Well, Shady, I didn't post that about WN still reading. So I don't know. Maybe it's a friend who knew. Maybe just a good guess. Either way.
Noodle, I happen to know who the anon is that you've been primarily arguing with. To say that he's against recovery is laughable. I wish I could let you in on that, but it's prettty much private info. And now the anon over on the I Just thread will likely take that to mean that he's a closet stepper or something. According to him, you see, this site is all about promoting the Semblers and Straight by making us all look like a bunch of stoners. Other's think I should delete all the Elan trolls, cause if I don't then this site is all about raceism. Still others wish I'd ban all the program proponants and edcons, otherwise this site is just another recruiting venue for the programs.
You see where this is going? Nobody every said go be a junkie. Nobody I know of around here is really against anyone w/ a real problem w/ drugs (or otherwise) getting a handle on things. All the criticizm was against the
12-step cult.
Personally, I don't have a big problem w/ people voluntarily meeting up to worship anything from the Big Book to Ekanar(sp?) to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do, however, have some very serious problems w/ stepcraft as it actually exists today. To say that Str8 has or had nothing to do w/ stepcraft is just... astounding!
I know one person through a friend who was court ordered into Teen Challenge and another, one of my daughter's friends, who's debating whether to go or face a couple of years in county prison. So who's Teen Challenge? His cousin went to their facility in Oakland over a year ago and now she doesn't want to come back. She's trying to get her grandma to pitch for another year of "treatment". According to the one guy (a Str8 grad around our age) it's pretty much the same as it ever was. Took him a good year or so after graduation to start shaking it off.
According to Heal-online.org:
Alabama Teen Challenge in Oxford (& cities of Bay Minette, Warrior, ), AL is highly suspected of being a teen torture facility. Teen Challenge is the only group of programs endorsed by the Drug Free America Foundation (DFAF). DFAF was founded by Mel Sembler, former owner and director of Straight, Inc. a confirmedly torturous group of institutions for teens. Straight, Inc. was endorsed by former US presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. In George W. Bush?s first term (2000-2004) he appointed Mel Sembler as US ambassador to Italy. George W. Bush instituted the ?New Freedom Commission? in 2000. The ?New Freedom Commission? is a group of psychiatrists and pharmaceutical lobbyists working to insure that every child in America is drugged and virtually enslaved through behavior modification. Please do not sent your child to any Teen Challenge program. If you were abused or had your rights violated by Teen Challenge, please contact us and we will post your story here as a warning to others. To view confirmed statements regarding abuse at other Teen Challenge programs, click here. To read about Straight, Inc. and the Semblers, please click here.
Evidently, the goose stepping altruistic tyrants are every actively and very directly using force of law to compell indictrination in Str8 under new names; now with increased government funding.
THAT is what I vehemently oppose. It doesn't matter how hard you and Shady or anyone else insists that's not happeneing or that you dissapprove. It's happening. And you're insistance to the contrary is just the same as any Str8ling's insistance that no abuse ever occured in the Program. So it does tend to get under my skin just a tad.
You're not the only one who was a pain in the ass kid. And you're not the only punk kid who ever pulled their shit together. If you look around, you'll find that more people pull their shit together w/o stepcraft than with it. If you've been off drugs for 17 years, but telling yourself every day that you've an addict, well that's just tragic.
You said: "I am in therapy right now for the way that I am in my interpersonal relationships. It has come up that maybe my ability to relate to other people in relationships was shaped by my time in Str8... (fear of abandonement, wanting to always share my feelings, etc)."
I can't dissagree w/ that. Often times these discussions remind me of a day in group. Basically, we really are all a lot of assholes. But you don't have to agree w/ me or anyone else to maintain status or belongership. I think anyone who agrees w/ everyone who hangs out here would be, by definition, mentally ill. How can you agree w/ a bunch of people who don't even agree w/ each other?
...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races.
http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm' target='_new'>Harry Anslinger
