Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

[TheWho]

Last I checked people had the most (inflation adjusted!) wealth in the 1970s, not now, and the 'moral decline' has been met with.. REDUCED CRIME RATES!!!



Hey, jackass, why not go read the published, freely available facts before you come in spewing utter bullshit, unless you LIKE being bitchslapped.



Yes, indeed, the trolls ARE out in force!

A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec11.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

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Why cant you just listen and accept another pesons opinion and personal experiences?
You didnt enlighten us with you wealth of knowledge.... What caused the decrease in Crime rate?  Could it be teens are more at risk in spite of the crime rate statistics, maybe drugs are relatively cheaper, you can make them at home etc?  Not as much need to rob stores for drug money, maybe.  HIV wasnt a factor in the 1970's, etc, etc, not claiming to know myself (dont follow those stats).  
There is always one guy in the stadium who refuses to cheer for a touch down, but will talk about the bad calls all night.

[Nihilanthic]

It was just stated that there was a 'moral decline', so I state that crime rates have actually gone down.

So now you state "teens are more at risk despite the crime rate statistics... because drugs are cheaper and can be made at home".

Ok, wow, way to make up a bunch of crap with nothing to support it and fearmonger about this imaginary drug pandemic! Drugs are EVERYWHERE, cheaper, and can be made at home, thus thats why the crime rate is down... because of the moral decline, right?

Oh and HIV is only a threat... if people dont have sexual education. If you KNOW to use protection, get tested, and make your partners use protection and have safe/safer sex, guess what? Its pretty freaking unlikely. The BIGGEST dangers to teens, being accidents, are generally... overlooked?

So yeah, whats your point? Society is not as it should be, theres too much busyness and not enough sociality and community, and there is (at least in some areas) a lack of actual education and safety awareness for the biggest problems of all, but those arent as scary as 'drugs' and 'gangs' and 'crime', even though far more people die to car crashes than drugs or HIV right now.

Why not more action taken in driving schools and standards for car safety? What about other common accidents and health issues like, say, obesity or stress and anxiety from school?

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

[Anonymous]

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Why cant you just listen and accept another pesons opinion and personal experiences?

You didnt enlighten us with you wealth of knowledge.... What caused the decrease in Crime rate?  Could it be teens are more at risk in spite of the crime rate statistics, maybe drugs are relatively cheaper, you can make them at home etc?  Not as much need to rob stores for drug money, maybe.  HIV wasnt a factor in the 1970's, etc, etc, not claiming to know myself (dont follow those stats).  

There is always one guy in the stadium who refuses to cheer for a touch down, but will talk about the bad calls all night."
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Oh I'll take a stab!  Sure, it is dime-store psychology, but what the hell!

He is an anger, confused young person who mistakes swearing and spewing what he claims to be "facts" as a substitute for real life experience and true intelligence.  He parrots facts, throws in sarcasm and attacks, and passes it off as passionate outrage.

My guess would be that he is abnormally close to his mother, has had trouble forming real life friends, and feels persecuted.  People are against him not because of HIS actions, but because of others.  Everything is a conspiracy against him.

If tested, he probably would probably have a high IQ (if you believe there is any relevance in that), but probably had a difficult time in school.  Again, probably the fault of others.

This is rather fun!  Of course, we will never know how close the description is - - - would be interesting to know.

[Nihilanthic]

Not only did you totally fuck up the quotes, but youre wrong.

Lesse, Im going by what actual PHD's have had to say about it, and personal accounts of those who have been through it and had the distance to think of it, not people defending their actions as a parent or a child who just came out.

I AM actually outraged.

Im actually very distant from my mom, have a great time making friends and actually Im rather charismatic and friendly.

No, everything isnt a conspiracy, just the moon landing.

And, FYI, my IQ is over 140. I did great in school, until I got bored and dropped out to get my GED to get into college sooner because I was bored and my patience wore thin. Oh, and I kept the network running because the guy who was supposed to flaked out all the time, and did retarded shit like set the BIOS on the server to require someone to push a button to turn it on after power was disrupted... having it boot itself when it gets power is much more logical when its in a LOCKED CLOSET that I had to jimmy to get at when he disappeared for a few weeks... and dont even get me started about the rats nest of Cat5.

