Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-17 11:29:00, corecrash wrote:

"You still have not shared what abuse you endured at Anchor or the other facility. You also have not shared what actions you committed that made your parents believe you should be there.

Are you talking to me or Antigen?

I disillusioned by people that blame everyone else for their problems and will not lift a finger to better themselves.

"

I'm disillusioned by people who send their kids away to be raised by strangers.   :roll:

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

Corecrash, You would not be here posting time after time if you were not concerned about the placement of your son at some basic level. I want you to listen to your gut instincts about WHY you are concerned about your choice about placing your son at Anchor, and listen carefully.
You, and you alone, get to live with that decision down the road. IF your son is being abused, then YOU get to answer to your son about why you placed him there, and WHY you left him there. Read about Roloff Ministries, and Mountain Park. Anchor is a spin-off of these schools, and you can't deny that! Leave your son at Anchor, if you choose. But stop trying to justify your actions.

[corecrash]

I'm disillusioned by people who send their kids away to be raised by strangers.   :roll:

Hmm. Versus letting the court system stick them in a place to let worse off thugs raise them? Dude your logic is interesting. Do you realize that people come out of prison and instiutions with aids, drug problems, sexual problems etc.. ?

You call other people a child abuser but you make it sound as if you would just do nothing and let the child do what he wants? The educated professionals say; however, that if you do not do something with your child, they will do it for you! That's why foster care agencies cannot find enough foster care homes. While we are on the subject, what would you do?

[Anonymous]

You seem to have all the right answers, Corecrash. Why don't you raise your own son the RIGHT WAY instead of sending him off to some abusive facility?

[corecrash]

Ahh..but you are not reading my posts. I told my son that he could stay. His mother told him she wanted him to stay. He wanted to go back. So no I didn't keep him there. He kept himself there.

Actually, the reason I'm here is because my wife directed me here. She works with troubled teens and she reads about troubled teens. Imagine that, her finding this.

On 2006-01-17 11:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Corecrash, You would not be here posting time after time if you were not concerned about the placement of your son at some basic level. I want you to listen to your gut instincts about WHY you are concerned about your choice about placing your son at Anchor, and listen carefully.

You, and you alone, get to live with that decision down the road. IF your son is being abused, then YOU get to answer to your son about why you placed him there, and WHY you left him there. Read about Roloff Ministries, and Mountain Park. Anchor is a spin-off of these schools, and you can't deny that! Leave your son at Anchor, if you choose. But stop trying to justify your actions."

[Anonymous]

Foster kids in Tx are five (5) times more likely to be killed or injured in out-of-home placements. I'd say leave them alone, their chances of safely maturing are 5 times greater at home.

[WWFSMD]

You mean what DID I do?  I have two kids who are thankfully coming out of the teen years now.  Had one kid who did a shitload of Ecstacy, cocaine and a miriade of other drugs, stayed gone from home for days, was completely argumentative and angry to the point where she would pick fights with her sister and then take a baseball bat to her sister's room.

In the first place I always talked honestly with my kids.  I didn't throw a bunch of hype and propoganda about drug use at them.  I didn't freak out when they started to experiment with different substances.  I understood that rebellion and extremely poor decision making are a part of growing up.  A very important part not to be skipped.  Once she started having to answer for her actions she began to grow up and out of the idiotic behavior.  I was really scared for a while but I knew that doing nothing was FAR superior to sending her away somewhere.

Do you realize that people come out of prison and instiutions with aids, drug problems, sexual problems etc.. ?

Dude, do you realize that kids come out of programs far more likely to get in worse trouble than before they went in?  Do you realize that all those things you described above can and do happen in programs?  Speaking as a program vet, I would MUCH rather have been in some kind of juvenile detention than where I was.  At least I would have had some rights in juvy.  My ex-husband has been to prison and was in a program and says HANDS DOWN he was abused far more in the program than in prison.  He was there for about 5 years, the program for a little over 2.

Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce

[corecrash]

Proclaiming my dis-tastes for goverment ran programs, prisons, foster homes is not knowing it all. I know very little. I know that my son can now move on with his life if he chooses too.

On 2006-01-17 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You seem to have all the right answers, Corecrash. Why don't you raise your own son the RIGHT WAY instead of sending him off to some abusive facility?"

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-17 12:13:00, corecrash wrote:

"Ahh..but you are not reading my posts. I told my son that he could stay. His mother told him she wanted him to stay. He wanted to go back. So no I didn't keep him there. He kept himself there.

Yeah, I'm sure he did.  I would have done the same at the time I was in my program.  The fear of what might happen if I didn't would have been enough.  I knew what would happen if I rejected their "lifestyle" in any way.  

Life may have no meaning.  Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0912800909/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Ashleigh Brilliant

[Anonymous]

Corecrash: You have taken away any of this boy's real choices by placing him him this facility. You, yourself, question this placement, and it is evident in your postings. Otherwise, you would have placed him, been confident in your decision, and not be posting here seeking justification for your placement. IF YOU ARE IN FACT A FATHER WHO PLACED HIS SON IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-17 12:17:00, corecrash wrote:

 I know that my son can now move on with his life if he chooses too.

He always could.  You just allowed people to fuck with his mind so it may take him a while to figure things out.  And watch out when he DOES understand exactly what was done to him.  It ain't gonna be pretty.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein

[corecrash]

No, I'm not seeking justification from people who themselves have done time in prison and can't manage their own life.

