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« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2005, 07:42:00 PM »
If you all wanna have some fun, start emailing the power recruiters and tell them about your (fictious) troubled teen who has pushed you to near breaking point.  You will be surprised at how quickly they jump on you ... like a fly on chit ... working that SALES LEAD ... drooling all over themselves with visions of buying that brand new BMW or SUV they've had their eye on since last week.

I can hear it now ...

"I'm not trying to pressure you, but Stepford Kids R Us is one of the best programs out there and right now, they only have room for one more teen ...."

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« Reply #136 on: September 28, 2005, 07:52:00 PM »
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"Nihilanthic- as soon as you enter a thread, I have to leave.  You make me puke.  Goodbye."


Oh but we "wouldn't believe who he is dating"!  

Wonder if he names all of his blowup dolls! Or wait - maybe it is someone online that he has never laid eyes (or anything else!!!) on!
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« Reply #137 on: September 28, 2005, 07:56:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-28 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Nihilanthic- as soon as you enter a thread, I have to leave.  You make me puke.  Goodbye."




Oh but we "wouldn't believe who he is dating"!  



Wonder if he names all of his blowup dolls! Or wait - maybe it is someone online that he has never laid eyes (or anything else!!!) on!

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Okay, enough is enough.  Please stay on topic or take it to PM (private message).  

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« Reply #138 on: September 28, 2005, 08:20:00 PM »
ANON PEOPLE CANT PM! They can also fake identity.. how do I know youre not all the same person.

As far as mr puke, so sorry I call you on the bullshit... whoever you are.

And as far as who I am dating, well, she happens to be with me right now and laughing at all of this  :lol:

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« Reply #139 on: September 28, 2005, 08:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-28 16:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-09-28 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Nihilanthic- as soon as you enter a thread, I have to leave.  You make me puke.  Goodbye."







Oh but we "wouldn't believe who he is dating"!  





Wonder if he names all of his blowup dolls! Or wait - maybe it is someone online that he has never laid eyes (or anything else!!!) on!


"




Okay, enough is enough.  Please stay on topic or take it to PM (private message).  



 ::bangin:: "


Sure, let's take this to PM.  Go on, PM me Baghead!
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« Reply #140 on: September 28, 2005, 08:35:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-28 17:20:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"ANON PEOPLE CANT PM! They can also fake identity.. how do I know youre not all the same person.



As far as mr puke, so sorry I call you on the bullshit... whoever you are.



And as far as who I am dating, well, she happens to be with me right now and laughing at all of this  :lol:

The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
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Virtually with you I'm sure!  Notice you didn't say "sitting right here with me".
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« Reply #141 on: September 28, 2005, 09:05:00 PM »
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Virtually with you I'm sure!  Notice you didn't say "sitting right here with me".  "


You're sure of that, huh?  Are you trying to find out if he's alone?  Trust me... he's not  :wink: [ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-09-28 19:17 ]
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« Reply #142 on: September 28, 2005, 09:29:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-27 10:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here's an idea; how about if the kids start behaving at home and respecting their parents and staying in school and staying off drugs! That way their parents won't have a chance to turn into "strugging parents" and look for schools to put their kids in. Everybody wins. Kids behave. Parents don't have to shell out 100,000 dollars for someone to do their parenting for them. Bad schools don't have a chance to make money off of them. Just imagine the possibilities!"


This comment is not based on reality at all!
any intelligent and sane psychologist will tell you that a childs natural nature is to be selfish. they will further tell you that a child acts to selfishly to protect his/her needs. This is a built in mechanism that children have to get their needs met. If a childs needs are not met they will "act out" to get their needs met.