P.S. - arent we getting off topic trying to engage me in ad-hominem bullshit instead of defending your point and answering my own?  :wink:

What is this new loyalty? It is, above all, conformity. It is the uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of America as it is. It rejects inquiry into the race question or socialized medicine or public housing, regards as heinous any challenge to what is called the system of private enterprise, identifying that system with Americanism. It abandons evolution, repudiates the once popular concept of progress, and regards America as a finished product, perfect and complete. The concept of loyalty as conformity is a false one. It is narrow and restrictive, denies freedom of thought and conscience... What do men know of loyalty who make a mockery of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/commager.html' target='_new'>Henry Steele Commager, 1947

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-28 15:40:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Not only did you totally fuck up the quotes, but youre wrong.



Lesse, Im going by what actual PHD's have had to say about it, and personal accounts of those who have been through it and had the distance to think of it, not people defending their actions as a parent or a child who just came out.



I AM actually outraged.



Im actually very distant from my mom, have a great time making friends and actually Im rather charismatic and friendly.



No, everything isnt a conspiracy, just the moon landing.



And, FYI, my IQ is over 140. I did great in school, until I got bored and dropped out to get my GED to get into college sooner because I was bored and my patience wore thin. Oh, and I kept the network running because the guy who was supposed to flaked out all the time, and did retarded shit like set the BIOS on the server to require someone to push a button to turn it on after power was disrupted... having it boot itself when it gets power is much more logical when its in a LOCKED CLOSET that I had to jimmy to get at when he disappeared for a few weeks... and dont even get me started about the rats nest of Cat5.



P.S. - arent we getting off topic trying to engage me in ad-hominem bullshit instead of defending your point and answering my own?  :wink:

What is this new loyalty? It is, above all, conformity. It is the uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of America as it is. It rejects inquiry into the race question or socialized medicine or public housing, regards as heinous any challenge to what is called the system of private enterprise, identifying that system with Americanism. It abandons evolution, repudiates the once popular concept of progress, and regards America as a finished product, perfect and complete. The concept of loyalty as conformity is a false one. It is narrow and restrictive, denies freedom of thought and conscience... What do men know of loyalty who make a mockery of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/commager.html' target='_new'>Henry Steele Commager, 1947

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Funny - your response just seemed to prove a lot of my guesses!  

I'm sure you are working your way thru a top shelf college, taking a double load, on the dean's list, dating the head cheerleader AND don't live with mommy.  Yawn - time for bed after that fairy tale.

And no - - I'm not trying to engage you in "ad-hominem bullshit" (my my we have learned a phrase we think is impressive, have we?).  I have no point to prove.  Like I said - I was just engaging in dime-store psychology.  And I must say, your reaction was fairly predictable!

But enough fun - time to trip the light fantastic!

[Anonymous]

Look, it's simple really.  Parents who send their kids to a program are in 2 categories:  Those who are glad they did it and those who wish they had not done it.

What's getting lost in the sauce are the teens, themselves.  The true VICTIMS of Behavior Modification, American style.

When they speak, I sit up and listen because I don't really care what the parent has to say, I've heard it all before.

To be sure, more parents are tricked (duped) into sending their children away than we (or even they) know.  It's a viable excuse ... but it doesn't change the fact that their child paid the ultimate price for their ignorance and/or vulnerability.

Being stuck in a program for months, even years, is no cake walk.  It's a disgrace. It's traumatizing.  It's a living nightmare.

Yes, shame on the parents who abandon their children to the care and custody of others for no better reason than they can afford to park their kid out-of-state (out-of-mind) until the age of 18.  You all know there are parents doing this ... so let's not dance around the issue anymore.

Kudos to the parents who upon realizing they made a mistake, pull their kids and bring them home.  These parents are few and far between but they do exist ... and some in fact, are helping other parents to avoid the same mistake they made.

Remember,there are no safe guards to protect children from being "medicalized", "demonized", "criminalized" as the answer to conflict in the home, school or community.

Hell, most kids don't even get a second opinion from an independent (meaning one who does NOT work for the institutionalized-style program) before being yanked out of their bed and dragged off into the night to some for-profit teen help program.

It's outrageous and it needs to stop. This isn't about taking away parents' rights ... it's about deciding where a parent's rights end and a child's begin.

