Radio Inside Scoop

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-11-16 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"lol  Like I said, I couldn't wait to hear what you'd come up with for that one.  (enjoyable)



  Yes, a long-term documentary was filmed there (I was present during part of it).  Filming during raps, private one-on-one's, family condferences, an 18 yr old who wanted to pull himself from the program but decided against it, stayed and graduated, host homes, open meetings, everything.



  Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it - I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)



  Will I pass it along to you?  I think not.  Lord only knows what kind of pathetic things you'd do with it (probably edit it to somehow SUIT your needs).  Why should I do anyone here any favors?  No thanks.



  So, get those investigative hats on and start your search.  Could be FUN for you!"

I just love programmie excuses.

Youre a fucking liar and we called you on it. You can't keep dodging or re-directing if someone smart enough to see what youre doing is around.

Come up with the fucking info, or shut the fuck up!  :wave: Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-16 16:21:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"

On 2005-11-16 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:


"lol  Like I said, I couldn't wait to hear what you'd come up with for that one.  (enjoyable)





  Yes, a long-term documentary was filmed there (I was present during part of it).  Filming during raps, private one-on-one's, family condferences, an 18 yr old who wanted to pull himself from the program but decided against it, stayed and graduated, host homes, open meetings, everything.





  Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it - I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)





  Will I pass it along to you?  I think not.  Lord only knows what kind of pathetic things you'd do with it (probably edit it to somehow SUIT your needs).  Why should I do anyone here any favors?  No thanks.





  So, get those investigative hats on and start your search.  Could be FUN for you!"

I just love programmie excuses.



Youre a fucking liar and we called you on it. You can't keep dodging or re-directing if someone smart enough to see what youre doing is around.



Come up with the fucking info, or shut the fuck up!  :wave: Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet

"

  Your eloquent vocabulary and obvious integrity are so deeply admired.   Just another intelligent representitive of this forum. Thank you.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-11-16 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-16 16:21:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"

On 2005-11-16 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:



"lol  Like I said, I couldn't wait to hear what you'd come up with for that one.  (enjoyable)







  Yes, a long-term documentary was filmed there (I was present during part of it).  Filming during raps, private one-on-one's, family condferences, an 18 yr old who wanted to pull himself from the program but decided against it, stayed and graduated, host homes, open meetings, everything.







  Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it - I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)







  Will I pass it along to you?  I think not.  Lord only knows what kind of pathetic things you'd do with it (probably edit it to somehow SUIT your needs).  Why should I do anyone here any favors?  No thanks.







  So, get those investigative hats on and start your search.  Could be FUN for you!"

I just love programmie excuses.





Youre a fucking liar and we called you on it. You can't keep dodging or re-directing if someone smart enough to see what youre doing is around.





Come up with the fucking info, or shut the fuck up!  :wave: Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet

"

  Your eloquent vocabulary and obvious integrity are so deeply admired.   Just another intelligent representitive of this forum. Thank you."

You know, I was expecting that.

You cant face up to the ISSUE, that you're a LIAR, so instead you try to redirect; to change the focus of the dialogue to me.

Its not about me, or how foul mouthed I am - it doesnt matter. What matters is all you had to say about LIFE were debunked by Helena, and your supposed suprrise evidence that is a "documentary" is non existant. You made it up. You lied.

No amount of attacking me or ATTEMPTED redirection will change that. Admit defeat, and go fix your own issues before you try to analyze others issues over the internet.

This isn't a rap, this isnt your program, you can't do that. Youre not in control. I am. Helena is. Ginger is. The truth is. Your lies are meaningless here. You cant dodge, redirect, try to bring in something new, or make it about the person debunking you, because I wont let you, and they wont let you.
 
So, again, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out  :wave: YOU FAILED.

Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-11-16 09:29:00, Antigen wrote:

"Did you guys do TR at LIFE? (timeout room)



Let me explain what that is. Say a kid is an oldcomer when they get confronted for some thought crime or other. First, they get a setback. If they let slip any anger or frustration about it, they're deemed a misbehaver. Once that happens, sometimes staff would pull from their bag of nasty tricks "Who wants to take Lucy to TR?" Arms flail, the group is worked up into a vindictive lather, eager to help Lucy see the light!