My disclaimer: I used the word "act out" for lack of a better term. Children can and will play this out in many different ways because they are all different individuals. Tell me something...Do you think or does anyone on here think it appropriate to use a cookie cutter answer for all "selfish" children? My answer is no way. The reason that I say no way is because they are individuals. At the very least children are humans and deserve dignity and respectful treatment as individuals.
thank you
warm regards to real survivors here!
-DP

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« Reply #143 on: September 28, 2005, 10:30:00 PM »
Since when is ANYTHING on this forum based on reality?  It is based on the whining of a bunch of very strange and dysfunctional young adults who seem to not be able to find a life for themselves.
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« Reply #144 on: September 28, 2005, 10:58:00 PM »
Ok then based on you saying that all children are selfish by nature, then why do some kids behave, do well in school and respect their parents and others? Sometimes within the same family group 3 of 4 siblings will follow the rules and 1 won't. Your statement isn't based in reality. It shouldn't be assumed that all children should misbehave, do drugs, skip school, treat their parents and siblings like dirt, and act like the world OWES them something as a rite of passage to adulthood. Yhis shouldnt be accepted behavior. That is not how the world works. There are rules. Rules are to be abided by. People should be treated with respect. Children should do what is asked of them. If children fail to do these things, there are consequences. I am sick of seeing spoiled brats demand things of their parents and throwing temper tantrums when they don't get what they want because the parents wanted to give the children empowerment and control over their own decisions. 5 year olds don't need empowerment. They need structure. They need someone to help them along. Without discipline(not corporal punishment) they turn into what you see in Walmart when they don't get a toy. Parents should be in control, not the children. I love my children more than anything. I show them love every single day. But they know that when I say no, I mean no. Children shouldn't feel as if they run the household. Any parent who allows this is doing their children a huge disservice.
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« Reply #145 on: September 28, 2005, 11:56:00 PM »
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"Ok then based on you saying that all children are selfish by nature, then why do some kids behave, do well in school and respect their parents and others? Sometimes within the same family group 3 of 4 siblings will follow the rules and 1 won't. Your statement isn't based in reality. It shouldn't be assumed that all children should misbehave, do drugs, skip school, treat their parents and siblings like dirt, and act like the world OWES them something as a rite of passage to adulthood. Yhis shouldnt be accepted behavior. That is not how the world
works. There are rules. Rules are to be abided by. People should be treated with respect. Children should do what is asked of them. If children fail to do these things, there are consequences. I am sick of seeing spoiled brats demand things of their parents and throwing temper tantrums when they don't get what they want because the parents wanted to give the children empowerment and control over their own decisions. 5 year olds don't need empowerment. They need structure. They need someone to help them along. Without discipline(not corporal punishment) they turn into what you see in Walmart when they don't get a toy. Parents should be in control, not the children. I love my children more than anything. I show them love every single day. But they know that when I say no, I mean no. Children shouldn't feel as if they run the household. Any parent who allows this is doing their children a huge disservice."


I am not speaking about not giving children the discipline and the structure that they need. I have children of my own and I do discipline them out of my love for them, and I do feel that every parent should, because they do need structure. I agree that children should not run the household also, but I don't agree with this notion because I want or feel the need to control them. I think that if I were soley disciplining my children out of some sick need to control them, then that would just be plain sick. That kind of metality is sick in my humble opinion. As for an out of control teen....I would need to investigate what the root of the problem for that individual child may be and work to find ways to help them and also encourage them to help themselves. The thing I find most troubling with some parents in todays world and with this world in general is that it has gotten so fast paced. This presents a problem for our kids. The reason that this presents a problem for children is that today they are expected to act like little adults on a regular basis.Let me be clear here: I am not talking about "normal" expectations like responsibility, chores, manners etc...I am talking about expecting children to grasp adult concepts and things like that when they just are not at that maturity level yet. This is an unrealistic expectation put on todays children sometimes by adults and also I have seen professionals do it as well. Are ye even aware of how many children are misdiagnosed these days with "mental disorders"( example add/adhd) as a result of an adult just not wanting to take the time to understand a childs need? Way too many!
This is all relative and I will bring this point home to ye here: Many adults in todays society are moving so fast themselves they are falling short on developing childrens emotional IQ's as well as other areas.
Although I do understand that parents get "desperate" as they have told me for help with their "out of control teen", this does not excuse a parent locking their child up in a potentially harmful facility and not taking the time to investigate the place still while they are in the treatment facility. Can ye honestly say that the childs behavior would excuse the parents behavior, or can ye say that the childs bad behavior validates a parent that does not follow up once they are locked up? I would never in a million years give my child over to someone else where I am not allowed to visit them with an open door policy, no matter how "out of control" my child was. I can say this honestly because I love both of my children very much.