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-28 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Look, it's simple really.  Parents who send their kids to a program are in 2 categories:  Those who are glad they did it and those who wish they had not done it.



What's getting lost in the sauce are the teens, themselves.  The true VICTIMS of Behavior Modification, American style.



When they speak, I sit up and listen because I don't really care what the parent has to say, I've heard it all before.



To be sure, more parents are tricked (duped) into sending their children away than we (or even they) know.  It's a viable excuse ... but it doesn't change the fact that their child paid the ultimate price for their ignorance and/or vulnerability.



Being stuck in a program for months, even years, is no cake walk.  It's a disgrace. It's traumatizing.  It's a living nightmare.



Yes, shame on the parents who abandon their children to the care and custody of others for no better reason than they can afford to park their kid out-of-state (out-of-mind) until the age of 18.  You all know there are parents doing this ... so let's not dance around the issue anymore.



Kudos to the parents who upon realizing they made a mistake, pull their kids and bring them home.  These parents are few and far between but they do exist ... and some in fact, are helping other parents to avoid the same mistake they made.



Remember,there are no safe guards to protect children from being "medicalized", "demonized", "criminalized" as the answer to conflict in the home, school or community.



Hell, most kids don't even get a second opinion from an independent behavioral healthcare specialist (meaning one who does NOT work for the institutionalized-style program) before being yanked out of their bed and dragged off into the night to some for-profit teen help program.



It's outrageous and it needs to stop. This isn't about taking away parents' rights ... it's about deciding where a parent's rights end and a child's begin.



 :smokin:











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Edited for typo (see bold face type)

[Nihilanthic]

Funny - your response just seemed to prove a lot of my guesses!  



I'm sure you are working your way thru a top shelf college, taking a double load, on the dean's list, dating the head cheerleader AND don't live with mommy.  Yawn - time for bed after that fairy tale.



And no - - I'm not trying to engage you in "ad-hominem bullshit" (my my we have learned a phrase we think is impressive, have we?).  I have no point to prove.  Like I said - I was just engaging in dime-store psychology.  And I must say, your reaction was fairly predictable!



But enough fun - time to trip the light fantastic!



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You want a cookie because I felt like biting and playing along? lol.

And... uh, no Im not. Im living at home to save money after I bailed my parents out in 2003, Im working and going to school part time, I dont give a rats ass about the deans list - you wouldnt BELIEVE who Im dating BTW - , and yeah.... Im 'with mommy' as you so eloquently put it. Oh and I go to a technical college cos my family is... broke. So sorry your polar extreme didnt work out in the real world!

Im very glad you have no point to prove because the only thing you got right is how smart I am  :lol: Dime store psychology and acting like Im predictable for playing along... I guess I should hold a seance to see if they will wear sneakers and bounce a orange ball during a basketball game?

I played along to show how wrong you are with your assumptions... but yes, heres a cookie. Even a clock thats broke is right at least twice a day.

People everywhere enjoy believing things that they know are not true. It spares them the ordeal of thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for what they know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000051WYJ/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> BROOKS ATKINSON (1894-1984), Once Around The Sun, 1951.

[TheWho]

On 2005-09-28 15:40:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


Lesse, Im going by what actual PHD's have had to say about it

Nothing personal but you are not contributing anything personal. "Actual PHD's" vs what?  People without them, people who pretend to have them.  You talk about rates, statistics and facts but bring nothing to the table.

Your right we are off the track.......
Okay back to where we started which is one person sharing there personal experiences which goes against what people(with actual PHD's) have told you.  So maybe they lied to you

[Nihilanthic]

Way to try to ignore all the relevance and context to focus on one variable!

What a DOCTOR has to say about something that was found to be nothing more than a emotionally and psychologially manipulative experience that reduces ego function (critical thought) and makes the person nothing more than a being of feelings who is compliant to the facilitator, does matter.

Oh, and it matters a lot more than someone who very much seems to be manipulated by it and under its effects!

Damn, context is a bitch, innit?

No,w, all this "contributing something personal" you speak of smells a lot like something Id hear in a LGA, or Rap, or Seminar, or Propheet, or Workshop.. pretty ironic, huh?

And yeah good try calling two doctors liars. Someone whose been manipulated is hardly as reliable as a professional, outside, educated opinion of how it works, and I dont see one person as having more pull than a group of people who went through it a LONG time ago, and have since had time to work through any manipulative effects that they may have encumbered...