Several people are chosen to take Lucy to one of the TR rooms, where they scream in her face, poke her in the chest, demand confession and contrition, etc. If that doesn't produce a convincing faccimili of true remourse and gratitude, it escalates, often resulting in broken bones, bruises and other semi-serious injury. This can go on for hours and days and sometimes include things like forcing the misbehaver to stand 24/7 w/o sleep, adequate food, water or bathroom breaks because they have an endless supply of fresh phasers to tag team her.



Did you ever see that happen in LIFE?



I've heard about Petermen's fetish for pulling little girls around by the hair. I wonder if she got that from Virgil or the other way around or if it was just coincidence. Anybody care to describe that scene in some detail?



Sue, you can sit this one out since you never saw any of that."

Nope. I don't remember anything like that. I do know that the really bad misbehavers were taken to a back room away from the group, but it was mostly just a restraining thing going on.

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-11-16 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

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  Will I pass it along to you?  I think not.  Lord only knows what kind of pathetic things you'd do with it (probably edit it to somehow SUIT your needs).  Why should I do anyone here any favors?  No thanks."

That's funny. Thanks for the laugh.

I remember a film crew there in '87. Maybe it wasn't the same one, I don't know. But I do remember that it was a special event and there was no business as usual going on at the time. They took a few of the "model phasers" and had them give a well-rehearsed speech in front of the camera. It might have just been a local news thing, I'm not sure.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-11-16 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"lol  Like I said, I couldn't wait to hear what you'd come up with for that one.  (enjoyable)

What is it with your distaste for facts?

Yes, a long-term documentary was filmed there (I was present during part of it).  Filming during raps, private one-on-one's, family condferences, an 18 yr old who wanted to pull himself from the program but decided against it, stayed and graduated, host homes, open meetings, everything.


  Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it -I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)



  Will I pass it along to you?  I think not.  Lord only knows what kind of pathetic things you'd do with it (probably edit it to somehow SUIT your needs).  Why should I do anyone here any favors?  No thanks.



  So, get those investigative hats on and start your search.  Could be FUN for you!"

Ah, nothing like the smell of good ol' program paranoia!  What exactly do you think "our needs" are?  What?  The "evil Fornits people" will doctor the tape to show you morons leading rap in your skivvies?   PUHHHHHHHLEEEEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!

You know, you have dodged, deflected and parried for days now, and you still haven't answered the basic question:  What is your problem with our wanting to see the end of abuse??

I'll repeat: What is your problem with our wanting to see the end of abuse??

Oh, if you didn't catch that, I said, "What is your problem with our wanting to see the end of abuse??"

[Helena Handbasket]

  ...Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it - I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)

It won an Emmy, did it?  Under what category - Daytime Drama, Animation or Game Shows?

Borrowing from law, the burden of proof falls on the guy who makes the claim.  You claim there's a video, it's up to you to prove it.

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-11-16 20:04:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

"

  ...Yes, I know the producer's name, the year it was made AND that he received an EMMY for it - I even OWN a copy. (Oh, and this man and company had NO relatives in the program, in case you were going to assume it was a parent trying to warp what happened there.)

It won an Emmy, did it?  Under what category - Daytime Drama, Animation or Game Shows?
"

No, Science Fiction. I think it was called George Orwell's Ministry of Love

[Anonymous]

I remember the documentary.  It was titled YOU CAN MAKE IT.

[Anonymous]

Helena asks:  What is your problem with us wanting to end the abuse?

  I answered earlier, but here it is AGAIN:

 From previous post - "The reason I posted that I never endured nor witnessed abuse at LIFE is simply to state the truth. WHY would I NOT jump in with you all if I did?!? Many of you state that "these programs" are harmful and abusive to all , when that was NOT my experience at ALL (nor was it for hundreds of others I witnessed through my time there). "

 
  Just out of curiosity sake - WHAT do you summize to be the REASON these programs and staff are ABUSING all the kids?  WHAT do these people GAIN in doing so?  WHY do YOU believe it's happening??

[Anonymous]

They're power hungry maniacs who like to exert their power over helpless teens who have no recourse to prevent or even report any abuses.  The get off on controlling others.  The can't do it in the real world with adults so what better play things than kids who are extremely susceptable (sp) to this kind of coercion.

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-11-17 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Helena asks:  What is your problem with us wanting to end the abuse?



