Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.

[Anonymous]

I challenge you to give up whatever it is you have in your life and open a school to help troubled teens. Can you do it better? Do you even care enough to do it? I doubt it.

These programs don't need to exist and the only reason these programs DO exist is to take advantage of the plentiful amount of ignorami such as yourself. You are a cash machine to these people. Real help is out there and intelligent people tend to find it. What does that make you? Nobody here is opening a program because they don't have the proper qualifications/experience/education, and feel it needs to be left to professionals who went to school for this sort of thing... you know, training and education? Only program parents would say something like that. You challenge them, huh? Funny stuff, it really is, and it wouldn't be nearly as funny if you knew why it was funny, which makes it all the better. Normal people care enough about teens to NOT open up a teen boot camp. You were serious though, weren't you? That says it all right there.  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Once again, your logical arguments of attacking me do nothing. Why not engage in logical arguments? You really do sound silly.

You made my point by explaining that NO ONE here is an educated professional. I've worked with the so-called EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS who yell at a kid because he believes in God. You know them, the professionals that put a kid on drugs and collect their 20 dollar co-payment? That's not abusive?

Your argument is not logical on any level because you are ignoring the negative actions of the "Educated professional". My wife is in child protective services and her Educated Professional supervisor lied about certain actions taken on behalf of a 2 year old infant. Because of those lies, the infant died. (Details left out for brevity).

Do you see how I broad brushed the whole educated professional industry by the actions of one person or organization? Of course I believe there are very thoughtful and kind people in the secular organizations just as there are thoughtful kind people in faith based orgs. The opposite holds true in both places as well.

I'll repeat it in every post, now that I'm registered and can't be accused of remaining anonymous; I challenge you to give me the alternative. I also challenge you to give me specific actions of abuse at ANCHOR, not Mountain Park or the other faith-based facilities.

So now that you purged your self of illogical rhetoric then maybe you can educated me. Now is your chance to make an impact on the people you say are being abused.

On 2006-01-17 05:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

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I challenge you to give up whatever it is you have in your life and open a school to help troubled teens. Can you do it better? Do you even care enough to do it? I doubt it.

These programs don't need to exist and the only reason these programs DO exist is to take advantage of the plentiful amount of ignorami such as yourself. You are a cash machine to these people. Real help is out there and intelligent people tend to find it. What does that make you? Nobody here is opening a program because they don't have the proper qualifications/experience/education, and feel it needs to be left to professionals who went to school for this sort of thing... you know, training and education? Only program parents would say something like that. You challenge them, huh? Funny stuff, it really is, and it wouldn't be nearly as funny if you knew why it was funny, which makes it all the better. Normal people care enough about teens to NOT open up a teen boot camp. You were serious though, weren't you? That says it all right there.  :lol: "

[corecrash]

Opps, sorry, this is my registered name.

On 2006-01-17 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Once again, your logical arguments of attacking me do nothing. Why not engage in logical arguments? You really do sound silly.



You made my point by explaining that NO ONE here is an educated professional. I've worked with the so-called EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS who yell at a kid because he believes in God. You know them, the professionals that put a kid on drugs and collect their 20 dollar co-payment? That's not abusive?



Your argument is not logical on any level because you are ignoring the negative actions of the "Educated professional". My wife is in child protective services and her Educated Professional supervisor lied about certain actions taken on behalf of a 2 year old infant. Because of those lies, the infant died. (Details left out for brevity).



Do you see how I broad brushed the whole educated professional industry by the actions of one person or organization? Of course I believe there are very thoughtful and kind people in the secular organizations just as there are thoughtful kind people in faith based orgs. The opposite holds true in both places as well.



I'll repeat it in every post, now that I'm registered and can't be accused of remaining anonymous; I challenge you to give me the alternative. I also challenge you to give me specific actions of abuse at ANCHOR, not Mountain Park or the other faith-based facilities.



So now that you purged your self of illogical rhetoric then maybe you can educated me. Now is your chance to make an impact on the people you say are being abused.

On 2006-01-17 05:55:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

I challenge you to give up whatever it is you have in your life and open a school to help troubled teens. Can you do it better? Do you even care enough to do it? I doubt it.

These programs don't need to exist and the only reason these programs DO exist is to take advantage of the plentiful amount of ignorami such as yourself. You are a cash machine to these people. Real help is out there and intelligent people tend to find it. What does that make you? Nobody here is opening a program because they don't have the proper qualifications/experience/education, and feel it needs to be left to professionals who went to school for this sort of thing... you know, training and education? Only program parents would say something like that. You challenge them, huh? Funny stuff, it really is, and it wouldn't be nearly as funny if you knew why it was funny, which makes it all the better. Normal people care enough about teens to NOT open up a teen boot camp. You were serious though, weren't you? That says it all right there.  :lol: "

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[corecrash]

One girl, and according to you folks, he is in jail.

I find it interesting that you have a huge problem putting a 15 year old boy into a faith based facility that does put very strict rules in place but you will not hesitate to push him into the secular system that by comparison is much worse.

I posted an explanation of my experience with Anchor and the victory of my son. Yes, victory. Anchor is very strict and i talked to my son about it and it was not an easy task for him to go through the program. I posted my experience, which called no one a name, attacked no ones grammar, phrasology, or character. In just a few hours since that post I've been called ignorant, full of crap, the words I choose to express my experience have been made fun of, and the thought of my son murdering my wife was laughed at. I'm sure the girl (no grammar mistake that time) that was forced to have sex will find the banter very comical. Of course no one here is concerned with what she went or is going through!

