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« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2005, 12:40:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-23 06:33:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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On 2005-11-22 17:10:00, Antigen wrote:


"That's better. Luv ya Helena, luv ya Timebomb. Now have a seat. Who's got a song?




"We Shall Overcome!""


  You Can Make It
  Pass It On
 (funny how it comes back to you so many years later)
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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2005, 09:52:00 AM »
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  You Can Make It

  Pass It On

 (funny how it comes back to you so many years later)"


Pass it on?  Is there a line in there about Bogarting?   :rofl:
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« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2005, 11:18:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-22 17:10:00, Antigen wrote:

"That's better. Luv ya Helena, luv ya Timebomb. Now have a seat. Who's got a song?


"We Shall Overcome!""


  You Can Make It

  Pass It On

 (funny how it comes back to you so many years later)"


Isn't it sickening that no matter how much time has past those things stay with you?  It has been well over 15 years and I can still remember everything about the place.  I can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday but I can clearly remember the stink of the kitchen, the smell in Nurse Waymeire's office and the well water in the Rez.
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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2005, 10:32:00 AM »
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Isn't it sickening that no matter how much time has past those things stay with you?  It has been well over 15 years and I can still remember everything about the place.  I can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday but I can clearly remember the stink of the kitchen, the smell in Nurse Waymeire's office and the well water in the Rez.  


Believe it or not, the stench is still there!
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« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2005, 10:43:00 PM »
What 4th or 5th Phaser hasn't been Phoner or Runner in a while?
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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-27 06:52:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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  You Can Make It


  Pass It On


 (funny how it comes back to you so many years later)"




Pass it on?  Is there a line in there about Bogarting?   :rofl:




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Hmmmm, we sang "pass it on" in KHK, for open mtg if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2005, 11:19:00 PM »
Yes, we sang "I'm On My Way", "Tangled Up Puppet", "Pass It On", and "You Can Make It" at Open Meetings.
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« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2005, 02:42:00 AM »
It depends when you were in LIFE.
LIFE opened its doors with a small group of people who left STRAIGHT.
LIFE was supposed to be a kinder gentler verson of STRAIGHT,and daily we were reminded of this.
PETERMANN and ROSS and DR NAY were recruiting ex-STRAIGHTS to come to the LIFE Program.
Also,we were subjected to the horrors comitted on us by our oldcommer families,also ex-STRAIGHTS.
While on 1st phase,where I stayed for my ENTIRE program,I had my head bashed against a car door by MIKE ZUPPARDOs father (his sisters husband,his legal parents)because I wanted to speak to my mother after open meeting.I was shoved in to EARL COLLINS (Paving Company)car and sent home with him
and his abusive family.
LIFE was not any easier than STRAIGHT.
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« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2005, 10:04:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-08 23:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It depends when you were in LIFE.

LIFE opened its doors with a small group of people who left STRAIGHT.

LIFE was supposed to be a kinder gentler verson of STRAIGHT,and daily we were reminded of this.

PETERMANN and ROSS and DR NAY were recruiting ex-STRAIGHTS to come to the LIFE Program.

Also,we were subjected to the horrors comitted on us by our oldcommer families,also ex-STRAIGHTS.

While on 1st phase,where I stayed for my ENTIRE program,I had my head bashed against a car door by MIKE ZUPPARDOs father (his sisters husband,his legal parents)because I wanted to speak to my mother after open meeting.I was shoved in to EARL COLLINS (Paving Company)car and sent home with him

and his abusive family.

LIFE was not any easier than STRAIGHT."


  And were you IN Straight?  I believe LIFE was better than Straight, but then again, I never witnessed or experienced any abuse there.
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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2005, 07:34:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-09 19:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-08 23:42:00, Anonymous wrote:


"It depends when you were in LIFE.


LIFE opened its doors with a small group of people who left STRAIGHT.


LIFE was supposed to be a kinder gentler verson of STRAIGHT,and daily we were reminded of this.


PETERMANN and ROSS and DR NAY were recruiting ex-STRAIGHTS to come to the LIFE Program.


Also,we were subjected to the horrors comitted on us by our oldcommer families,also ex-STRAIGHTS.


While on 1st phase,where I stayed for my ENTIRE program,I had my head bashed against a car door by MIKE ZUPPARDOs father (his sisters husband,his legal parents)because I wanted to speak to my mother after open meeting.I was shoved in to EARL COLLINS (Paving Company)car and sent home with him


and his abusive family.


LIFE was not any easier than STRAIGHT."




  And were you IN Straight?  I believe LIFE was better than Straight, but then again, I never witnessed or experienced any abuse there."


I was in LIFE,and some of my friends were in Straight.
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2006, 07:48:00 AM »
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There MAY have been a couple isolated boarder-line "abuse" situations at one or 2 of these programs, but it's a CROCK if you believe this (what these callers said) went on for YEARS and YEARS, daily at these programs.

I was in LIFE and NEVER witnessed what was said here. Most of these callers were TROUBLED teens, with horrible attitudes, arrest records, drop outs from school and their parents emrolled them in HEAVEY, long term treatment. It's not SUMMER CAMP. They were made to think about their attitudes, actions, and wreckless ways. Who wants to do that?!? There were lots of rules, and guidelines to follow. It WAS strict. But these abuse reports are almost laughable. They never completed their treatment/counseling, and now need to BLAME someone/something on their current failures. It's an EASY target.