  I answered earlier, but here it is AGAIN:



 From previous post - "The reason I posted that I never endured nor witnessed abuse at LIFE is simply to state the truth. WHY would I NOT jump in with you all if I did?!? Many of you state that "these programs" are harmful and abusive to all , when that was NOT my experience at ALL (nor was it for hundreds of others I witnessed through my time there). "



 
  Just out of curiosity sake - WHAT do you summize to be the REASON these programs and staff are ABUSING all the kids?  WHAT do these people GAIN in doing so?  WHY do YOU believe it's happening??



 
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Here's a question for you. Did you witness people being locked up against their will, without any due process of law whatsoever?

As to why... it's because they think drugs are so evil that it's ok to destroy the lives of people suspected of using them in order to fight them.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-11-17 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Helena asks:  What is your problem with us wanting to end the abuse?



  I answered earlier, but here it is AGAIN:



 From previous post - "The reason I posted that I never endured nor witnessed abuse at LIFE is simply to state the truth. WHY would I NOT jump in with you all if I did?!? Many of you state that "these programs" are harmful and abusive to all , when that was NOT my experience at ALL (nor was it for hundreds of others I witnessed through my time there). "



 
  Just out of curiosity sake - WHAT do you summize to be the REASON these programs and staff are ABUSING all the kids?  WHAT do these people GAIN in doing so?  WHY do YOU believe it's happening??



 
"

Ferrous Cranus


    

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

[Taken from http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warr ... cranus.htm  ]


The amount of people who are testifying to the abuse is vast, STRAIGHT has already been closed by the courts, LIFE was little more than a copy of STRAIGHT, and KHK a copy of LIFE. Furthermore, Every story of abuse matches up with the others. Now, thousands of stories over a decade or more, all matching up? If they were lying, then they wouldnt match up so well.

That abuse happened back in STRAIGHT is for all purposes proven. That it happened in LIFE is suspect merely because of its association with STRAIGHT, but if you were to examine it critically it seems to be just like any other 'emotional growth' (LGAT based) program.

But, thats probably all over your head, so I'll dumb it down for you:

Abuse happened, they want to get the story out, and then they want to prevent any abuse from happening again - by shutting down programs that are abusive and putting laws and procedures in place to prevent this from happening (so kids in treatment can call the cops, or an attourney, etc) and to spread public awareness.

You come in and basically imply that it never happened and they're all lying. Uh, it did. Youve yet to find any way to disprove that it happened, so now youre trying to say the burden of proof is on them to show that it did, and you issue a false question such as "why would they do it if they had nothing to gain by doing so".

The question itself is bullshit. The model of 'treatment' employed in LIFE is nothing more than LGATs employed within a thought reform regime. Its not about them choosing to abuse "for no reason", its that the program itself is abusive.

Youre also throwing in so many red herrings that youd do a good job to start a fishing business. Also, learn how to use QUOTE tags properly, please. Also, please indicate what youre quoting from before (tags or not) because what you post is very confusing to some people.

You're also a big fat ferrous cranus  :sad:

Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.
--Carl Schurz, German-born U.S. general and U.S. senator

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-14 06:10:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:


 :question:  :question:  :question:

In other words, you don't deny that these things happened, and yet you never wittnessed or experienced abuse?

Ok, darlin, let's talk turkey. Were you on staff? Are you now employed or deeply involved somehow in a stepcraft rehab situation? Cause I honestly can't think of any other way you could maintain this level of self delusion over all these years.

BTW, I bet I know how you "knew" about Shane's criminal record. Haven't you figured it out yet? There's a pattern. Every time someone escaped, there would be these horrible rumors about them. I've even heard from people who we all thought were dead. That was the cover for "nobody ever escapes, they always get caught so don't even think about it." I found out a few years ago that my own mother went around telling everyone we knew from the Program that I was a heroin addict and a hooker.  :roll:

Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.

--Abbie Hoffman

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-11-17 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Helena asks:  What is your problem with us wanting to end the abuse?



  I answered earlier, but here it is AGAIN:



 From previous post - "The reason I posted that I never endured nor witnessed abuse at LIFE is simply to state the truth. WHY would I NOT jump in with you all if I did?!? Many of you state that "these programs" are harmful and abusive to all , when that was NOT my experience at ALL (nor was it for hundreds of others I witnessed through my time there). "



 
  Just out of curiosity sake - WHAT do you summize to be the REASON these programs and staff are ABUSING all the kids?  WHAT do these people GAIN in doing so?  WHY do YOU believe it's happening??

Well here ya have it straight from one horse's mouth!