I posted to give my experience and to execute my small piece of freedom of speech. What I got back was name calling, circular thinking, and not one single shred of evidence, a link to any indication of anchor being what you say it is, or a single person that will profess why their parents put them in Anchor.

On 2006-01-17 12:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Corecrash: You have taken away any of this boy's real choices by placing him him this facility. You, yourself, question this placement, and it is evident in your postings. Otherwise, you would have placed him, been confident in your decision, and not be posting here seeking justification for your placement. IF YOU ARE IN FACT A FATHER WHO PLACED HIS SON IN THE FIRST PLACE."

[WWFSMD]

On 2006-01-17 12:35:00, corecrash wrote:

"No, I'm not seeking justification from people who themselves have done time in prison and can't manage their own life.

Who are you directing that towards?



Did you look into the origins of Anchor?

Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0931580587/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Peter McWilliams

[Anonymous]

Well, I have never been in jail or prision. BUT I have looked into the origins of Anchor Academy; and I have read about Roloff Ministries, and Mountain Park. And Brother Dennis, as you call him: has been associated with both of these abusive facilities--and knowing that: I would never place my child at Anchor Academy.  You also need to read every posting about Anchor Academy here on Fornits. Former Students of Anchor Academy have posted about abuse at this facility. IF you are really concerned about your son's welfare, you will do the work/research yourself.

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-17 12:13:00, corecrash wrote:

Ahh..but you are not reading my posts. I told my son that he could stay. His mother told him she wanted him to stay.

If my father had said that to me when I was on the highest phase of my program, I would have assumed it was a fidelity test--a trick--and lied right to his face.

I don't know as I'll have time to catch up w/ this whole thread. But you asked me why I got sent off. I'll tell you why; because my mother had joined a local cult called the Seed about 10 years prior and had put each of her minor kids in their program.

When I hit puberty, I found out (predictably enough) that she was plotting to do the same to me. So I ran away. I hitchhiked to my sister's home in Massachusetts, hoping that she'd let me stay and get a job and just not tell anybody I was there. But she did, and I didn't have the heart to leave her holding the bag for letting me get away. My dear mother could be extremely ruthless and, well, my sister was a decent person just starting a family. I figured I had less liability than she.

Why my mother thought I needed drug treatment, well that's easy ALL teenagers need the Seed, except those who behave about like Mark David Chappman (who, coincidentally or not, attended the very same, very orthodoxed Presby college up in the hills of Tennessee as my older sister did. Missed each other by only a matter of months, actually)

You can believe me or not, but bear in mind that I'm not some punk kid who's angry w/ her parents. I'm 40 years old. My eldest is 21 now. Trust me on this, we've been through hell and high water. Basically, I paid the ticket, she rode the ride. I wasn't doing anything to get myself locked up, except trying to escape the Seed.

And why? Cause they were strict? Cause I wanted to avoid my problems and just get high? No, none of that. At the age of 16, I got myself to school every day, never skipped or even cut class. I got decent grades, except in algebra (which bedeviled me for 3 years till I finally managed to squeek by) I had had a total of two detentions for clowning around in class, no arrests, no accusations of illegal or antisocial behavior, no fights... nothing. I was just trying to duck and cover and get through the next two years w/o getting brainwashed like my older brothers and sister.

I was TERRIFIED of that! I couldn't articulate it, but there was something very creepy and different about them when they came out the other end. There was this deep sadness and... cowed bearing underlying their blithe, vacant smiles. And they didn't hang around much, either. Sure, they were extremely polite and downright deferent to my mother where they had been yer typical wise assed Irish kids before. But it wasn't respect or affection behind it, it was fear, same as mine. That's why they made themselves scarce. My mom could fit ANYthing into one or more of the "warning signs".

In fact, I just spoke w/ a former Seed staffer a few months back and he confirmed my suspicions. Not only were my parents trying to get me placed there, but they were trying to get my older sister started over as well. For drugs? No. Bad attitude? Not even close. She was too busy working and studying to get into any sort of trouble. It's that they didn't like her boyfriend. Well, I didn't like him either, quite frankly. But you don't club someone over the head and have them brainwashed just because you don't like their choice in friends. Not in the real world, anyway. Only in the TOUGHLOVE hategroup is that sort of thing acceptable.

For whatever reason, the Seed wouldn't take me. I'll never know why. There's not a soul alive anymore who would know and who has more than a nodding acquaintance w/ the truth of the matter. So they kept on looking, just like a hypochondriac (Munchausen by proxy, maybe?) shopping for the "right" doctor. They found Straight, Inc. Might just as easily have found Bethel, as I learned some years later that at least two of my friends got shipped off to the Roloff's for "treatment" not long after I got dissapeared.


So that's my story of how I was held captive and tortured by Republicans for two years. Yeah, I know your story. Not the specific details, but the script is as old as the hills and just as dusty. You started out concerned for your son and took him for evaluation. Through mystical, magical expertise in taming the wild teenager monster, they confirmed your worst fears.

The trouble is, these are no experts and their wild tales of devil worshiping dangerous monsters have about as much veracity as James Frey's million little lies.

You should be allowed to do whatever you want with your own person and property, as long as you don't physically harm the person or property of a nonconsenting other.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0931580587/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Peter McWilliams - Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do