why these kids are so fucked up

[Anonymous]

Don't get into a debate about schools with these kids.  It's a waste of time. They have no credibility with anyone- they have made sure of that with their circular arguments, generalizations and immature attacks.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-18 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't get into a debate about schools with these kids.  It's a waste of time. They have no credibility with anyone- they have made sure of that with their circular arguments, generalizations and immature attacks."

Sounds like a program parent to me!  :lol:

[Kcmoney05]

do not send you kid to Hidden Lake Academy I know some really good schools you can private message me

[Fake Parent Troll]

On 2005-10-18 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't get into a debate about schools with these kids.  It's a waste of time. They have no credibility with anyone- they have made sure of that with their circular arguments, generalizations and immature attacks."

I couldn't agree more. It's nice to see some like-minded folks hanging around here. I despise every teen I've ever come across, and these posters are no different. As far as I am concerned, they all should be sent to programs. I'd love to have you sign my petition to send every teen to a program. I think we should cut all social program funding, and use that money to susbidize a local WWASP at each public school. We can install a hobbit and isolation area, and maybe get this epidemic of out of control teen syndrome under control. The teen scum needs some Gilcrease seminars. I want to see them cry! :flame:  :flame:

[Antigen]

On 2005-10-18 13:11:00, Kcmoney05 wrote:

"do not send you kid to Hidden Lake Academy I know some really good schools you can private message me

"

Really? Please, feel free to post the names of these schools publicly, along with what's so good about them.

Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

[Anonymous]

Kcmoney: and just what is your Money % for a referral fee?  And PLEASE do not tell me you do this to "help the children! or to HELP FAMILIES HEAL"

LIST THESE FINE PROGRAMS YOU ARE SO PROUD OF...oops that might just cut out your referral $$$ though wouldn't it?

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-18 13:25:00, Antigen wrote:

"

On 2005-10-18 13:11:00, Kcmoney05 wrote:


"do not send you kid to Hidden Lake Academy I know some really good schools you can private message me


"

Really? Please, feel free to post the names of these schools publicly, along with what's so good about them.

Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

"

Antigen -- Anything constructive has to be discussed off line or we would be innundated with garbage.  Even if the program mentions that it has a "structured" curriculum it is considered abusive to some and sounds suspicious to most. Even if a school is working towards a good goal like getting accredited it is viewed as a negative.  There are many good schools, but like they say one bad apple brings them all down.  If someone gave me a list of bad schools I could go to their web site and make a list of some great things they are doing, but that wouldnt be constructive nor would it lay a foundation for any forward thinking discussions.
We need to focus more on the future of the kids and how we can turn some of these schools around thru standards and minimum requirements not by bashing and slinging dirt, its not helping the kids and I think we should hold that up a little higher than we have been around here.
okay I'll step down, I needed that.

[Anonymous]

Swift River can not be placed on the "Good School List."  There are some basic standards that must be met to get on the GOOD LIST:

Accreditation
Certified Teachers
Adult Supervision: NOT supervision by PEERS
Realization that this is a "SCHOOL"--not a FAMILY...these kids already have a family.
Inclusion of all kids in all activities
Licensed by the State

So, sorry! Swift River will not do.

LIST the other schools you know that are "good."

[Anonymous]

Then list the "many good schools" you know about. Why keep us in the dark?

[Anonymous]

Mcmoney what happened to all the coarse, cursing langange you are throwing around on the TROUBLED TEEN INDUSTRY thread under "any counselors out there?"....
You seem to be very angry about something, now don't you?
And you want to refer folks to a "GOOD SCHOOL?"

[Anonymous]

correction: it's HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY; "any counselors out there?"

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-18 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Swift River can not be placed on the "Good School List."  There are some basic standards that must be met to get on the GOOD LIST:



Accreditation

Certified Teachers

Adult Supervision: NOT supervision by PEERS

Realization that this is a "SCHOOL"--not a FAMILY...these kids already have a family.

Inclusion of all kids in all activities

Licensed by the State



So, sorry! Swift River will not do.



LIST the other schools you know that are "good."



"

Sorry I wasnt asking for your blessing, I was telling you that it is a GOOD school, You know nothing about ASR.  You spent 2 minutes reading thier web site!  If you have anything to add that is first hand I will let you vote.

[Anonymous]

SORRY, I do get to vote: because I GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ENROLL MY CHILD THERE.

I VOTE NO!

(And, let's not forget: MY OPINION is not even based on a criminal background check on the people employed at this place. Wonder what that might bring to light?)

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-18 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Swift River can not be placed on the "Good School List."  There are some basic standards that must be met to get on the GOOD LIST:



Accreditation

Certified Teachers

Adult Supervision: NOT supervision by PEERS

Realization that this is a "SCHOOL"--not a FAMILY...these kids already have a family.

Inclusion of all kids in all activities

Licensed by the State



So, sorry! Swift River will not do.



LIST the other schools you know that are "good."



"

I don't agree with your criteria. For instance, if all kids are included in all activities, there is nothing for others to work toward. Motivation is already a problem for most teens. Another problem: Some states don't have licensing. Does that preclude programs in those states doing a good job? And having accreditation and certified teachers: What about all the programs whose students attend public high schools?

I think your post does point up one problem: Because there are so many good ways to approach working with kids, coming up with criteria to apply across the board is tough. Maybe one question could be "Does this program do what it says it does," i.e. if it claims accreditation, it ought to have it.

Another problem that's illustrated by your post is the tendency of most of us to think we can define success for a particular kid or family. No wonder kids are confused.

For a lot of parents, success has been measured in accumulation of goods. The kids show that through their disregard for things like education, personal integrity, a commitment to good health, etc.

It might not hurt here to open your mind to other approaches, and identify things to agree on: basic safety and access to medical care; a good meds policy; close family participation and communication; clear and honest representation of program operations.

At any rate, from my own personal experience, here are some programs I know to be very good:

Spring Creek
Explorations
Montana Academy
Monarch
Mission Mountain


Anyone have some to add?

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-18 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"SORRY, I do get to vote: because I GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ENROLL MY CHILD THERE.



I VOTE NO!



(And, let's not forget: MY OPINION is not even based on a criminal background check on the people employed at this place. Wonder what that might bring to light?)"

***>(And, let's not forget: MY OPINION is not even based on a criminal background check on the people employed at this place. Wonder what that might bring to light?)"***

See thats what I mean, amazing.  So that is what it boils down to.  Slam everyone, rip them apart and justify it because you didnt order a background check on them yet, wow , you must do alot of Apologizing when the reports finally come in.
I did accept your vote because you DO decide whether to send your kid or not, but I crossed it out for that last comment in Parenthesis, its ignorant and shows you make poor decisions.  Sorry