance issues round the clock. They were both on call 24/7 and I cant tell you how many times the phone rang in the middle of the night because of things breaking or the power going out due to bad weather, or some sort of emergency, etc etc. They were on top of any issue as fast as they could. They also both worked from 6 am until 11pm during the week long ice storm we had in January 1999 or 2000(cant remember which january) when power was out for 5 days rounding up generators,kerosene heaters, going to town in 4wheel drive vehicles for gas, and personally helping get the ovens started for the kitchen and cooking also. They also organized where to put kids in bldgs that had generators or fireplaces so nobody would be cold. So dont go and tell ANYBODY on this board that Mr. Gray was responsible for any sort of abuse because it is totally untrue and horribly unfair. You blame the ones responsible for whatever hatred you have from 6 yrs ago and leave Mr. Gray out of it, because he is innocent of abuse and he can sue you for your comments Robert. Fifth, the reason I asked about what kind of abuse is you have never stated why you hate the school so much. You never stated what kind of abuse you endured. Physical? sexual? emotional? I was just curious what caused you to hate so much.

Im sure ive missed a few but its late and Ive been working all weekend so whenever you get around to slamming this post too Ill answer the rest.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Bruce...a lost soul indeed.. :lol:

[RobertBruce]

>>>>>>>>>First, the only thing I know about Jim attacking anybody is your saying that he did. I never heard about him attacking anybody, nor did I hear anybody else say this. I am sure if he had "attacked" anybody and they got hurt, he would have been fired. Are you sure you arent just exagerating just a little bit about the "attacking" part? <<<<<<<<<

No, I'm not exagerating it at all. I wonder though what is your reason for asking? You claim you dont recall such an event occuring, yet you automatically assume I'm exagerating it? Why? Simply because you operate under the misconcieved notion that employees who harm students were immediatly fired? We'll I'm happy to burst your bubble on this Mrs. Gray. The truth of the matter is Jimmy is not alone in being employees who attacked students and were not fired. Ask your ex if your memory is so poor. I would have thought such a high level employee as yourself who regurarly met with Buch would be aware of such occurences...oh there I did it again. You had no involvement with the school, had no knowledge of what went on there, thus you wouldnt be aware of such an event occuring. Tell me though does it make a difference to you the severity of the attack as to whether or not it warrants an employee being fired? How would parents feel about that philosphy? Youre claiming it only matters if the child is hurt? Otherwise its okay? Answer that question for Mrs. Gray. While your brooding on it remind yourself that if a student had attacked a staff member in the same manner irregardless of whether or not the staff member was hurt, not only would they have been restrained, they would have been sent out into the woods for God knows how long only to return on a fallin. Is that fair Mrs. Gray?

>>>>>>>>>>>Secondly, I may be wrong on who ACTUALLY stated they could run IP's. But you were part of that conversation so I was thinking it was you. But you did tell me that you knew who I was by tracing my IP number at one time, so forgive my assumption. However, that being said, your identity can be found out. Its not that hard. Dont be so sure that some people on here or at the school dont already know who you are. I personally dont know either way but I wouldnt assume you are anonymous<<<<<<<<<<<,

I dont believe anyone said they had run everyones IP. We ran yours because you lied (a contridiction you STILL have not explained  :grin: ) and claimed it wasnt you when we knew it was. For my identity to be found by tracing my IP my computer would have to be registered to my name. Since it is not any name that comes up (which wont) would not then be my own. I have also already reminded you, we still have a source who clues us in on things. None of you idiots have found out anything of substance. But if as you claim its not that hard to ascertain my identity, by all means try try again. I mean youre batting 1000 so far.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Third, I did not say between 97 and 98. Those were the years I was a parttime employee. What I said was sometime between 1997 and 1999. That is 3 years if you count from January to December. And there were at least 2 Devons during that time. And yes the 3 months was a guess, I dont have to be dumb or bright with that one if its correct, just lucky. <<<<<<<

You claimed he was there at the time you did the report cards did you not? As to there being another Devin you never answered my question as to whether or not the other one was only there for three months as well. You may claim its just a guess Mrs. Gray but honestly do you think a judge would buy that?

"I just guessed your honor. I know I had access to student records as an employee and would have been privy to such information as name time and length of stay, but I forgot all that and then just guessed at it correctly."