I graduated the LIFE program, learned how to DEAL with reality instead of get into drugs and trouble, and improved my self-esteem tremendously. I made life-ling friends there, whom I remain friends with today (20 yrs later). I have NO regrets about being there, as it helped me and SO MANY others. I appreciate that my folks didn't sit by and watch me get worse. They cared enough to TO DO something, before it was too late.

I believe many of these "survivors" (I have trouble not laughing at this term) would love to somehow get $ out of all this. It's really sad that this is their plight SO MANY years later.




My response, as posted on http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-ar ... 00506.html



Ginger mentioned that LIFE wasn't as violent as Straight, and I tend to agree.  Many of the abuses that I've heard committed at Straight, I did not witness at LIFE.  However, I did personally witness physical abuse, denial of bathroom priveleges, and denial of privacy.  I personally was forced to sleep with my legs intertwined with my oldcomer - something that comes very close to sexual impropriety.



However, I will ask Sue - and anyone else who cares to answer - how you consider this okay?  How do you consider slapping kids, sitting on them, pulling their hair, forcibly "motiviating" (arm flapping) them, and accusing them (of drug use) without proof - helpful?



Sue, if you gave your kids this "treatment", you'd be up on abuse charges in no time flat, and you know it.  



I don't know what your agenda is.  Most of ours is to simply stop abuse.  What is your problem with that?[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-11-13 19:29 ]"


When I was in L.I.F.E.,in its Grand Opening days,I remember discussion in group by Ex-StPete and Ex-Sarasota Straights about a time when an execuitive staff PUNCHED a kid in the face sending them over rows of chairs.Then Miss Pete would preech about how lucky we were to be in the L.I.F.E. Program rather than Straight,then she would threaten to send us to "the 4 year program in Okeechobe,where our heads would be shaved and we would have to get up at 4:AM every morning and eat grule" if we continued to misbehave.
I dont remember anyone getting punched in the face by an adult at L.I.F.E.(except the time Mike Zuppardo's father bashed my head against the doorframe of his car and throwing me in the parking lot after open meeting because I was crying about missing my family and wanting to go home),but I was physically abused by more than one of my oldcommer fathers.NOBODY had any control or oversight of what was going on in those oldcommer houses.
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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2006, 04:32:00 PM »
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Then Miss Pete would preech about how lucky we were to be in the L.I.F.E. Program rather than Straight,then she would threaten to send us to "the 4 year program in Okeechobe,where our heads would be shaved and we would have to get up at 4:AM every morning and eat grule" if we continued to misbehave.


Oh, well then! Never mind! As long as she was outsourcing the really brutal stuff to, whom, Jack Eckard? Then everything's just fine then, right kiddies?

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2006, 05:19:00 PM »
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Then Miss Pete would preech about how lucky we were to be in the L.I.F.E. Program rather than Straight,then she would threaten to send us to "the 4 year program in Okeechobe,where our heads would be shaved and we would have to get up at 4:AM every morning and eat grule" if we continued to misbehave.




Oh, well then! Never mind! As long as she was outsourcing the really brutal stuff to, whom, Jack Eckard? Then everything's just fine then, right kiddies?"


And Herman Fountain too. When I was there in '87, the big threat to misbehavors was that we would get sent to Mississippi (Bethel), where I had already been once, before I was in LIFE. There, we had our heads damn near shaven, got up at 5 every day, ate grule, and spent all day doing slave labor. We were also beaten with a stick for such trivial things as using the word "crap" instead of "dung", or for not being able to memorize a Bible verse in 5 minutes.

But I guess that pales in comparison to only being  psychogically tortured on a daily basis, and occaisionally being physically tortured. And I guess there's nothing wrong with false imprisonment and kidnapping.

After I finally escaped from LIFE, and they had enough of me (I'm sure my Dad failing to pay his half of the bill had nothing to do with it), Petermann and Company helped organize a kidnapping to take me back to Bethel. Nothing abusive about being thrown in a van and sat on.

Why do I even bother to repeat myself? Am I angry? Yeah. Is that my motivation for posting this shit over and over? Hell no. IT IS STILL GOING ON TODAY. And people like Wendy West, Peggy Kelly, etc. saw/directed this kind of thing. When asked to address the specifics, they just reply with some BS and simply say, "I never saw any abuse".

Fine, if you want to reconnect with old friends (wrong thread, I know). But quit acting like it was a fucking summer camp. I have no problem with people like Mike, who say it was beneficial to them, and will at least admit that there were serious fundemental flaws in the design of the Program. But for people like Wendy to tout themselves as a "Professional", and imply that that somehow shows that she knows how to recognize abuse, therefore, if she says there was no abuse, then there was none... WTF? People like that are at least partly responsible for the success of the other Straights that are still in business, and the whole freaking Teen Gulag industry.

Anyway... I have some code to write, and some corporate paperwork to do. Since my whole shitty life revolves around focussing my hate and bitterness on blaming the Program for the fact that I'm such a loser. Why can't they come up with some new material to avoid the issue with?

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2006, 08:30:00 PM »
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Anyway... I have some code to write, and some corporate paperwork to do. Since my whole shitty life revolves around focussing my hate and bitterness on blaming the Program for the fact that I'm such a loser. Why can't they come up with some new material to avoid the issue with?


Oh my GOD!!!!   :rofl:

Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/13e.htm' target='_new'>John Taylor Gatto

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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2006, 08:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-13 17:30:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

"Oh my GOD!!!!   :eek:  You have a ... LIFE? (Ok, ok, bad pun)


And apparently, according to Heidi, it stands for LIFE Isn't For Everyone.

Hey, another recursive acronym!
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