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« Reply #146 on: September 28, 2005, 11:58:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-28 19:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since when is ANYTHING on this forum based on reality?  It is based on the whining of a bunch of very strange and dysfunctional young adults who seem to not be able to find a life for themselves."

by the way I have a life and it is very good thank you! Quit assuming that you know anyone here because obviously you do not, but I sure do, and have actually met some good friends here.
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« Reply #147 on: September 29, 2005, 01:01:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-28 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok then based on you saying that all children are selfish by nature, then why do some kids behave, do well in school and respect their parents and others? Sometimes within the same family group 3 of 4 siblings will follow the rules and 1 won't. Your statement isn't based in reality. It shouldn't be assumed that all children should misbehave, do drugs, skip school, treat their parents and siblings like dirt, and act like the world OWES them something as a rite of passage to adulthood. Yhis shouldnt be accepted behavior. That is not how the world works. There are rules. Rules are to be abided by. People should be treated with respect. Children should do what is asked of them. If children fail to do these things, there are consequences. I am sick of seeing spoiled brats demand things of their parents and throwing temper tantrums when they don't get what they want because the parents wanted to give the children empowerment and control over their own decisions. 5 year olds don't need empowerment. They need structure. They need someone to help them along. Without discipline(not corporal punishment) they turn into what you see in Walmart when they don't get a toy. Parents should be in control, not the children. I love my children more than anything. I show them love every single day. But they know that when I say no, I mean no. Children shouldn't feel as if they run the household. Any parent who allows this is doing their children a huge disservice."


That's not what DP was saying, you are over-reacting.  Of course kids need boundaries and structure.  What they don't need is some hyper-controlling TYPE A Parent or Religious Zealot force feeding them a daily regimen of mental, emotional, physical abuse.  You'd be surprised how many abused kids end up in these programs where sadly, the abuse continues but is called a different name:  THERAPY.

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« Reply #148 on: September 29, 2005, 06:46:00 AM »
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Virtually with you I'm sure!  Notice you didn't say "sitting right here with me".  "




You're sure of that, huh?  Are you trying to find out if he's alone?  Trust me... he's not  :wink: [ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-09-28 19:17 ]"


Guess that is suppose to imply you are there with him, huh?  If so, why not just say that?   Just you, him, mommy and the computer - sounds like a real swell time!

Oh but that's right - we've been told he is "distant" from mommy.  Yet at 20, he is still sponging off her and living with her?  Great character statement there!

Oh wait- that's right.  Poor college boy is broke.  You know, there is a cure for that - GET A JOB!  Besides, someone sooo brilliant that they even started college early cause they got "bored" and dropped out to get a GED - well, seems like they would be done already with college.  Hell, I work with a guy that goes to school full-time AND works full-time - and I bet he doesn't even know his IQ!

No wonder it makes that poster want to puke.
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« Reply #149 on: September 29, 2005, 07:21:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-28 16:08:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Way to try to ignore all the relevance and context to focus on one variable!



What a DOCTOR has to say about something that was found to be nothing more than a emotionally and psychologially manipulative experience that reduces ego function (critical thought) and makes the person nothing more than a being of feelings who is compliant to the facilitator, does matter.



Oh, and it matters a lot more than someone who very much seems to be manipulated by it and under its effects!



Damn, context is a bitch, innit?



No,w, all this "contributing something personal" you speak of smells a lot like something Id hear in a LGA, or Rap, or Seminar, or Propheet, or Workshop.. pretty ironic, huh?



And yeah good try calling two doctors liars. Someone whose been manipulated is hardly as reliable as a professional, outside, educated opinion of how it works, and I dont see one person as having more pull than a group of people who went through it a LONG time ago, and have since had time to work through any manipulative effects that they may have encumbered...



And liars dont magically always get their stories straight with remotely spread out collaborators every time, all the time, for 20+ years. The fact that they are spread out, its been so long, and there are so many of them saying the SAME THING speaks a lot of their VALIDITY, not that theyre lying.



Oh, and personally speaking, I think youre a poo-poo head. There, I contributed something personal.




Why does this logic for validity work for you when you talk about the horrors in some behavior modification schools, but does not when you talk about the evidence of God and the life, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ?
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