Yeah he'll buy it. Idiot.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth, as far as your comment about my ex husband being responsible for instigating abuse, you are DEAD WRONG. He was responsible for physical plant, business issues, and hiring maintenance, cooks, janitorial, and dentist and doctor contractors. He in no way abused you or your fellow students and you know that. My father in law worked on any and all maintenance issues round the clock. They were both on call 24/7 and I cant tell you how many times the phone rang in the middle of the night because of things breaking or the power going out due to bad weather, or some sort of emergency, etc etc. They were on top of any issue as fast as they could. They also both worked from 6 am until 11pm during the week long ice storm we had in January 1999 or 2000(cant remember which january) when power was out for 5 days rounding up generators,kerosene heaters, going to town in 4wheel drive vehicles for gas, and personally helping get the ovens started for the kitchen and cooking also. They also organized where to put kids in bldgs that had generators or fireplaces so nobody would be cold. So dont go and tell ANYBODY on this board that Mr. Gray was responsible for any sort of abuse because it is totally untrue and horribly unfair. You blame the ones responsible for whatever hatred you have from 6 yrs ago and leave Mr. Gray out of it, because he is innocent of abuse and he can sue you for your comments Robert<<<<<<<<<<<

No he really really cant. Ive made no libelous comments towards him at any time. I will however directly respond to your comments with facts that can easily be backed up. Bill Gray Jr. when pressed by the students to make upgrades in the dorms because of saftey concerns claimed that we had caused the damage (mold, infestation, leaks, faulty plumbing ect.) and thus we should be made the ones to deal with it. Now you can claim this never happened but it did. I know it happened because I was one of the students that spoke with him about it. I can also very very easily prove this conversation occured before you claim anyone is lying. Add that to the fact that there was no direct evidence that students had intentionally caused the damage other than wear and tear (HLA staffers never needed evidence for their claims against us) and you are left with a rather large issue. Espically considering its not by any means the only one of a very similar list. I mean who can forget the memorable weekend we went without toilet paper? That was really staying on top of things Ive gotta admit.

>>>>>>>>Fifth, the reason I asked about what kind of abuse is you have never stated why you hate the school so much. You never stated what kind of abuse you endured. Physical? sexual? emotional? I was just curious what caused you to hate so much. <<<<<<<<

What difference does it make to you? You'd simply claim I was making it up so why bother telling you? The people who need to know what happened know. You arent important enough for me to tell, so I choose not to. Now scamper off and claim Im not telling you because there is nothing to tell, while the people who matter and know the truth read all of your moronic responses and call you a stupid bitch. Oh and for the record, as Ive said many times, I dont hate HLA or the people who worked there. Ive forgiven HLA its sins against me long ago. I simply want to expose the truth about them and make sure puppets like you dont sell anyone on the lies youve been instructed to spew off.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-04 19:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Mr. Bruce...a lost soul indeed.. :lol: "

Lost to who? HLA. Yes and I thank God for it.

[WestSideStud2430]

Yeah, well if you ask me, all these motherfuckers are crooked.  It's quite obvious to me just by reading these message boards (as I have been since May of this year) and by first-person experience being a student at the school, seeing kids leave, that the school, on many aspects, punishes you and threatens you for leaving early.  Not only did they hold my transcript, but when they sent my belongings home, they sent it COD requesting a check for $53.61 written to "Hidden Lake Academy, Inc." before I could claim what is legally mine.  So here's the score board so far, a MasterCard commercial, if you will:

Student's academic transcript:    $16,409.78
Student's personal possessions:   $53.61
Finding out you can't receive what's legally yours because some bastards are illegal and want every cent of currency in all your bank accounts:
                                PRICELESS.

Some things money can't buy.  For everything else, there's North Georgian's waiting to fuck you over.

I know it's illegal.  Believe me -- I've done my research, not just on the internet, but with close friends and parents of close friends who are high-profile lawyers both in Downtown Dallas and Downtown Houston and other large-scale cities around the United States (other than Texas, of course).  It's highly illegal -- yes, my parents can be billed due to previous dues, but no, my transcript can't be held as bait for it. The transcript has to due with me -- therefore I cannot be punished.  If the school wants to pump money out of this family, then they should be punishing my parents in some way, but what the fuck do I have to do with it?