With that said, do you really expect anyone to believe anything that comes out of your mouth? Do you expect anyone to join your cause?

On 2006-01-17 05:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Doing drugs, raping girls, threatening to murder people is no good for anyone and if they stop doing these things,

Girls? As in plural?



So, how many girls exactly did your son rape, and why is he not in jail?



OR



Are you full of shit?



Which is it?"

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[corecrash]

I'm not grasping for straws when people in this forum over and over attack Christianity by saying, I stop reading after Amen, pass the kook-aide etc. Read the posts. They attack Christianity. Thus, It's obvious they have a problem with Christianity in general.

Just because you have some favorite christians doesn't mean everyone here does not hate Christians and Christianity.

On 2006-01-16 21:05:00, Antigen wrote:

"You're grasping at straws. Some of my favorite people on the planet happen to be Christians. But they don't condone or participate in brainwashing children (or adults, for that matter)

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist

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[WWFSMD]

Yes, you can dislike Christianity without disliking Christians.  Fundies?   Totally different story.  Fundamentalist Christians are complete and total fascist morons trying to force their set of values and beliefs on the rest of the country and now they're gaining a foothold in the Teen Help industry.  That truly frightens me.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
--Anonymous

[Anonymous]

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With that said, do you really expect anyone to believe anything that comes out of your mouth? Do you expect anyone to join your cause? "

::fuckoff::

[corecrash]

How are they "forcing" their views? Can you read your post and say that you are not "forcing" your view on anyone? I can see your point in the context of a boy being sent to a program where he is made to read the bible; however, you are refering to all Fundamentalist christians.

I can't remember a time that I walked into a church and saw the members chained to the chairs with their eyes and ears proped open.

Atheist, in my opinion, are the most verbally vicious people I have ever come across. If they choose not to believe that is their business but the ones I have experience with (maybe not all) will GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to confront a christian. The very word sets them off.

On 2006-01-17 08:17:00, WWFSMD wrote:

"Yes, you can dislike Christianity without disliking Christians.  Fundies?   Totally different story.  Fundamentalist Christians are complete and total fascist morons trying to force their set of values and beliefs on the rest of the country and now they're gaining a foothold in the Teen Help industry.  That truly frightens me.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
--Anonymous

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[Anonymous]

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Atheist, in my opinion, are the most verbally vicious people I have ever come across."

I'd say the same thing about you crazy program people.

[Anonymous]

Please quote where I have been verbally vicious.

On 2006-01-17 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Atheist, in my opinion, are the most verbally vicious people I have ever come across."



I'd say the same thing about you crazy program people. "

[WWFSMD]

You're the one who brought Xtianity into this particular conversation.  Yes, most fundamentalist Xtians I know DO try and force or coerce their views on others.  I also know quite a few Xtians that are completely cool with my atheism.  I've spent days at sea discussing religion with them and both of us have come out the better for it having learned something.

You talk about me lumping all Fundie Xtians together, what did you just do with atheists?  This is the first time I've had an exchange with you and you've already played that card.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry

[corecrash]

:lol: I dont have a cause. My cause is to understand why parents like you send their kids away to these mindfuck factories.. thats my cause. You aint shaming or guilting anyone here, you are a psycho. and guess what, i dont care what you think about me... what a concept. expect to be treated like shit when you post on a survivors board because parents like you paid small fortunes to make sure we got our dose... its time you got yours.  ::fuckoff:: "

LOL, nice argument. I especially like your ending, F Off I think it was? That's a great debating technique. Realy impresses the crowd.

Now the truth begins to come out. You are a survior right? Why did your parents put you in Anchor? What happened to you while you were there? Did you have any responsiblity at all for your trip to Montana?

I suppose it is similar to the people in prison, everyone is innocent. After all, that's why there is no crime in our country.

If you cared and experienced TRUE abuse, you would be dead set on getting that place shutdown. If you can give me proof, I'll help you. If you did experience TRUE abuse and you do not care for the others, then that just makes you selfish. But what do I know? I'm psycho for wanting a better path for my son. Not a perfect path, but a path other than prison.

[Anonymous]

"Realy impresses the crowd. "

yep, you are a psycho.  :lol:

[corecrash]

Played what card? I have atheist friends, I have Buddhist friends. I also have Muslim friends. I can observe and, limited to my experience in my small world, the Atheists I know work harder to prove their point than anyone else.

BTW, You are making a ton of assumptions here. I have not even professed to be a Christian.

The only reason I brought Christianity in this is because Anchor, in some posts, were being attacked for their religous affiliation. Regardless if I'm Atheist, Christian, or Agnostic, it's a bad argument to attack their belief. Attack specific actions.

Let's be real here. Everyone that has a conviction tries to coerce others. I believe Linux is better than Windows and I make that thought known. Force is the wrong word because we are in America. No one is forced. Even if you were chained to a wall, you still can't be forced to believe. That is entirely up to you.

On 2006-01-17 08:57:00, WWFSMD wrote:

"You're the one who brought Xtianity into this particular conversation.  Yes, most fundamentalist Xtians I know DO try and force or coerce their views on others.  I also know quite a few Xtians that are completely cool with my atheism.  I've spent days at sea discussing religion with them and both of us have come out the better for it having learned something.



You talk about me lumping all Fundie Xtians together, what did you just do with atheists?  This is the first time I've had an exchange with you and you've already played that card.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry

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[Anonymous]

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I suppose it is similar to the people in prison, everyone is innocent. "

ya I guess we will never know... they have actual trials and advocacy in the legal system.