And liars dont magically always get their stories straight with remotely spread out collaborators every time, all the time, for 20+ years. The fact that they are spread out, its been so long, and there are so many of them saying the SAME THING speaks a lot of their VALIDITY, not that theyre lying.

Oh, and personally speaking, I think youre a poo-poo head. There, I contributed something personal.

Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By  any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.
http://www.masscann.org/quotes.htm' target='_new'>Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young,  DOJ/DEA

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-28 15:58:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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Funny - your response just seemed to prove a lot of my guesses!  





I'm sure you are working your way thru a top shelf college, taking a double load, on the dean's list, dating the head cheerleader AND don't live with mommy.  Yawn - time for bed after that fairy tale.





And no - - I'm not trying to engage you in "ad-hominem bullshit" (my my we have learned a phrase we think is impressive, have we?).  I have no point to prove.  Like I said - I was just engaging in dime-store psychology.  And I must say, your reaction was fairly predictable!





But enough fun - time to trip the light fantastic!





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You want a cookie because I felt like biting and playing along? lol.



And... uh, no Im not. Im living at home to save money after I bailed my parents out in 2003, Im working and going to school part time, I dont give a rats ass about the deans list - you wouldnt BELIEVE who Im dating BTW - , and yeah.... Im 'with mommy' as you so eloquently put it. Oh and I go to a technical college cos my family is... broke. So sorry your polar extreme didnt work out in the real world!



Im very glad you have no point to prove because the only thing you got right is how smart I am  :lol: Dime store psychology and acting like Im predictable for playing along... I guess I should hold a seance to see if they will wear sneakers and bounce a orange ball during a basketball game?



I played along to show how wrong you are with your assumptions... but yes, heres a cookie. Even a clock thats broke is right at least twice a day.

People everywhere enjoy believing things that they know are not true. It spares them the ordeal of thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for what they know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000051WYJ/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> BROOKS ATKINSON (1894-1984), Once Around The Sun, 1951.

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How wrong I am?? HAHAHAHA  Sounds like I was spot on!

Oh and keep your cookie and have it with a glass of milk for your bedtime snack when mommy tucks you in so you can continue in your fantasy world.

And like I said - enough.  You are so predictable - and rather sad in that predictability - that it isn't really worth it.

Ta ta and tally ho  

[BTW - the "polar extreme" was sarcasm silly!  I'm surprised someone of your high IQ and advanced training and education would have recognized that!]

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-28 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

Remember,there are no safe guards to protect children from being "medicalized", "demonized", "criminalized" as the answer to conflict in the home, school or community.


Hell, most kids don't even get a second opinion from an independent behavioral healthcare specialist (meaning one who does NOTwork for the institutionalized-style program) before being yanked out of their bed and dragged off into the night to some for-profit teen help program.


It's outrageous and it needs to stop. This isn't about taking away parents' rights ... it's about deciding where a parent's rights end and a child's begin.



 :smokin:
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Like the Power EBAY Sellers, there are program referral agents who sell "troubled teens" by the dozens into programs who pay them finder's fees worth thousands of dollars.

Not to worry, this sleezy, despictable practice is at the top of the TEEN HELP INDUSTRY REFORM LIST ... much to the chagrin of the greedy profiteers who make their living recruiting children on the Internet vis a vis their own websites or harvesting SALES leads from discussion boards like Struggling Teens.

:wave:

[TheWho]

On 2005-09-28 16:08:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


Oh, and personally speaking, I think youre a poo-poo head. There, I contributed something personal.

Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By  any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.
http://www.masscann.org/quotes.htm' target='_new'>Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young,  DOJ/DEA

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Thank you ,just what I thought you had to contribute.

[Nihilanthic]

Yeah, spot on because I proved you wrong but in HOW I did it you predicted (but didnt say before so theres no way to know you did)... riiight.

BTW, Im distant from my mom, how many times have I said that?

HEre, take your dime back to go buy yourself a cookie  :silly:

Patient memoirs are a kind of protest literature like slave narratives or witness testimonies.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=G.A.Hornstein&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web' target='_new'>G.A.Hornstein

[Anonymous]

Nihilanthic- as soon as you enter a thread, I have to leave.  You make me puke.  Goodbye.