[SHH Anon Classics]

I dont have time to address all of these but will later. I will address two of them however. The first one, regarding me being a parttime employee. I said I worked there between Oct 97 and July 98. I said I thought Devin was there between 97 and 99. There is no correllation other than I lived on campus that whole time. I didnt physically put the report cards in the files. Therefore I didnt see personal information about the students other than the grades I typed. I dont remember seeing Devon's name in my report card paperwork so I dont know if I typed his report cards or not. But the two things have nothing in common except the years. And lets supposed that I actually had access to files. How in the world would I remember what was in them specifically at this point? But since I didnt have access to them, its a moot point. I told you everything about why I guessed Devin and if you are too dense to go over and over and over it then thats your problem.

Second item I will address. The buildings you lived in were new if you were there during the time you say you were. Why would they leak? What were they infested with? I never heard of any serious maintenance issues with them when I lived there those 4 years. Now the mold issue is a tough one to fight since I had mold in my own house. North Georgia is high humidity and can be tough to fight in rooms like bathrooms. But the other stuff wouldnt have had anything to do with quality of buildings and I am sure if something needed to be fixed it would have been. I know for a fact that plumbing and other company trucks went up to the school to fix things so there would have been no reason to not address maintenance things. So no, you cannot call Mr. Gray a perpetrator of abuse. Those buildings are nice, and less than 10 yrs old some newer than that, and if there are things that needed fixing I am sure they did it. As far as toilet paper issues, I never heard anything about that so I dont know what happened there.

[RobertBruce]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont have time to address all of these but will later.<<<<<<<

No you probably wont.


>>>>>>>>>>>>The first one, regarding me being a parttime employee. I said I worked there between Oct 97 and July 98. I said I thought Devin was there between 97 and 99. There is no correllation other than I lived on campus that whole time. I didnt physically put the report cards in the files. Therefore I didnt see personal information about the students other than the grades I typed. I dont remember seeing Devon's name in my report card paperwork so I dont know if I typed his report cards or not. But the two things have nothing in common except the years. And lets supposed that I actually had access to files. How in the world would I remember what was in them specifically at this point? But since I didnt have access to them, its a moot point. I told you everything about why I guessed Devin and if you are too dense to go over and over and over it then thats your problem<<<<<<<<<<<<

Okay so again let me make sure I have your story straight.

You worked for HLA in your home filling out report cards for roughly a year. Even though you did not physically touch the files the report cards you were filling out were actually part of the file and would be later placed in it. While there you met a student named Devin who you remembered because he shares your sons name. Someone told you he was a "pain in the butt" and you remembered that as well. Because you did in fact fill out his report card you not only knew when he was there but for how long. In the ensuing years you forgot all of that and then somehow guessed it all back right again?

Is that the story youre sticking to?

I mean you did release his first name, the time frame in which he was there and the amount of time he spent at HLA correct? Am I wrong in any of that? Let's make sure we're clear on this.

If that's the story you may be in for some trouble if I can convince him to come after you.

You see Mrs. Gray when a person learns something and then maybe doesnt think about it for a little while, but then later on talks about what they had originally learned..thats not called guessing, its called remembering.

You remembered those things about him, thats why you got it right. Either that or someone told you, the more likely scenario.

I mean you still havent explained why you made the correlation to begin with. We are both pains in the butt? Your anal fetishes aside thats not really a personality trait. I mean what was it about him that so bothered you? How is it similar to my actions. You let me know.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Second item I will address. The buildings you lived in were new if you were there during the time you say you were. Why would they leak? What were they infested with? I never heard of any serious maintenance issues with them when I lived there those 4 years. Now the mold issue is a tough one to fight since I had mold in my own house. North Georgia is high humidity and can be tough to fight in rooms like bathrooms. But the other stuff wouldnt have had anything to do with quality of buildings and I am sure if something needed to be fixed it would have been. I know for a fact that plumbing and other company trucks went up to the school to fix things so there would have been no reason to not address maintenance things. So no, you cannot call Mr. Gray a perpetrator of abuse. Those buildings are nice, and less than 10 yrs old some newer than that, and if there are things that needed fixing I am sure they did it. As far as toilet paper issues, I never heard anything about that so I dont know what happened there. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

And you still want to behave as if you didnt hear something translates to it never happened? You are in fact the quintessential southener. You also still want to operate under the beliefe that you know when I attended HLA. You dont, stop believing you do. You in reality have no clue and because you have no clue you have no clue what the condition of the campus was at that time. Something you might find funny is that eventually I took pictures of our luxurious living conditions and would be happy to share them with you since youre so certian everything was taken care of very quickly.

Are you sure you want this argument?

[WestSideStud2430]

I'd like to comment-- the buildings are hideous, and I'm not sure which ones yall are referring to, but chances are I know which ones your talking about because most of the buildings on-campus are old.  As of about five months ago, they did not even have routine pest control checks on the campus -- I woke up one morning with a total count of 37 bug bites (just me) and my three other roommates each had at least 13 bug bites together.  I wrote a 2-page long e-mail written directly to Bill Gray, Junior, himself, the infamous "Director Of Operations" as he calls himself, explaining how I pay $6,500 a month and can't even get pest control regularly in my living quarters.  I complained to my peer group counselors who said "they'd reffer my letter" and got nowhere after a week, so I took it upon myself to e-mail it directly to the "Director".  He then assured me (after 2 weeks time) after I had to sacrifice my right leg in arguments to get a doctor's appointment to get them check out, that from now on there would be regular Terminix checks coming from the Fulton County Terminix (Fulton County is Downtown Atlanta and Atlanta-metro, for those that aren't familiar with the area), so then he turned and called my mother and praised me by explaining to her that due to my beautifully written proposal that there would NOW be regular Terminix bug control checks.  My mom responded with, "Your in the North Georgia mountains and you DON'T have regular pest control checks?!?!?"  For $6,500 a month, there should be an on-campus Terminix branch and my beck-and-call.  This happened the beginning of this year and the final scars and marks on my body only completely dissapeared two months ago (we just started the month of December), due to this problem.  I don't know what your smoking, Ms. Gray, but they, by no means, attend to ANYTHING with speed or priority, I don't know about your days there (which I'm doubting it was different), but I can sure as all hell tell you that as far as from October 15th, 2004 thru now, nothing is cared for attentively and you have to bitch and moan to get ANYTHING done, even the basic living necessities and securities.  There are free programs in Waco, Texas that offer better living conditions and newer, cleaner facilities than HLA does in Dahlonega, Georgia for $6,500 a month.  I think you need to get your facts straight, and I'm sensing that your supporting of HLA has a little more to do with a personal former relationship problem rather than the better-ing of troubled teens.

If anyone has any questions referring to any of my experiences first-hand at HLA, you can reach me at george.chongris@sbcglobal.net

[SHH Anon Classics]

I used to work there and almost every dorm building is less than 8 years old. Which one were you in ?

[WestSideStud2430]

:wstupid:
Got a few things for yall.

1. If your gonna post on here, why don't you quit pussying out and man up- at least make a user name, and why would it matter if you "used" to work there? And how did you respond SOO fast? Who we hidin from?
2. 8 years, Maybe.  The Academic Building that all the classes are held in is still the original academic building from when the school was first opened in late 1994.  The Counselor "Base Camp", or "Counselor Building", as Hitler's Last Achievement (HLA) proclaims it to be, is an original dorm from the opening, but because it had no central A/C or heating, they received too many complaints and had to put the kids in alternate dorms.
3. Dorm C is the newest dorm, which is where the girls live in.  This is the dormitory that is advertised in all the HLA brochures and shown in pictures, because it is the nicest, newest, and most luxorious dorm, all 2 floors of it, and currently houses an average of 85 female students.
4. Dorm B is a former girls dorm, and this is one of the last of the original buildings.  This is used for male students 16-19 who attend the school.
5. Dorm A is more than 4 years old, I'm sure of.  This is the dorm that was infested and I got attacked by bugs in, and boys from 13-16 live there and they keep NO hygeine at all.  It is the dirtiest shithole  on earth, and the school simply does not care, nor keeps up with it.  They see it as "Well, if a select group of students can't clean themselves, then let's punish the ones who are."  
6. I don't wanna hear any person claiming shit until you or your parents have paid $6,500 a month for at least 5 months of the program and lived on that campus and dealt with the mental abuse and manipulation, of you and everyone in your family.  Those who haven't live it do not and WILL not understand.  Don't think you know till you've walked a mile in my (or any current or former HLA student) shoes, cause it's quite something.